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JEDIYoda

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No, it has everything to do with the hypocrisy of making vaping a hot-button issue. Just cheap headline grabbing and scare-mongering from clueless politicians who have no idea how to handle REAL problems. Do a freaking blood test on these kids to measure sugar and cholesterol levels and nobody will give a rats ass about the dangers of vaping. On list of things that are killing teens vaping is about as dire a threat as tripping over their own shoe laces.
How is it a hot button issue? What is being reported is not the truth! Not from FOX news!! Headline grabbing? Let me guess you were somebody who said that when it was proven that smoking is bad for you?? I bet your an anti - vaxer.....
Your are babling incoherently about vaping! You must be a vaper!
Perhaps they are so concerned about vaping because there is a real problem.....well duh....
Denying there is a problem will not make the problem go away......oh wait -- that is not what Trump would say!! Trump would say if you scrream at the top of your lungs for long enough then the problem will go away!!
 
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lxskllr

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CDC estimates 9m adults(in USA) vape regularly. If we bump the numbers of death and illness up to 1k(more than double the amount stated above), that gives a .011% negative reaction. Tripping over shoelaces is probably a greater threat.

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So...that has nothing to do with the problems that vaping is causing...….

AGREED


No, it has everything to do with the hypocrisy of making vaping a hot-button issue. Just cheap headline grabbing and scare-mongering from clueless politicians who have no idea how to handle REAL problems. Do a freaking blood test on these kids to measure sugar and cholesterol levels and nobody will give a rats ass about the dangers of vaping. On list of things that are killing teens vaping is about as dire a threat as tripping over their own shoe laces.

I am surprised you haven't drawn an association to the gun violence and vaping.

Today, researchers report that vaping may modify the genetic material, or DNA, in the oral cells of users, which could increase their cancer risk.

In light of all the information from so many different sources; it seems that vaping is a health risk

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180820085208.htm
 
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JEDIYoda

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CDC estimates 9m adults(in USA) vape regularly. If we bump the numbers of death and illness up to 1k(more than double the amount stated above), that gives a .011% negative reaction. Tripping over shoelaces is probably a greater threat.

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That's still does nothing to negate the current problem!! I feel like we are debating whether smoking is good or bad once again!1 All these meaningless supposed statistics! They have nothing to do with the current problem!! It is possible for almost any debate about a subject to find stats that asgree with whatever your point of view!!
 

LikeLinus

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Personal Opinion, Vaping is stupid. It's nothing more than substituting tobacco for another inhaled chemical. How many years did it take them to figure out that smoking was bad? Vaping is new and you have no ideal about the long term effects are. Smoking anything isn't good for your lungs, but people who vape are smoking things that have no long term evidence and they really don't know what impact it has on their body. I have a feeling that smoking vape BS is equal to Asbestos long term, lol.

It's a bit like saying "Hey, I stopped doing coke!", but I'm doing speed and It's so much healthier. lol
 

lxskllr

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That's still does nothing to negate the current problem!! I feel like we are debating whether smoking is good or bad once again!1 All these meaningless supposed statistics! They have nothing to do with the current problem!! It is possible for almost any debate about a subject to find stats that asgree with whatever your point of view!!
There isn't a problem aside from people cheaping out and buying blackmarket garbage. I wish the rest of of life came with a .01% failure rate. It would be a fuckin' utopia.
 

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Trump says he is going to ban many favored "E"" cigarettes.
IMO he should ban vaping completely.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-considering-ban-on-nontobacco-flavored-vaping-products-11568220504

time to buy tobacco stock.

its all bullshit red herring. people are doing something and busy body pricks gotta stick their noses in an say BAD i dont like it so we are banning it.

Maybe Trump should ban all tobacco? now that is something i can get behind. Smoking cigarettes absolutely 100% is bad and will kill you. so why not ban it?
 

JEDIYoda

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time to buy tobacco stock.

its all bullshit red herring. people are doing something and busy body pricks gotta stick their noses in an say BAD i dont like it so we are banning it.

