Clark lied about phone calls

XZeroII

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http://www.msnbc.com/news/969659.asp?0cv=KA01
I would have been a Republican,? Clark told them, ?if Karl Rove had returned my phone calls.? Soon thereafter, in fact, Clark quit his day job and began seriously planning to enter the presidential race?as a Democrat
In this article, Clark claimed to have called the white house after Sept. 11th and his call was not returned. It is because of this that he is a democrat, and not a republican. However...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/152tuawi.asp
shows us that he made this whole story up!

I don't think I have to point out how hypocritical it would be for someone to criticize bush for lying, and not Clark.
Unfortunately for Clark, the White House has logged every incoming phone call since the beginning of the Bush administration in January 2001. At the request of THE DAILY STANDARD, White House staffers went through the logs to check whether Clark had ever called White House political adviser Karl Rove. The general hadn't. What's more, Rove says he doesn't remember ever talking to Clark, either.

 

jahawkin

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LOL!! I was waiting for someone to post this tripe. You ever heard of a joke?? Based on Clark's positions and viewpoints, do you think he would be a republican??
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: jahawkin
LOL!! I was waiting for someone to post this tripe. You ever heard of a joke?? Based on Clark's positions and viewpoints, do you think he would be a republican??

Considering he was a republican at one time? Then a registered independent?

Its called people roll over and flop on issues all the time.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: jahawkin
LOL!! I was waiting for someone to post this tripe. You ever heard of a joke?? Based on Clark's positions and viewpoints, do you think he would be a republican??

Considering he was a republican at one time? Then a registered independent?

Its called people roll over and flop on issues all the time.

It's not like he campaigned on no nationbuilding small government and did the complete opposite ;)
 

burnedout

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Quote from a mad scientist in a movie with unremarkable title in regards to a pending nuclear detonation:

"Ze reaction has started (puff.... puff). Nozing or nobody can stop it.
 

dahunan

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Like Karl Rove IS CONSIDERED TO BE AN HONEST and UNBIASED SOURCE :disgust:



I would not doubt that this is a dirty lie/smear campaign by none other than Karl Rove himself.

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen1101.html
MORE at url
and more here
http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Rove+disinformation
http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Rove+slander
Exposing Karl Rove
by WAYNE MADSEN

He's America's Joseph Goebbels. As a 21-year old Young Republican in Texas, Karl Rove not only pimped for Richard Nixon's chief political dirty tricks strategist Donald Segretti but soon caught the eye of the incoming Republican National Committee Chairman, George H. W. Bush. Rove's dirty tricks on behalf of Nixon's 1972 campaign catapulted Rove onto the national stage. From his Eagle's Nest in the West Wing of the White House, Rove now directs a formidable political dirty tricks operation and disinformation mill.

Since his formative political years when he tried to paint World War II B-24 pilot and hero George McGovern as a left-wing peacenik through his mid-level career as a planter of disinformation in the media on behalf of Texas and national GOP candidates to his current role as Dubya's "Svengali," Rove has practiced the same style of slash and burn politics as did his Nixonian mentor Segretti. Many of us remember the Lincolnesque Senator Ed Muskie breaking down in tears during the 1972 campaign over Segretti-planted false stories in a New Hampshire newspaper that accused Mrs. Muskie of being a heavy smoker, drinker, and cusser and accused Muskie of uttering a slur in describing New Hampshire's French Canadian population. Rove's hero also forged letters on fake Muskie campaign letterhead, disrupted rallies and fundraising dinners, and spread false stories about the sex lives of candidates. Segretti's brush also smeared George McGovern, George Wallace, Shirley Chisholm, and McGovern's first vice presidential choice, Senator Tom Eagleton. Segretti of course did not go on to a high-level White House job -- he was sentenced to six months in federal prison for distributing illegal campaign material.

