Clawhammer (754) vs Winchester (939)

Dough1397

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ok.... the 3200+ comes in a few flavours... what would be better tho?

the obvious differences are (clawhammer / winchester)
processing techonolgy (130nm / 90 nm)
l2 cache (1mb / 512kb)
platform (754 / 939)
dual channel support (no / yes)

which would overclock better?
which would perform better at stock? (i am thinink the clawhammer due to its 1mb cache but i could be wrong?)
 

aznxk3vi17

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The Clawhammer. Yes, the cache helps a bunch, but keep in mind the latency issues that comes with dual channel. The benefits of dual channel are currently a maybe, 5-7% increase in performance. That, and 754s seem to overclock better, or at least perform better at identical clock speeds.
 

n7

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There is also a NewCastle 3200+ (socket 754 - 2.2 GHz - 512KB L2 cache).

The NewCastle would likely outperform the Winchester due to the 200MHz advantage, but the Winchesters overclock far better.

That, & the 939 platform has a future, whereas the 754 does not.

Unless money is extremely tight, & you had to go with an A64 2800+ s754, 939 Winchesters would be the way to go for sure.
 

MarkM

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Originally posted by: n7
There is also a NewCastle 3200+ (socket 754 - 2.2 GHz - 512KB L2 cache).

The NewCastle would likely outperform the Winchester due to the 200MHz advantage, but the Winchesters overclock far better.

That, & the 939 platform has a future, whereas the 754 does not.

Unless money is extremely tight, & you had to go with an A64 2800+ s754, 939 Winchesters would be the way to go for sure.
You know, there is a heck of a lot of confusion on this point, people keep getting wrapped up in PR ratings or memory channel counts, and ignore much more fundamental things. The main thing to look at is price/performance. And the reality of that is that you can buy a 754 newcastle 3400+ for $192 oem right now, while you'd pay more than that for a 939 winchester 3200+. Factor in that the generally accepted 939 winchester advantage over the 754 newcastle is around 5% at the same clock, then factor in that the 754 3400+'s clock is 2.4ghz vs. 2.0 ghz for the 939 winchester 3200+ (20% faster), then what you end up with is that the winchesters BETTER clock faster, because you are going to have to overclock one 10-15% just to get to where you are starting with the same money with the 754 newcastle!

This "has a future" mantra is sounding quite pat, people read it enough and they just accept it as fact. If you are buying a new graphcis card at the same time, then yes probably go 939 just becasue you are going to want to leaver your futuere options open & get PCI-E too, and PCI-E will be a lot easier to find with the 939 socket. But if you are not, and are sticking with AGP ... be honest with yourself, you are going to upgrade that mb whenever you update the CPU anyway, so the "future" won't include your next processor OR mb OR graphics card anyway, so don't pay today for a "future" that never comes! To be perfectly honest, I think the electiricty savings for a 939 90nm over a 754 130nm may be a more compelling motiviation than "plannng for the future" if you are getting an AGP board anyway.

 

aznxk3vi17

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Exactly. I myself had just last summer bought a brand new Geforce 6800 GT (quite an investment). Seeing as to how I can't just throw away $400+ after using it for less than a year, there was no way I'd be moving on to PCI-E this quickly. That, and it's not even that hot yet. So, might as well go 754. Cheaper, more effective, and cheaper.
 

Dough1397

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lol i have no intention of buying anythign right now... just wondering, i like to be informed....