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Clark releases stellar military record

But Democratic presidential hopeful still has critics
From Jamie McIntyre
CNN Washington Bureau
Thursday, October 16, 2003 Posted: 2049 GMT ( 4:49 AM HKT)



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In an apparent move to answer questions about his level of support within the military, Democratic presidential candidate and former NATO commander Wesley Clark Thursday released more than 180 pages of records detailing his 37-year military career.

The records contain glowing evaluations Clark received from the 1970s and 1980s, when Clark was a junior officer rising quickly through the ranks.

"Major Clark is one of the most outstanding officers of his grade in the U.S. Army... an officer of impeccable character with a rare blend of personal qualities and professional attributes which uniquely qualify him as a soldier-scholar," wrote Gen. Alexander Haig in 1978. Haig went on become President Ronald Reagan's national security advisor.

Ten years later, in 1988, then-Brigadier General William Crouch, who later achieved four-star rank himself, wrote, "Wes Clark has the character and depth to be another Marshall or Eisenhower in time of war."

And in 1992, then-Joint Chiefs Chairman Colin Powell predicted Clark "will be one of the Army's leaders in the 1990s."

"Wes Clark has been a superb battalion commander and will be a superb brigade commander. He is an officer of the rarest potential and will clearly rise to senior general officer rank," Powell wrote.

But missing was any endorsement from his military peers during the time Clark was Supreme Allied Commander of Europe, leading NATO's war in Yugoslavia. During that period, he was often at odds with the Pentagon.

His campaign explained that those sentiments are not reflected in Clark's record because generals above two-star rank do not get written evaluations.

"I was a three-star general myself. I got no efficiency reports, received none, none were written on me during my seven years as a three-star general, and that applies obviously in spades to General Clark," said retired Lt. Gen. Dan Christman, who was made available by the campaign Thursday to answer questions about Clark's military records.

Christman -- like Clark -- has been a CNN military analyst.

Pentagon sources told CNN Clark's bosses at that time -- Defense Secretary William Cohen and Joint Chiefs Chairman Hugh Shelton -- were often frustrated by what they believed was Clark's penchant for going around them to deal directly with the National Security Council or State Department to thwart orders he didn't agree with.

Clark was forced to give up his command three months early to make room for another general, who was more in favor at the Pentagon.

Asked about Clark's candidacy last month, Gen. Shelton -- now retired -- told an audience, "I've known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'm not going to say whether I'm a Republican or a Democrat. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote."

Sources close to Shelton said the former Joint Chiefs chairman didn't mean for the comments to come across quite so harshly, but said Shelton "often felt he didn't get the straight story" from Clark when he was NATO commander.

The Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs faulted Clark's plans to use Apache helicopter gunships to attack Serb ground forces in Kosovo as "too little to late."

Sources said the Joint Chiefs found that none of Clark's options for employing the Apaches "made any sense," and would have likely resulted in many U.S. and civilian casualties.

Cohen recalls 'friction'
Former Defense Secretary William Cohen told CNN on October 7, "There was friction between General Clark and myself, and frankly I think it would be inappropriate for me to comment on his political aspirations. I made a judgment during the time that he was serving as head of NATO, and I felt... the ax -- as such -- when it fell, spoke for itself."

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I've known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart.
-- Retired Gen. Hugh Shelton, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
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Among Clark's sharpest critics at the time were Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Joseph Ralston, who would succeed him, and Gen. Dennis Reimer, who was the Army Chief of Staff, sources told CNN.

Clark shrugged off the criticism in an September 17 interview with CNN.

"I think what you have to understand about the armed forces, it is a -- it's a competitive bureaucracy. People enter it at the bottom and they come out at the top. There's a lot of gossip. There are some sharp elbows in there."

And in book, "Waging Modern War," Clark accuses the military chiefs of having a "hidden agenda" and complains about what he calls "overly cautious Pentagon attitudes restraining commanders in the field."

 

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Ten years later, in 1988, then-Brigadier General William Crouch, who later achieved four-star rank himself, wrote, "Wes Clark has the character and depth to be another Marshall or Eisenhower in time of war."

I imagine Bush's CO said exactly the same thing . . .
 

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Ten years later, in 1988, then-Brigadier General William Crouch, who later achieved four-star rank himself, wrote, "Wes Clark has the character and depth to be another Marshall or Eisenhower in time of war."

I imagine Bush's CO said exactly the same thing . . .

Bush's CO: "Well, we haven't seen the boy in about a year now. Since goin' AWOL, we suspect he's doin' lines and drivin' drunk again. Watchagonna do? He's a Bush after all..."
 

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Humm it doesn't say anything about the officers that worked with him that said he should be a poster child for everything a officer shouldn't be
 

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Ten years later, in 1988, then-Brigadier General William Crouch, who later achieved four-star rank himself, wrote, "Wes Clark has the character and depth to be another Marshall or Eisenhower in time of war."
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I imagine Bush's CO said exactly the same thing . . .

Actually, you're probably not too far off when you say that. Given the endemic "eval inflation" which has been ongoing in the military officer ranks for years, that's probably a pretty average OER (Officer Evaluation Report). I've seen officers that later got court martialed get top grades on their report card too. That's not to say that Clark probably didn't earn his good evals, but there's such a "Lake Woebegone" effect in those that it doesn't really mean all that much. What i'd like to see is if his file contains any personal Presidential or SecDef commendations from earlier in his career (i.e. before he reached flag rank).
 

