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Clarke: Clinton worried about al-Qaida

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/...lug=Sept%2011%20Clarke
WASHINGTON -- The Clinton administration was deeply concerned in 2000 that al-Qaida sleeper cells existed in North America and considered ways to move against them, according to newly released testimony.

"There were two simultaneous plots, one in Jordan and one in the United States, and they both involved American citizens," Bush administration critic Richard Clarke testified in June 2002 before a congressional inquiry into the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The plots were of high enough interest that Republican Sen. Richard Shelby, the former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, requested a briefing.

"The conclusion was that we should ... beef up the counterterrorism task force around the country," said Clarke, whose testimony about the briefing of Shelby in February 2000 was partially blacked out because of national security concerns.

The release of Clarke's 2002 testimony stems from Republican attempts to undermine his criticism of the Bush administration.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said Clarke's recently declassified testimony from 2002 is effusive in its praise of the Bush administration's efforts targeting al-Qaida before the Sept. 11 attacks.

The declassified version neither criticizes nor strongly praises the Bush administration. It focuses instead primarily on the Clinton administration.


"I believed it was important to recognize that Mr. Clarke's character was unfairly attacked for political purposes," said Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., who worked with the Senate Intelligence Committee to have the testimony released. "A detailed review shows that his testimony is not inconsistent with his testimony before the 9/11 Commission."

In his 2002 testimony, Clarke did defend the Bush administration's delay in acting on two CIA memoranda aimed at al-Qaida and its Taliban supporters in Afghanistan.

He said the two documents drafted in late 2000 were to be finalized as part of a plan to finance a full-bore campaign to destroy al-Qaida. The president signed the documents six days after the Sept. 11 attacks.

"What had not been determined in early September of 2001 was how much money to give to the implementation ... and where that money would come from and in what fiscal year," Clarke said.

Clarke testified:

-The intelligence in 2000 about the two plots "was an eye-opening thing for those of us informed and we began to think that just because you are an American citizen doesn't mean you shouldn't be subject to some scrutiny if you show up having connections to these people."

-In the Clinton years, "there were people in the administration who were very seized with this issue, beginning with the president. ... It is very rare in my experience when the president of the United States picks an issue after his administration has begun, because the world has changed, and says, this is a priority, guys. ... If 9/11 hadn't happened, I think historians could go back and look at what the Clinton administration did ... and say, 'boy, were those guys overreacting.'" Clarke's qualified praise for the Clinton administration mirrors his more recent testimony to the Sept. 11 panel and the account he gave in his book, "Against All Enemies."

-Other governments helped break up terrorist cells in 20 to 25 countries during the Clinton administration. "I would say that hundreds of people were arrested and detained either by a host country where cells were broken up."

-One of Clarke's nightmares was that the CIA would have been ordered, over internal protests, to use an unmanned, armed aircraft known as a Predator to kill bin Laden. Clarke backed such an operation, but feared his opponents would say: "Look what Clarke did. He assassinated bin Laden and in retaliation for that they blew up the World Trade Center."

-Government officials knew, beginning in 1997, that if they "decapitated al-Qaida, that it would grow other heads." Officials had to be ready to accept the negative criticism for killing bin Laden and then having al-Qaida terrorism continue
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And, what did Rice do when she entered the White House? Sent Clarke off to eat at the kids' table and focused on Cold War strategy.

And now that incompetent buffoon will be our Secretary of State.


Mind-boggling....
 
Some of those conservatives, neo-cons and radical rights, underestimated Clinton based upon their political suppressions.

Remember, it was those same Republicans that tried to cut Clinton's balls off (forcing military budget cuts) in the first place. Probably the SAME hypocrites that helped changed the rules for Tom DeLay yesterday so that he can serve while even indicted for a felony.

And these are the people you 51% of voters turned to on November 2nd? Don't come cryin' to the rest of us! Ignorance (and hypocrisy is no excuse!).
 
Clinton's persecution was only to prove to the radical right that they are willing to stand up for moral values. The whole thing, in retrospect was nothing more than pandering to thieir desired base "christian value holding america". This presidential election proved it. I would expect this pandering to continue until the deomcrats can form a solid responce to it and until they do I would expect more democrat losses. You can also bet the democrats will continue to move more to the right because they are trying to play catchup to the republicans. Problem is this is what the republicans want them to do vacate their base and keep the democrats playing follow the popular ideological leader while they widdle the democrats down to nothing.
 
Mind-boggling....


It really is, and from the same crowd that has been using "Making America Safer" as a political slogan no less. I wish I could send the whole crew off to a federal stockade clapped in irons. The pugs make quips about dems putting their political careers ahead of the wellbeing of the country, yet that is precisely what we gotten from these goddamn neocons. It's disgusting.

