Clawhammer core 3200+

[acegazda]

I found a clawhammer 3200+ s939 @tigerdirect for $70. I didn't know they made a 3200+ with a clawhammer. How does it fare against the vence core and the manchester core? Is this a good deal?

 

[Maximilian]

Its the oldest core on the A64 line, the only older core than clawhammer is sledgehammer and its for opterons only. It has 1mb cache, but venices are still better and overclock better. Cant really vouch for the 939 clawhammer, but its socket 754 counterpart was a dog of an overclocker.

 

[fbrdphreak]

IIRC Clawhammer was 130nm. Just because it has more cache doesn't make it worth it. I'd get a 90nm Venice and just up the clock a little. Extra cache does very little and does not outweigh the extra heat & voltage required with 130nm.

 

[broly8877]

Manchester = Dual core, destroys CH/Venice

Venice = Better than 130nm cores, lower power consumption, and added instruction sets (SS3)

 

[acegazda]

srry i think i meant winchester, not manchester... that's the single core one. So that's not a good deal? I don't really have a problem with spending $90 for a chip that I can overclock to an FX.

 

[BassBomb]

venice > winchester > clawhammer
SSE3 90nm (lower voltage too?) > 90nm > 130nm 1mb cache

 

[Maximilian]

Well if you can get any other core for the same price get the other core. Dont get me wrong, clawhammer is still an A64 at heart its a good core and will perform basically the same as a venice at similar clockspeeds. The difference is in temps voltages, updated memory controller and of course overclockability.

I have two sledgehammer 1.6ghz optys and they run great, they have the sledgehammer core which is clawhammer for opterons, with no cool & quiet.

 

[saabman]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
venice > winchester > clawhammer
SSE3 90nm (lower voltage too?) > 90nm > 130nm 1mb cache

So where does 130nm Newcastle fit into this progression?

How can you tell the difference between a Newcastle and Clawhammer?

Is it the difference between the D0 (Newcastle?) and CG (Clawhammer?) stepping? Or do I have this backwards?

I thought there was also a third stepping for the 130nm dies, but I can't remember what it was.

 

[broly8877]

SledgeHammer? That was the old Opteron core, CPUz often read some 130nm desktop chips as sledgehammer though. EDIT: Oh stepping, C0/CG
And I believe CG was considered the best overclocking stepping (could be mistaken here). My 754 3000+ CG reached 2.45GHz stock voltage.

First desktop generation (130nm):
Clawhammer (1MB L2) > Newcastle (512KB L2)

90nm transition:
San Diego (1MB L2, SSE3) > Venice (512KB L2, SSE3) > Winchester (512KB L2 / Older core)

Dual core:
Toledo (1MBx2 L2) > Manchester (512KBx2 L2)

DualCore > 90nm single core > 130nm