In many respects, however, the apprentice Rove has far exceeded the chicanery and evil-mindedness of his mentor Segretti. Rove is a tech-savvy puppet master for Bush. Take, for example, last June's discovery of a "lost" CD-ROM in Lafayette Park across from the White House. Contained on the CD was a PowerPoint presentation given by White House political director Ken Mehlman to Rove on the strategy for next Tuesday's off-year election. The slide show showed First Brother Jeb Bush being vulnerable in Florida. Jeb Bush later joked that the disc was part of a plot cooked up by him and his brother to make it appear that he was vulnerable in order to rally an otherwise complacent GOP base in the Sunshine State. Or was it a joke? Jeb Bush and his political minions like Katherine Harris have shown us that if anyone thinks what the GOP has done in Florida is funny they have an incredibly sick sense of humor.

Rove's own tendency to be sick-minded originates with his mentor Segretti. The 2000 GOP primary was a chance for Rove to hone his skills in dirty tricks. His target then was Senator John McCain who appeared to be within striking distance of Dubya in South Carolina after the then-GOP maverick's surprise upset victory in New Hampshire. Rove's operation proceeded to target McCain with false stories: McCain was a stoolie for his captors in the Hanoi Hilton (this from a lunatic self-promoting Vietnam "veteran"); McCain fathered a black daughter out of wedlock (a despicable reference to McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter); Cindy McCain's drug "abuse"; and even McCain's "homosexuality." In the spirit of Segretti, Rove engineered a victory for Dubya but at the cost of trashing an honorable man and his family. Muskie, McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Hart, Tsongas, Clinton, Biden, Dole, Perot, and others had all seen the Segretti/Rove slash and burn tactics before.

And Rove's penchant for fascistic demagoguery and outright lying continues to this very day. After Paul Wellstone's sons asked that Vice President Dick Cheney not attend the Minneapolis memorial service for their father, mother, and sister, the White House explained that the real reason wasn't the surviving Wellstone family's abhorrence for Cheney but the fact the family didn't want Cheney's Secret Service protection to interfere with public access to the service. Of course, the Rove and Ari Fleischer disinformation machine forgot to take into account that two attendees, Bill and Hillary Clinton, had their own Secret Service details. But such is the case with a White House that takes its lessons from Goebbels and the editorial staff of the old Soviet News Agency Tass.
 

Red Dawn

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Wow the Republicans must really think Clark is a threat to the Dubs Job, they've already started a massive smear campaign. Next thing you know, Sean Hannity is going to get all hysterical (well more than usual) and state that Clark claimed to have invented the Internet!
 

CaptnKirk

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The other real reliable data source is the Weekly Standard - NeoCon William Krystals Lesiure Service
Republican Party Tabloid - financed by Mellon-Scaife, to direct the Talking Points for the PNAC.
Bullsheets.
 

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According to Bush he claimed to have seen the first plane crash into the Twin Towers before he entered the classroom on 9/11 when this is an impossibility. In fact he said it twice on the record.
 

Lucky

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Originally posted by: villager
According to Bush he claimed to have seen the first plane crash into the Twin Towers before he entered the classroom on 9/11 when this is an impossibility. In fact he said it twice on the record.

back it up. cite your claims.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: villager
According to Bush he claimed to have seen the first plane crash into the Twin Towers before he entered the classroom on 9/11 when this is an impossibility. In fact he said it twice on the record.

back it up. cite your claims.


Anyway, I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And something was wrong with the plane, or -- anyway, I'm sitting there, listening to the briefing, and Andy Card came and said, "America is under attack."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020105-3.html


This article just came out that he may ahve read also
9/11/01: Where Was George?
 

Lucky

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: villager
According to Bush he claimed to have seen the first plane crash into the Twin Towers before he entered the classroom on 9/11 when this is an impossibility. In fact he said it twice on the record.

back it up. cite your claims.


Anyway, I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And something was wrong with the plane, or -- anyway, I'm sitting there, listening to the briefing, and Andy Card came and said, "America is under attack."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020105-3.html


This article just came out that he may ahve read also
9/11/01: Where Was George?


interesting, thanks. good read.

