City removes fluoride from drinking water

[piasabird]

Look for studies on combining Aluminum and Flouride. It has the effect of damaging the blood vessels in the brain in mice. Aluminum will combine with Flouride. Aluminum is a toxic heavy metal. In the body it combines with Zinc. This cause your body to be able to use the Zinc, which your body needs. Some people are more sensitive to this than others.

Aluminum is found naturally in water in different locations in varying quantities, so if flouride is added a condition for poisoning exists.

 

[nageov3t]

my parents gave me floride growing up... in 25 years, I haven't had a single cavity, and I take pretty crappy care of my teeth. heh.

having floride in my water doesn't really bother me at all.

 

[BucsMAN3K]

No, I'd rather not add things to my water which has no proven benefit thank you very much.

I don't understand the rationale of the people who don't mind fluroide in their water. Why mess around by actively adding compounds to your drinking water which has no proven benefit but has many proven harms! It makes absolutely no sense.

You use the word prove a lot. Show me the proof.

IMO people worry about crap like this too much and then eventually walk out in front of a car.

 

[Colt45]

Gen. Jack Ripper is alive and well it seems

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: beer
Flouride has provided a huge benefit to the dental health of hundreds of millions of people.

Sucks for those in Del Rio, unless you're a dentist.

I don't think there is any evidence that drinking fluoride helps with anything. Show me the peer reviewed research which conclusively shows that drinking fluoride has any further benefit than just applying it to your teeth and rinsing it out and I'll reconsider my position

You have got to be kidding me.

Have you SEEN the teeth of countries that don't add flouride? Seriously, have you seen that? Have you traveled to these countries and seen the nastiness that is their mouths (I have)? There's a reason why asians/europeans have such nasty teeth.

Psst! Hey, moron! I'll tell you a secret: People with bad teeth will have bad teeth because they don't brush. Not because they don't have a chemical in their drinking water (how long do you keep the water in between your teeth, when you're drinking, anyway?)

And when you make broad, sweeping statements that Europeans have bad teeth, you're only showing your stupidity, nothing else. I'm European myself, and I bet my teeth are healthier and better looking than yours, even though I don't live in an area whcih adds fluoride to water.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
The "data" on fluoride is totally useless without relevant data. Lots of things are bad for you in higher certain concentrations that are pretty harmless (or even good for you) at lower volumes...water itself is the obvious example. As far as I'm concerned, the anti-fluoride campaign is just unscientific fear-mongering unless they are able to point at some facts showing that in the concentrations present in our water it is harmful. Since there seems to be a lack of that kind of data and the anti-fluoride folks seem to resort to non-scientific FUD, I tend to doubt such facts exist.

That's circular logic. A catch 22 and you blame the side without the power/money to do something about it. Classic.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Look for studies on combining Aluminum and Flouride. It has the effect of damaging the blood vessels in the brain in mice. Aluminum will combine with Flouride. Aluminum is a toxic heavy metal. In the body it combines with Zinc. This cause your body to be able to use the Zinc, which your body needs. Some people are more sensitive to this than others.

Aluminum is found naturally in water in different locations in varying quantities, so if flouride is added a condition for poisoning exists.

I think your the first person to ever call Aluminum a heavy metal.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: loki8481
my parents gave me floride growing up... in 25 years, I haven't had a single cavity, and I take pretty crappy care of my teeth. heh.

having floride in my water doesn't really bother me at all.

Well, it must be okay then...:roll:

 

[astrosfan90]

Originally posted by: BucsMAN3K

No, I'd rather not add things to my water which has no proven benefit thank you very much.

I don't understand the rationale of the people who don't mind fluroide in their water. Why mess around by actively adding compounds to your drinking water which has no proven benefit but has many proven harms! It makes absolutely no sense.

You use the word prove a lot. Show me the proof.

IMO people worry about crap like this too much and then eventually walk out in front of a car.

Bingo.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Stunt
Wiki

Apparently Dannon adds fluoride to their bottled water.

Nice article

Many North American and Australian municipalities fluoridate their water supplies, believing that this practice will reduce tooth decay at a low cost.

That's a good one: "Believing". Hey guys, I believe trace amounts of mercury will strengthen our immune systems. Let's add it to our water!

Small minority of scientists are pushing against the fluoride.
If you wanted to add mercury...it'd be a totally different situation.

The ironic thing is, people used to believe mercury had great healing potentials. They used to make elixirs with mercury 'believing' it would prolong your life.