Maybe Trump should ban all tobacco? now that is something i can get behind. Smoking cigarettes absolutely 100% is bad and will kill you. so why not ban it?
TRIGGERED!!!!
Read and weep --
According to Trump, the FDA is going to ban the sales of all flavored ecigs in about 2 weeks.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azaran announced that newly proposed enforcement policy would require flavored e-cigarette companies to take their products off the market.

"It'll take several weeks for us to put out the final guidance that will announce all the parameters around the enforcement policy, and then there will likely be about a 30-day delay to effective date, as is customary," Azar said. But "at that point all flavored e-cigarettes other than tobacco flavor would have to be removed from the market."
 

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CDC estimates 9m adults(in USA) vape regularly. If we bump the numbers of death and illness up to 1k(more than double the amount stated above), that gives a .011% negative reaction. Tripping over shoelaces is probably a greater threat.

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It wouldn't surprise me if there ended up being notably more vapers and more than double the amount of deaths. Vaping hasn't been around all that long to start causing these issues. And its become a what seems like a large issue in a lot of schools. I know around here its a much bigger issue than smoking has been in the last decade.


time to buy tobacco stock.

They spent a fair bit of money to buy into vaping companies
 

Oyeve

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I prefer the tobacco flavors as I got a JUUL to stop smoking cigs. So this banning of flavors won't directly impact me. But, I don't think this will stop whatever the gov wants to stop. We all know that laws won't stop squat. It will just make the black market more money.
 

JEDIYoda

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not to mention the flavored cigarillos and swisher sweets. If the gov tries to ban flavors i bet it will get challenged.
hardly!! You know its going to happen, regardless!!
Bend over and prepare to be assimulated!! Resistance is futile!!
 

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Making your own juice isn't exactly hard. All this ban will do is drive more black market sales that seem to be the problem here in the first place.
 

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Your are babling incoherently about vaping! You must be a vaper!

ROFL!! OMG, thank you for that, it's the funniest thing ever posted here. It's about 4 rungs below a witty response like "Bet your mom''s gay!! Was that really a vengeful burn in your sad little mind?

No, not a vaper, a former smoker and there was not a single moment when lighting up cancer sticks that I was unaware of the potential dangers on inhaling hot smoke into my lungs and it's the same for vapers.

This is just monumentally pathetic because it's hypocrites banging at low hanging fruit hoping to make themselves look concerned. "Oh no!! Think of the poor children!! We must protect them!!" is so manipulative and condescending that I laugh at anyone who goes there wondering who they think would be stupid enough to get fooled by something so gutlessly transparent. Then you come along and prove that they're right and there really is an audience that can be fooled by something so gutlessly transparent.

Yes, vaping is dangerous. Everyone with an ounce of sense knew that from the second it started. An official decree on that subject carries as much weight as a proclamation that sticking bottle rockets up your ass and then lighting them might result in a burned taint. Really? Are you sure?!!?!? Thank you so much for the warning, I never would have figured that out on my own without the government nanny state there to protect me from my own stupid decisions.

Where the fuck was the city of Milwaukee for the last 10 years. Why are they saying anything now? Because it's trendy and it gets attention. The only thing anyone in Milwaukee is interested in protecting is their own careers and they're jumping on this because it's finally a no-lose situation. It requires no commitment, no sacrifice, no sticking your neck out where you might be wrong. Mr Mackey voice. "Vaping is bad, mmmkay? You shouldn't vape, mmmmkay?" Wow, how profound. If Milwaukee gave a rats ass about actually protecting anyone they'd ban sales of cigarettes and vaping supplies entirely. They know kids are getting them and they know they're dangerous, but the protection is not nearly as important as those sin tax dollars, got to keep the gravy train rolling.

On the list of things killing teenagers, vaping is like what, number 10,427 behind smoking, drinking, diabetes, texting and driving, razor scooters and probably improperly tied shoelaces account for more casualties too. So who the fuck is Milwaukee protecting. Does anyone in government really believe that "We told kids its dangerous, that will get them to stop" is actually going to work? Even you can't be stupid enough to buy that. If Milwaukee really had a commitment to helping anyone, they'd actually DO something. But they won't because talk is cheap and there are always a few people stupid enough to believe that politicians talking is for anyones benefit other than their own love of cameras and microphones. Vaping is a tiny, minuscule problem and any government with an ounce of guts would be directing efforts at something that really matters. Vaping as a cause is just cheap talk designed to fool morons. Mission accomplished.

