civilization IV

[ciproxr]

I just tried playing it but it has all this options and im very confused, this is the first of the civilization series that im playing....

anyone know where i can get some sort of quick start guide or something ?

 

[DeathReborn]

You can get all the guides/help you need from these guys: http://www.civfanatics.com/

 

[ciproxr]

thank u

 

[sandorski]

Isn't there a Tutorial with it? Do that first.

 

[ciproxr]

u know i didnt even see it

 

[sandorski]

hehe

 

[Acanthus]

One thing to note: If youre playing single player, the computer doesnt follow the rules you have to... It can instantly produce truckoads of units all while building technology, money, and culture just as fast as you...

Just a tip.

 

[BoberFett]

Bah, Civ 4 uses "cheating" AI? I was in the mood for an empire building game lately and ran across Galactic Civilizations. It's space based instead of earth, but from what I've read the AI cannot cheat. It follows the same rules you do. There's a demo which is pretty cool.

http://www.galciv2.com/

 

[Atheus]

In civ4 I don't think they cheat, not like they used to. On any level above Prince they get some free production and economy bonuses, but they can't just magically produce units, as far as I know.

 

[eLiu]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
One thing to note: If youre playing single player, the computer doesnt follow the rules you have to... It can instantly produce truckoads of units all while building technology, money, and culture just as fast as you...

Just a tip.

No, Civ4 is the first civ to NOT use a cheating AI

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: Acanthus
One thing to note: If youre playing single player, the computer doesnt follow the rules you have to... It can instantly produce truckoads of units all while building technology, money, and culture just as fast as you...

Just a tip.

No, Civ4 is the first civ to NOT use a cheating AI

Umm yes, it does cheat...

Use spies on their cities...

city will have a population of 12, using 12 specialists, starving, and never get any smaller...

Get into a war at the very begnning of the game and wipe out an AIs improvments...

Watch as it produces a unit every turn in a city with absolutely no improvments AND units standing on all of its good food tiles.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: Acanthus
One thing to note: If youre playing single player, the computer doesnt follow the rules you have to... It can instantly produce truckoads of units all while building technology, money, and culture just as fast as you...

Just a tip.

No, Civ4 is the first civ to NOT use a cheating AI

It does cheat the higher up the difficulty scale you go. It's not so bad on the lower difficulties but each one you go up it cheats just a little bit more.

If you want the least amount of cheating in SP on Civ games then play Civ 2, it cheated the least and in my book is the best of the lot.

 

[Kyteland]

The AI doesn't cheat.

It doesn't:
- know where resources are until it has explored the map, same as you.
- know where hidden resources are until it discovers the thechnology that reveals them.
- know where all of the goodie huts are and beeline for them.
- know if there's little islands in the ocean until it explores the area.
- see into the fog of war.
- see into your cities unless it has line of sight. It won't magically know if you have undefended cities.
- treat other AIs any differently than you.
- get free food/hammers/commerce.

It does:
- get extra units at the start of the game on higher difficulty levels
- get multipliers on it's production and research depending on the level.

Noble is "fair", ie everything costs *exactly* the same for them as you. On higher levels they both research and produce faster than you. On Monarch they get 2 extra units, +15% tech rate and a 70% unit construction rate. You can look these values up from the game XML files. That's the extent of your "cheating" right there. I personally wish they'd make the AI smarter instead of giving it those bonuses, but then again I'm not willing to wait 10 minutes for it to take its turn either....

I think you should redo your "spy test". I suspect you looked in their city during an anarchy period or right after they conqured the city. That's very common. If a city is in resistance for 8 turns, you set it to a bunch of great artists for the entire time so that when it comes out it will have enough culture to expand the borders fully.

The AI doesn't break any game rules that the player must follow. The *only* advantages it gets are the two I listed above.

 

[junkerman123]

Civ IV is a great game! Once you figure it out, especially the military tactics, you'll have a blast!

Hint: build catapults, cities are REALLY hard to conquer.

this makes me kind of want to play when I get home from work!

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: junkerman123
Civ IV is a great game! Once you figure it out, especially the military tactics, you'll have a blast!

Hint: build catapults, cities are REALLY hard to conquer.

this makes me kind of want to play when I get home from work!

Try out SevoMod. It adds a bunch of really neat stuff to the game.

 

[Davegod]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: Acanthus
One thing to note: If youre playing single player, the computer doesnt follow the rules you have to... It can instantly produce truckoads of units all while building technology, money, and culture just as fast as you...

Just a tip.

No, Civ4 is the first civ to NOT use a cheating AI

Umm yes, it does cheat...

Use spies on their cities...

city will have a population of 12, using 12 specialists, starving, and never get any smaller...

Get into a war at the very begnning of the game and wipe out an AIs improvments...

Watch as it produces a unit every turn in a city with absolutely no improvments AND units standing on all of its good food tiles.

This is Civilization IV you're playing? That definately isnt the same Civ IV I'm playing, where on noble (i.e. average) the AI's only cheat is cheap upgrades, which is fine by me since they're usually not so great at war strategy.

 

[Davegod]

ps. smartmap is a good mapscript, but maybe suffers from too many options

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: Davegod
This is Civilization IV you're playing? That definately isnt the same Civ IV I'm playing, where on noble (i.e. average) the AI's only cheat is cheap upgrades, which is fine by me since they're usually not so great at war strategy.

Heh, Civ 3 cheated outrageously. I don't balme people for thinking civ 4 does too. (Even though it doesn't)

 

[Homerboy]

Also get the CivGold patch... adds tons more nationalities, and makes the game MUCH more diverse... which you will want, once you get horribly addicted and want to see some variance in the nationalities you play as/against.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Davegod

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: Acanthus
One thing to note: If youre playing single player, the computer doesnt follow the rules you have to... It can instantly produce truckoads of units all while building technology, money, and culture just as fast as you...

Just a tip.

No, Civ4 is the first civ to NOT use a cheating AI

Umm yes, it does cheat...

Use spies on their cities...

city will have a population of 12, using 12 specialists, starving, and never get any smaller...

Get into a war at the very begnning of the game and wipe out an AIs improvments...

Watch as it produces a unit every turn in a city with absolutely no improvments AND units standing on all of its good food tiles.

This is Civilization IV you're playing? That definately isnt the same Civ IV I'm playing, where on noble (i.e. average) the AI's only cheat is cheap upgrades, which is fine by me since they're usually not so great at war strategy.

So you dont know about the AI huge bonus against barbarian units?

How about trading tech with people they are at war with?

Firaxis even says the AI has "advantages to make up for the shortcomings of AI".