Alot of new things discovered are usually hailed in the beginning and thought of as perfectly safe and then only later found to be actually harmful in long-term. It seems to be a habit of human kind. We never learn. We just adopt things immediately because hey, if it doesn't kill us right away, it must be ok right? Things like asbestos, radiation, DDT, even x-rays. An old teacher of mine used to tell us stories of when x-rays were first discovered they used to play in front of a x-ray projection machine and see their bones being dispayed, and they would do this for hours. The medical community thought there was nothing wrong. Of course doing that now we know is totally stupid.

So give it time. The rest of us will learn eventually

If you feel like posting proof that fluoride in water is a so incredibly harmful from a peer reviewed journal, feel free to start.

 

[daveshel]

Fluoride has not been proven to benefit dental health like smoking cigarettes has not been proven detrimental to respiratory health.

 

[NeoV]

Rainsford, this is one of the few times I have to disagree with you, and CaptKirk, you should ask yourself once in a while, "do I really know everything?".

Fluoride has very little value in our drinking water. The fact that fluoride was added to toothpaste was the major factor in lowered rates of cavities - this is PROVEN in countries that didn't add fluoride to their water but had the same decrease in cavity rates.

I know some of you think this is tin-foil hat time, but it's not. Read up on the history of who/how/why this practice started. A good place to get started is http://www.fluoridedebate.com/ - yes, it's a biased site, but they footnote all the facts they use and shed some valuable light on this issue.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Stunt
Wiki

Apparently Dannon adds fluoride to their bottled water.

Nice article

Many North American and Australian municipalities fluoridate their water supplies, believing that this practice will reduce tooth decay at a low cost.

That's a good one: "Believing". Hey guys, I believe trace amounts of mercury will strengthen our immune systems. Let's add it to our water!

Small minority of scientists are pushing against the fluoride.
If you wanted to add mercury...it'd be a totally different situation.

The ironic thing is, people used to believe mercury had great healing potentials. They used to make elixirs with mercury 'believing' it would prolong your life.

Alot of new things discovered are usually hailed in the beginning and thought of as perfectly safe and then only later found to be actually harmful in long-term. It seems to be a habit of human kind. We never learn. We just adopt things immediately because hey, if it doesn't kill us right away, it must be ok right? Things like asbestos, radiation, DDT, even x-rays. An old teacher of mine used to tell us stories of when x-rays were first discovered they used to play in front of a x-ray projection machine and see their bones being dispayed, and they would do this for hours. The medical community thought there was nothing wrong. Of course doing that now we know is totally stupid.

So give it time. The rest of us will learn eventually

If you feel like posting proof that fluoride in water is a so incredibly harmful from a peer reviewed journal, feel free to start.

I agree. Still waiting on peer reviewed proof that flouride isn't beneficial.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: beer
Flouride has provided a huge benefit to the dental health of hundreds of millions of people.

Sucks for those in Del Rio, unless you're a dentist.

I don't think there is any evidence that drinking fluoride helps with anything. Show me the peer reviewed research which conclusively shows that drinking fluoride has any further benefit than just applying it to your teeth and rinsing it out and I'll reconsider my position

How about a peer reviewed study that says that the amount of fluoride in the drinking water is dangerous?

No, I'd rather not add things to my water which has no proven benefit thank you very much.

I don't understand the rationale of the people who don't mind fluroide in their water. Why mess around by actively adding compounds to your drinking water which has no proven benefit but has many proven harms! It makes absolutely no sense.

Link???

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: lozina
City removes fluoride from drinking water

It's part of the Bush administration's employment program. Del Rio is now bracing for a massive influx of dentists and dental assistants and huge increase in the construction of dental care facilities to deal with the resluting increase in tooth decay.

Figures it would be in Texas. If they were dumb enough to elect Bush-lite governor, they're dumb enough to go for this. :laugh:

 

[BoomerD]

We just went thru the big fluoride debate here a couple of years ago. Many claims on both sides were thrown around, but in the end, the voters decided not to allow the city to add what is a toxic by-product of the fertilizer industry, and one which, if taken to a land-fill, has to be treated like hazardous waste.
I grew up in a town with fluoridated water in the 60's, and know of no one who suffered any health problems associated with the fluoride. I don't think it's as bad as the nay-sayers all claim, but then again, I don't think it is as great as the pro-fluoride folks say either. IMO, it helps with dental health somewhat, but using a good fluoride toothpaste and mouthrinse does as much or more. PLUS, IIRC, this only makes a difference for kids, not adults, which is why most dentists only do the fluoride treatments in younger patients...

