City of Milwaukee urges everyone who lives there to stop vaping immediately

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VirtualLarry

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But this all is just a biased opinion of Vaper who successfully quit cigarettes and rediscovered a healthier living.
Let me state - I don't vape, nor have I ever smoked a cigarette.

But I've got plenty of friends that smoke, or, used to, before they discovered vaping. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, cites "improved health / breathing", from vaping for the last few years (five or so?), rather than smoking the "cancer sticks".

Let me also state - I am AGAINST "Teen Vaping". Let it be 21+ ONLY, and let's ACTUALLY ENFORCE THE LAW.

Here in my state / local area, the "Vape shops" ALL CARD. VERY STRICT.

That's not to say, teens couldn't possibly get them, where there's a will, there's a way. But much like teenage drinking and driving, we as a society do as much as possible to EDUCATE and PREVENT those tragedies. Teen vaping, is along the same lines. But HANDS OFF the vaping devices / juices, FOR ADULTS.

And all of these SENSATIONALIZED media reports, ALL seem to revolve around "black market" THC vaping cartridges, or something along those lines. Who knew that freebasing THC directly, was bad for you?

Anyways, a little nicotine, delivered in juices with PG or VG or both, doesn't seem to kill people, they've been doing it for what, 10-odd years now. Aside from early cases of "popcorn lung", from diacytel or whatever that additive is that's in microwave popcorn too, which the vape juice companies voluntarily removed immediately, as soon as it was known to be an issue, I haven't heard of any ADULT vapers with health problems caused by vaping, save perhaps for people using cheap Chinese or black-market juices, with who-knows-what in them.

Why are all of these reports, TEENS? Maybe because they lack the maturity and discernment to handle vaping RESPONSIBLY. Thus, TEEN VAPING should be banned. But NOT ADULT vaping.

And they can't ban flavoring, they are used throughout the industry, in many products.
 

JEDIYoda

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Like I said - there needs to be "smart" regulation regarding the issue of teenagers and take down these black market stuff and unverified overseas products all without limiting access to proper usage of right products for people how are in need.

That being said, teenagers will do what they do - history of tragedy among teens are riddled with drug abuse, drunk/wreckless driving, or even sniffing glue for pete's sakes... But we don't ban everything due to misuse.

The issue I find in this thread are the people with limited understanding based on practically propaganda in the media and political bias, clamoring for extreme actions - which you've already seen plenty of throughout these posts.

Let me put it this way - as I started vaping I have searched the internet for any laboratory studies done over the past 8 years or so regarding health risk of vaping. I have read probably more hours than I should of these studies BOTH for and against vaping in terms of its health risk - and I still take the time to read any new research as I find them. It's amazing how biased both for and against vaping some of these reports are (starting with obvious bias inherent in some researcher entities based on who funded those case studies lol) and truly scientific reports are few and far between.

My opinions are based on these experiences. Doesn't mean there are no tragedies related to vaping going on nor do I dismiss them as false.

To me, it just means that vaping is a relatively new thing for just about everyone and people need to learn and understand what it is exactly.

It's simple really, don't just take all the negative media reports and politically motivated statements at heart to form your opinion - read some of what vaping industry is saying and their point of view.

After such a process - if a person still feels vaping in US is such a health risk - that opinion I can respect and I would suspect that such a person would be able to state good constructive argument against vaping and not one that repeats whatever they "heard" from the mass media sensationalism.
You have stated no facts that vaping is ok or safe to do!! As you yourself stated it is your opinion based on what? Your own research. Because as of now you yourself have not stated any gpood constructive reasons for vaping!!
All you are doing is substituting the word vaping for smoking from way back when smoking was stated to be good for you and anything that said smoking was bad for you was media propoganda or sensationalism!
 

VirtualLarry

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@JEDIYoda , I don't think that anyone is saying, "Vaping is GOOD for you", so much as "Vaping is LESS BAD than cigarettes (which are known to be deadly, and also highly-addictive), and it will help you GET OFF CIGS."
 
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Zanovar

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*laughs*Jesus.That took you long enough
.im guessing this would of went to the end of time.Im in the uk blows some jam tart your way:p(im,kidding here).Fruit flavours thats it.Peace and good health
 
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Fritzo

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I can’t understand why people are so negative about vaping ???

Mostly because it was a flawed solution to a serious problem. Vaping was promoted as a "healthy" way to get off of cigarettes. At first, it was fairly harmless...it was simply water vapor and sometimes nicotine (to ween you off of the drug).

That wasn't good enough, so people started adding flavorings to jazz it up a bit. Flavorings are done through oils...and oils are getting inhaled into your lungs. There is no digestive function or particle breakdown system in human lungs---if something that isn't water, air, or something that can be metabolized enters the lungs, it's there for good. You can't get it out.

So, now we're seeing crazy oils and unapproved flavoring reagents being introduced into our lungs with no long term studies of how they affect people, not to mention unnatural introduction of things like harmful amounts of Vitamin E into the body. We're starting to see the first studies coming out, and they're not good...vaping is starting to prove to have a separate set of dangers from smoking. Vitamin poisoning, "popcorn lung" type conditions, and others are showing up.

People- your lungs are your body's power source. You need to take care of them to enjoy your life. Your lungs can handle air, medicine, or water vapor...NOTHING ELSE.

 

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So, it's been 9 months. Has Milwaukee actually done anything or were they just blowing smoke? All that hand-wringing and all those crocodile tears disappeared the moment the press got tired of covering it.

NATIONAL law on the sales of tobacco to minors is 21 and many states have extended that to include vaping products. However, the national law can be overridden by state laws which drop the legal age to 18. Where is Wisconsin on this? Legal age to buy tobacco and vaping products is 18 in defiance of the national law and Wisconsin has done nothing to implement an age 21 limit on vaping products either. That's how they feel about protecting their kids, a lot of empty talk to fool a few idiots into believing they were serious, but in the end, no action.
 
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JEDIYoda

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So, it's been 9 months. Has Milwaukee actually done anything or were they just blowing smoke? All that hand-wringing and all those crocodile tears disappeared the moment the press got tired of covering it.

NATIONAL law on the sales of tobacco to minors is 21 and many states have extended that to include vaping products. However, the national law can be overridden by state laws which drop the legal age to 18. Where is Wisconsin on this? Legal age to buy tobacco and vaping products is 18 in defiance of the national law and Wisconsin has done nothing to implement an age 21 limit on vaping products either. That's how they feel about protecting their kids, a lot of empty talk to fool a few idiots into believing they were serious, but in the end, no action.
Of course you would have it no other way!!
 
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