Let's see Milwaukee actually do something concrete and constructive to protect kids. Let's see some resources directed with an effort towards accomplishing something. A government warning is going to convince exactly nobody. They know that and deep down, even you do too. It's empty posturing.
 
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JEDIYoda

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ROFL!! OMG, thank you for that, it's the funniest thing ever posted here. It's about 4 rungs below a witty response like "Bet your mom''s gay!! Was that really a vengeful burn in your sad little mind?

No, not a vaper, a former smoker and there was not a single moment when lighting up cancer sticks that I was unaware of the potential dangers on inhaling hot smoke into my lungs and it's the same for vapers.

This is just monumentally pathetic because it's hypocrites banging at low hanging fruit hoping to make themselves look concerned. "Oh no!! Think of the poor children!! We must protect them!!" is so manipulative and condescending that I laugh at anyone who goes there wondering who they think would be stupid enough to get fooled by something so gutlessly transparent. Then you come along and prove that they're right and there really is an audience that can be fooled by something so gutlessly transparent.

Yes, vaping is dangerous. Everyone with an ounce of sense knew that from the second it started. An official decree on that subject carries as much weight as a proclamation that sticking bottle rockets up your ass and then lighting them might result in a burned taint. Really? Are you sure?!!?!? Thank you so much for the warning, I never would have figured that out on my own without the government nanny state there to protect me from my own stupid decisions.

Where the fuck was the city of Milwaukee for the last 10 years. Why are they saying anything now? Because it's trendy and it gets attention. The only thing anyone in Milwaukee is interested in protecting is their own careers and they're jumping on this because it's finally a no-lose situation. It requires no commitment, no sacrifice, no sticking your neck out where you might be wrong. Mr Mackey voice. "Vaping is bad, mmmkay? You shouldn't vape, mmmmkay?" Wow, how profound. If Milwaukee gave a rats ass about actually protecting anyone they'd ban sales of cigarettes and vaping supplies entirely. They know kids are getting them and they know they're dangerous, but the protection is not nearly as important as those sin tax dollars, got to keep the gravy train rolling.

On the list of things killing teenagers, vaping is like what, number 10,427 behind smoking, drinking, diabetes, texting and driving, razor scooters and probably improperly tied shoelaces account for more casualties too. So who the fuck is Milwaukee protecting. Does anyone in government really believe that "We told kids its dangerous, that will get them to stop" is actually going to work? Even you can't be stupid enough to buy that. If Milwaukee really had a commitment to helping anyone, they'd actually DO something. But they won't because talk is cheap and there are always a few people stupid enough to believe that politicians talking is for anyones benefit other than their own love of cameras and microphones. Vaping is a tiny, minuscule problem and any government with an ounce of guts would be directing efforts at something that really matters. Vaping as a cause is just cheap talk designed to fool morons. Mission accomplished.

Let's see Milwaukee actually do something concrete and constructive to protect kids. Let's see some resources directed with an effort towards accomplishing something. A government warning is going to convince exactly nobody. They know that and deep down, even you do too. It's empty posturing.
You are too gunny!! Nice try at running with the big boys!! Sounds like you have issues with the city of Milwaukee......
 

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Vaping IRRESPONSIBLY is dangerous and can be quite lethal.

I disagree that Vaping is 100% safe, but based on my experience and many others, if done RESPONSIBLY, it is MUCH safer than cigarettes and ABSOLUTELY more effective at quitting cigarettes than patches or gums.

All these headlines that say "they said vaping was 100% safe, they lied" etc., and even people on this forum just repeat those claims in outrage like a broken record. LOL.. Gotta wonder WHO said those things? 8 years vaping - NEVER met ANYONE in the industry that claimed it is 100% safe and I personally have NEVER told anyone that it is 100% safe.