 
Yea Clinton worried about Al Queda all right. I listened to one of his close aids on the radio this year with Sam Donnellson. The aid stated that he sat on chance to capture Bin Laden for 2 hours. There was a two-hour window where military intelligence had Bin Laden pin pointed. The aid pleaded with Clinton to make a decision in the time frame. Clinton sat there and did nothing while the aid was on the phone with military officials.

Yea he cared all right.
 
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Yea Clinton worried about Al Queda all right. I listened to one of his close aids on the radio this year with Sam Donnellson. The aid stated that he sat on chance to capture Bin Laden for 2 hours. There was a two-hour window where military intelligence had Bin Laden pin pointed. The aid pleaded with Clinton to make a decision in the time frame. Clinton sat there and did nothing while the aid was on the phone with military officials.

Yea he cared all right.

yup, military intelligence Located Bin Laden hiding in a weapons grade aluminum tube eating some yellow cake so we know they must have been 110% acurate in their analysis of the situation.
 
Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Yea Clinton worried about Al Queda all right. I listened to one of his close aids on the radio this year with Sam Donnellson. The aid stated that he sat on chance to capture Bin Laden for 2 hours. There was a two-hour window where military intelligence had Bin Laden pin pointed. The aid pleaded with Clinton to make a decision in the time frame. Clinton sat there and did nothing while the aid was on the phone with military officials.

Yea he cared all right.

yup, military intelligence Located Bin Laden hiding in a weapons grade aluminum tube eating some yellow cake so we know they must have been 110% acurate in their analysis of the situation.

Yep, that refutes it. lol
 
Well gee, if Clinton 'sitting on his ass' for 2 hours annoys you, then Dubya sitting on his for 9 months must have you positively pissed.
 
Originally posted by: kage69
Well gee, if Clinton 'sitting on his ass' for 2 hours annoys you, then Dubya sitting on his for 9 months must have you positively pissed.

Hell, what would Clinton have done if he was in office during 9/11? Not jack crap. Hold hands with the Taliban? Awesome
 
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Hell, what would Clinton have done if he was in office during 9/11? Not jack crap. Hold hands with the Taliban? Awesome
More than you Bush apologists can say, as Bush decided to let troops (Afghan rebels) of Osama's own kind whisk him away from Tora Bora like a Princess.
 
Thats funny, Clinton was never worried about al-Qaida when he was in office.
Oh that right they were to busy with all the investigations aginst them and lets not forget about the sex scandle that I guess never happened.

Yeah Right>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
Originally posted by: Grunt03
Thats funny, Clinton was never worried about al-Qaida when he was in office.
Oh that right they were to busy with all the investigations aginst them and lets not forget about the sex scandle that I guess never happened.

Yeah Right>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The facts contradict your statement. Some people said that Clinton became obssesed with Al Qaid in his second term.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/waro.../0,1361,556906,00.html
Bill Clinton gave the CIA instructions to get Osama Bin Laden dead or alive, but lacked sufficient information or international support to carry the order out, the former US president said this weekend.
Government sources have said the Clinton administration gave the Central Intelligence Agency approval to conduct covert operations targeting bin Laden in 1998, following the bombings that year of two US embassies in east Africa.

Echoing President George Bush's approach, if not his words, Mr Clinton said: "At the time we did everything we can do. I authorised the arrest and, if necessary, the killing of Osama bin Laden and we actually made contact with a group in Afghanistan to do it.

"We also trained commandos for a possible ground action but we did not have the necessary intelligence to do it in the way we would have had to do it."
 
Originally posted by: SViscusi
Originally posted by: Grunt03
Thats funny, Clinton was never worried about al-Qaida when he was in office.
Oh that right they were to busy with all the investigations aginst them and lets not forget about the sex scandle that I guess never happened.

Yeah Right>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The facts contradict your statement. Some people said that Clinton became obssesed with Al Qaid in his second term.

Not according to one of Clinton's top aids as I stated earlier.

"Politics gives guys so much power that they tend to behave badly around women. And I hope I never get into that."

Bill Clinton

Maybe that was the obsession.
 
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Originally posted by: kage69
Well gee, if Clinton 'sitting on his ass' for 2 hours annoys you, then Dubya sitting on his for 9 months must have you positively pissed.

Hell, what would Clinton have done if he was in office during 9/11? Not jack crap. Hold hands with the Taliban? Awesome
I thought you were a Poly Sci Major. That's a pretty ignorant statement coming from you if that's the case. Actually that's a pretty ignorant statement no matter what the case is.