 

[Fern]

Yeah, it's a debate that's been raging on & off in the community where I live too.

I'm on well-water and so don't give a poop anyway.

How many people kids drink a lot of water out of the faucet anyway? Are soda's made with floridated water? Are juices etc? That's what most kids drink.

Fern

 

[imported_Aelius]

I think of Flouride as I think of Aspartame. I wouldn't be surprised if the approval process for Flouride was as shady (conflicts of intrest) as the approval process of Aspartame.

 

[Zorba]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: beer
Flouride has provided a huge benefit to the dental health of hundreds of millions of people.

Sucks for those in Del Rio, unless you're a dentist.

I don't think there is any evidence that drinking fluoride helps with anything. Show me the peer reviewed research which conclusively shows that drinking fluoride has any further benefit than just applying it to your teeth and rinsing it out and I'll reconsider my position

A quick search, and I found this one for you: Jones, S., B. A. Burt, P. E. Petersen and M. A. Lennon (2005). "The effective use of fluorides in public health." Bulletin of the World Health Organization 83(9): 670-676.

 

[moshquerade]

there is bottled water available with fluoride in it for those of you who are educated on its' benefits and want to continue drinking it if your town votes to remove it from your drinking water.

fyi, most pediatricians recommend mixing baby formula with fluoridated water either from the tap or store bought or most prescribe fluoride suppliments (if fluoride is not in the drinking water) when the baby no longer needs formula.

looks like those in medical field along with those in the dental field are prescribing a no-good, cancer causing, chemical to the masses. i wonder why there hasn't been tons of lawsuits over the ill effects of fluoride? docs and dentists should be getting sued left and right.

 

[morkinva]

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.prevention.com/article/0,,s1-1-74-112-6959-1,00.html">...

For starters, read the label on a tube of toothpaste: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If more than is used for brushing is accidentally swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away.

Poison? Indeed, some forms of fluoride are used in high concentrations to kill rats and crop-eating insects. Municipal employees who add fluoridation chemicals to public water systems must wear protective clothing and respirators...</a>

Burt's reasoning seems particularly sound given another concern in the NRC report: Several studies from China have found a persistent link between high levels of fluoride and IQ deficits in children. In one study, children in a town with about 2.5 mg/L of fluoride in the water tested 8 points lower on average than children in a village whose water had just trace amounts of it. Some animal studies have suggested that fluoride can harm brain cells, though the chemical interaction isn't yet completely clear. The report concluded that the "consistency of study results appears significant enough to warrant additional research."

 

[bwnv]

Floride + Chlorine = Chloroform, a proven carcinogen

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: morkinva


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.prevention.com/article/0,,s1-1-74-112-6959-1,00.html">...

For starters, read the label on a tube of toothpaste: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If more than is used for brushing is accidentally swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away.

Poison? Indeed, some forms of fluoride are used in high concentrations to kill rats and crop-eating insects. Municipal employees who add fluoridation chemicals to public water systems must wear protective clothing and respirators...</a>

Burt's reasoning seems particularly sound given another concern in the NRC report: Several studies from China have found a persistent link between high levels of fluoride and IQ deficits in children. In one study, children in a town with about 2.5 mg/L of fluoride in the water tested 8 points lower on average than children in a village whose water had just trace amounts of it. Some animal studies have suggested that fluoride can harm brain cells, though the chemical interaction isn't yet completely clear. The report concluded that the "consistency of study results appears significant enough to warrant additional research."

Aspartame has similar effects. I say has instead of might because there have been limited studies to prove this. The poison it turns into at body temp is far worse than Flouride. All recent major studies that were pushed to get it tested have been done by groups funded by the very companies they aim to test. Pathetic.

 

[Perknose]

Yet another anecdotal report here. I spent 5 years abroad , mostly in Europe, in the 70's, and in most countries their incidence of bad teeth was shockingly higher than ours. Germany was the worst!

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Yet another anecdotal report here. I spent 5 years abroad , mostly in Europe, in the 70's, and in most countries their incidence of bad teeth was shockingly higher than ours. Germany was the worst!

Diet has a large part to do with it I think as well as other factors. Oral IQ etc.

I grew up in Eastern Europe so I think I can validate what I say. They didn't teach us very well about how to take care of our teeth. That's all there is to it.