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Originally posted by: glenn1
Ten years later, in 1988, then-Brigadier General William Crouch, who later achieved four-star rank himself, wrote, "Wes Clark has the character and depth to be another Marshall or Eisenhower in time of war."
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I imagine Bush's CO said exactly the same thing . . .

Actually, you're probably not too far off when you say that. Given the endemic "eval inflation" which has been ongoing in the military officer ranks for years, that's probably a pretty average OER (Officer Evaluation Report). I've seen officers that later got court martialed get top grades on their report card too. That's not to say that Clark probably didn't earn his good evals, but there's such a "Lake Woebegone" effect in those that it doesn't really mean all that much. What i'd like to see is if his file contains any personal Presidential or SecDef commendations from earlier in his career (i.e. before he reached flag rank).


Exactly called rubber stamping.. Well known practice in Officer ranks. 80% of these guys arn't soldiers or warriors at all and would be dismissed if the sh1t hit the fan and we faced a real threat but instead are government employees like any other and all that goes along with that.
 

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I remember posting an article on here about how when one of Clark's former commander said that Clark has serious character issues.

I also remember reading various articles about how Clark ordered a British commander to attack the Russians who had occupied an airbase during Clark's tenure as Nato commander.

I also remember Clark on Meet the Press citing his belief that one of the tenents of the Communist Manifesto (progressive taxation) was actually part of the U.S. Constitution.

If the Dems want to take out Bush in '04, they really need to find a dynamic and energizing candidate. So far, the candidates have ranged from nutty to dull to uninspiring.
 

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All miltary evals say the same thing, everyone gets the same report. Unless you are a axe murderer, then they tone down the praise slightly!
 

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Originally posted by: Queasy
I remember posting an article on here about how when one of Clark's former commander said that Clark has serious character issues.

I also remember reading various articles about how Clark ordered a British commander to attack the Russians who had occupied an airbase during Clark's tenure as Nato commander.

I also remember Clark on Meet the Press citing his belief that one of the tenents of the Communist Manifesto (progressive taxation) was actually part of the U.S. Constitution.

If the Dems want to take out Bush in '04, they really need to find a dynamic and energizing candidate. So far, the candidates have ranged from nutty to dull to uninspiring.

Welll here are the Ten Planks of the communist manifesto. Clark is partially right. plus read Exeutive order 11490.

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance

We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels

We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). This private bank has an exclusive monopoly in money creation which in reality has ended the need for revenue from taxes. So why do they tax? To FOOL YOU into thinking they need them.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State

We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) madated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. There is also the postal monopoly, AMTRACK and CONRAIL

7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education"





also Read these Executive orders on the books

1 . Executive Order 10995 - Takes over all communications media


2. Executive order 10997 - Takes over all electric power, petroleum, gas, fuel and minerals

3. Executive Order 10998 - Takes over all food resources and f arms

4. Executive order 10999. - Takes over all means of transportation, controls highways and seaports

5. Executive order 11000 - Drafts all citizens into work forces under government supervision (slave labor)

6. Executive Order 11001 - Takes over all health, welfare and educational functions

7. Executive Order 11002 - Empowers the Post Office General to register all citizens nationwide

8. Executive Order 11003 - Takes over all airports and aircraft

9. Executive Order 11004 - Takes over housing and finance authorities and housing designated as "unsafe"; establishes new locations for populations; builds new housing with publi f unds

10. Executive Order 11005 - Takes over all railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities

11 Executive order- 11051 - Designates responsibilities of the Office of Emergency Planning giving authorization to put the above orders into effect in times of increased international tension or economic crisis (anytime they want to)

Then comes the Big One: EXECUTIVE ORDER 11490 - all of the above orders are immediately activated



ALL signed by Nixon on Oct. 28, 1969 a supposed REPUBLICAN


 

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Originally posted by: Queasy
I also remember Clark on Meet the Press citing his belief that one of the tenents of the Communist Manifesto (progressive taxation) was actually part of the U.S. Constitution.

Actually, I slightly misspoke. Here's the full Clark quote from 'Meet the Press':

The Bush tax cuts weren't fair. The people that need the money and deserve the money are the people who are paying less, not the people who are paying more. I thought this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation. In other words, it's not only that the more you make, the more you give, but proportionately more because when you don't have very much money, you need to spend it on the necessities of life.

The concept of progressive taxation wasn't even created until the late 1800s. Progressive taxation didn't occur in this country until the 16th amendment. As for Nixon, he wasn't the first 'big government' Repub and he won't be the last. Bush qualifies as 'big government' as well.
 

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His entire statement is true except that Bold faced line. As the current law is set it is a proggressive system.

But the bottom line is this country was founded on a F@ck the government attitude.

It has been twisted and corupted by ALL politicians to maintain their thirst for power.

Some are just more thirsty than others.


But hey, Power corupts and absolute power corupts absolutely.
 

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Originally posted by: smashp

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also Read these Executive orders on the books

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ALL signed by Nixon on Oct. 28, 1969 a supposed REPUBLICAN
Negative. Executive Orders 10995-11051 were signed by JFK, a supposed DEMOCRAT in 1962.

Source

EO11490 was indeed signed by Nixon in 1969. However the EO was revoked by EO12656 signed in 1988.

All Executive Orders cited deal with Emergency Preparedness.