 
Originally posted by: SViscusi
Originally posted by: Grunt03
Thats funny, Clinton was never worried about al-Qaida when he was in office.
Oh that right they were to busy with all the investigations aginst them and lets not forget about the sex scandle that I guess never happened.

Yeah Right>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The facts contradict your statement. Some people said that Clinton became obssesed with Al Qaid in his second term.

I saw a documentary on it and, after Kosovo, Clinton believed we could fight wars without casualties and passed up the numerous chances at killing Bin Laden because he didn't want things to get ugly involving innocent civilians in the area or their task forces failing. They had a group of CIA affiliated Afghans tracking Bin Laden and had him several times staying in poorly secured houses. But Clinton didn't pull the trigger.

No. Clinton was most definitly NOT obsessed with Bin Laden.



In any case, I thought we weren't allowed to bring up Clinton. Can we get a forum FAQ that explains why Liberal get to be hypocrits?
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Originally posted by: kage69
Well gee, if Clinton 'sitting on his ass' for 2 hours annoys you, then Dubya sitting on his for 9 months must have you positively pissed.

Hell, what would Clinton have done if he was in office during 9/11? Not jack crap. Hold hands with the Taliban? Awesome
I thought you were a Poly Sci Major. That's a pretty ignorant statement coming from you if that's the case. Actually that's a pretty ignorant statement no matter what the case is.

No, I'm past the major by a few years. You must be under the impression there are no conservative thinkers as Political Scientists. Bush and Clinton are far from perfect. Consequently, I call Clinton like I see him. Holding hands with Arafat is a perfect example....accomplishing nada.
 
Hell, what would Clinton have done if he was in office during 9/11? Not jack crap.

Yeah, if I was a King George fluffer, I'd prolly be offering abject speculation as a futile retort too.

Actually that's a pretty ignorant statement no matter what the case is.

Ayup. But I respect his goal of a Phd, doubley so as it will no doubt prove difficult what with his tenous grasp of recent history.
 
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Funny how Bush-lovers repel the Tora Bora incident and ignore it or lie about it.

Funny how Clinton lovers repel the fact that Clinton let OBL go the first time and did nothing about al-Qaida the entire time he was in office.

 
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Funny how Bush-lovers repel the Tora Bora incident and ignore it or lie about it.

Funny how Clinton lovers repel the fact that Clinton let OBL go the first time and did nothing about al-Qaida the entire time he was in office.
Funny how your statement is a complete and utter lie.
 
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Yea Clinton worried about Al Queda all right. I listened to one of his close aids on the radio this year with Sam Donnellson. The aid stated that he sat on chance to capture Bin Laden for 2 hours. There was a two-hour window where military intelligence had Bin Laden pin pointed. The aid pleaded with Clinton to make a decision in the time frame. Clinton sat there and did nothing while the aid was on the phone with military officials.

Yea he cared all right.

there is a book called Dereliction of Duty that attests to that.
 
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Yea Clinton worried about Al Queda all right. I listened to one of his close aids on the radio this year with Sam Donnellson. The aid stated that he sat on chance to capture Bin Laden for 2 hours. There was a two-hour window where military intelligence had Bin Laden pin pointed. The aid pleaded with Clinton to make a decision in the time frame. Clinton sat there and did nothing while the aid was on the phone with military officials.

Yea he cared all right.

there is a book called Dereliction of Duty that attests to that.




yeah its one of the books of month from the conservative book club

I would join, but im not a big fan of fiction
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Funny how Bush-lovers repel the Tora Bora incident and ignore it or lie about it.

Funny how Clinton lovers repel the fact that Clinton let OBL go the first time and did nothing about al-Qaida the entire time he was in office.
Funny how your statement is a complete and utter lie.

How so?
 
We could start by considering the revocation of visas of people from muslim countries or selectively not allowing certain types of visas where the person in question may have a questionable background or having heavy restrictions and controls on Muslims who visit our counrty. For instance some kind of monitoring equipment could be used. We make criminals under house arrest wear ankle bracelets and ask for permission when they want to leave their house if they are under house arrest. We could come up with a similar agreement for foreigners who want to go to school here. We could force them to accept on campus housing and refuse to let them work in the country while they are here. Or we could just say go home we dont want you here.

Inviting these peope to come to school here is like inviting a terrorist to live accross the street from you. One of the big problems we have now is that all kinds of foreign students dont want to leave once they get here. Not only that, but they often violate their visa agreements and then we have no way of tracking them. Since we dont have a federal ID Card, it is very hard to find the visa violators if they move to a different state.

The question is are we truly interested in protecting ourselves or not? Are we so locked into using cheap immigrant labor that we let this override our security concerns? Why should we care more about protecting the rights of illegal immigrants than we do about citizens of the United States?
 
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