 

0roo0roo

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poor republicans are climbing the wall trying to smear clark. its so desperate its sad. the dishonest tactics are rather sad to boot.

mia drug using, blatant liar bush... gotta love him huh:p

must...

divert...

attention ....

from...

bush....







its also hilarious that on conservative talk shows they say clark isn't ready or qualified for the presidency.

bush? lol.. the hipocrisy is beyond sickening, its amazing the loyal listeners take it.
 

DealMonkey

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Yeah XZeroII typifies the conservative hypocrite around here. They go on and on, bitching about how everyone's picking on poor ol' Bush. Meanwhile, they dig up BS and slanderous lies to drag each and every democratic candidate through the mud. What a piece of work.
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yeah XZeroII typifies the conservative hypocrite around here. They go on and on, bitching about how everyone's picking on poor ol' Bush. Meanwhile, they dig up BS and slanderous lies to drag each and every democratic candidate through the mud. What a piece of work.

LOL. You've got people like BOBDN who are posting article after article, day after day, and finally ONE conservative speaks up and you people start saying they're on a witchhunt and they're hypocrites. Look at yourself in the mirror once in awhile. Meanwhile, they consider everything on the internet that says Bush is bad as truth, and everything that says that democrats are bad as lies. You yourself just said that this artical is a lie, yet you have no evidence. You people make me sick.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
poor republicans are climbing the wall trying to smear clark. its so desperate its sad. the dishonest tactics are rather sad to boot.

mia drug using, blatant liar bush... gotta love him huh:p

must...

divert...

attention ....

from...

bush....







its also hilarious that on conservative talk shows they say clark isn't ready or qualified for the presidency.

bush? lol.. the hipocrisy is beyond sickening, its amazing the loyal listeners take it.

...must
...divert
...attention
....from Clark

It's only topic of the thread:Q Id do believe it is you that is trying to divert attention here.;)

CkG
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
poor republicans are climbing the wall trying to smear clark. its so desperate its sad. the dishonest tactics are rather sad to boot.

mia drug using, blatant liar bush... gotta love him huh:p

must...

divert...

attention ....

from...

bush....







its also hilarious that on conservative talk shows they say clark isn't ready or qualified for the presidency.

bush? lol.. the hipocrisy is beyond sickening, its amazing the loyal listeners take it.

...must
...divert
...attention
....from Clark

It's only topic of the thread:Q Id do believe it is you that is trying to divert attention here.;)

CkG

owned :D
 

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I have no doubt that Clark is not a saint. In fact I know none of them are. Now, I have to pick one or none. Clark IMO has the qualifications that Bush wished he had, but would not go and earn. I have reservations about them all. I also know that supporters of Bush understand (well many do) that Clark is the greatest threat among the Dems to Bush because of his record. I do not remember Bush having earned and decorations, or risking his life for his men. That kind of person concernes Bush supporters. So they will go on the attack. Some of the material will be overblown, and some wrong, like much of the Novak piece. Some criticism will be warranted. Now, when I make my judgement between Clark and Bush, Clark comes up on top based on merit. Bush loses.
 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
I have no doubt that Clark is not a saint. In fact I know none of them are. Now, I have to pick one or none. Clark IMO has the qualifications that Bush wished he had, but would not go and earn. I have reservations about them all. I also know that supporters of Bush understand (well many do) that Clark is the greatest threat among the Dems to Bush because of his record. I do not remember Bush having earned and decorations, or risking his life for his men. That kind of person concernes Bush supporters. So they will go on the attack. Some of the material will be overblown, and some wrong, like much of the Novak piece. Some criticism will be warranted. Now, when I make my judgement between Clark and Bush, Clark comes up on top based on merit. Bush loses.
To be quite honest, that Lowell Ponte dude really ticked me off royally with his sensationalized false accusations of General Clark's involvement at Waco.