Fact is NO ONE knows 100% the long-term(20years+) effects of vaping. But as I know what chemicals and carcinogens that comprise of cigarette smoke that goes into people's lungs are just plainly stupid suicide-level bad, I also know from studies and by controlling my e-liquid composition what goes into vapes that goes into my lungs and it is in my opinion at worst, it is even less of health risk than taking a daytime walk mired in downtown metropolis smog. I have no proof derived from reputable, sanctioned laboratory studies - only my health experience and what I think is a reasonable deduction based on facts & experiences that I have had.

Agree that there should be smart regulation that keep vaping away from curious teenagers who usually lack the maturity for proper usage. The original intention was to help quit cigarettes and keep them quit after all - not recreation use for non-smokers to get addicted to nicotine. As it is, the society has a mind of its own when it makes something a fad and let things get out of control...

Personal story is 20 years smoking - always had shortness of breath, severe cold 2-3 times a year with severe cold symptoms lasting about a month each, nasty coughs, etc.,

Vaping for 8 years - ALL respiratory symptoms are gone year 1 and I've had 1 cold every 2 years with symptoms disappearing after at most 2 days.

Prior to Vaping - tried gum and patch multiple times at different occasions - neither worked more than 2 weeks.

Here is what you all don't understand about vaping in USA :

Vaping "BUSINESS" that you all think is owned by money-grubbing, greedy people are 90%+ owned and operated by former cigarette smokers that quit smoking via Vaping from my experience. Sure, their bottom line still is important but these are people who started their business not only for money but to help others quit smoking and help keeping them off cigarettes. This is why even WITHOUT government regulation, the vaping industry in US do not use dangerous chemicals such as diacetyl while same cannot be said of products from other countries and black market.

Another thing of note - if you think there's just "TONS" of money to be made to be in vaping business ... LOL - it is saturated enough with enough meaningful competition that it's like any other industry - only good business model survives and profit margins are getting thinner by the day.

Oh and those of you who think vaping should be "tobacco" product since it contains nicotine (although there are LOT of e-liquids sold with 0 nicotine) -- get the nic gum & patch branded as "tobacco" first, then there would be no objections here. Neither in my opinion are "smart" regulation as it would make it far more difficult for many current smokers to get the help they need to quit.

Personally, it is stupid how vaping industry is being used as a headliner for media and political agendas.

While I don't think tobacco industry is the primary lobbyist against vaping, but rather pharmaceutical companies who have MUCH MORE to lose if people stopped smoking cigarettes which would diminish their profits on all those potential long-term patients that suffers from respiratory diseases, lung cancer, etc., and drugs that are needed to treat/alleviate those conditions.

But this all is just a biased opinion of Vaper who successfully quit cigarettes and rediscovered a healthier living.
 

JEDIYoda

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I don`t think anybody can disagre that vaping has helped people quit Snoking!
But as far as being biased how? Are all these teenagers faking their sickness? Faking their lung disease?

What I do see is the government -- be it the FDA or whoever coming down hard on Vaping because there is a feel of guilt that they never came down hard on Cigarette smoking until a lot of people had died!!


Granted there have been people to this day who smike cigarettes and suffer no harmful effects! There have been people who have lived u=into old age who smoked everyday!! Does that mean we use them as examples of cigarette smoking being safe??
 

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Like I said - there needs to be "smart" regulation regarding the issue of teenagers and take down these black market stuff and unverified overseas products all without limiting access to proper usage of right products for people how are in need.

That being said, teenagers will do what they do - history of tragedy among teens are riddled with drug abuse, drunk/wreckless driving, or even sniffing glue for pete's sakes... But we don't ban everything due to misuse.

The issue I find in this thread are the people with limited understanding based on practically propaganda in the media and political bias, clamoring for extreme actions - which you've already seen plenty of throughout these posts.

Let me put it this way - as I started vaping I have searched the internet for any laboratory studies done over the past 8 years or so regarding health risk of vaping. I have read probably more hours than I should of these studies BOTH for and against vaping in terms of its health risk - and I still take the time to read any new research as I find them. It's amazing how biased both for and against vaping some of these reports are (starting with obvious bias inherent in some researcher entities based on who funded those case studies lol) and truly scientific reports are few and far between.

My opinions are based on these experiences. Doesn't mean there are no tragedies related to vaping going on nor do I dismiss them as false.

To me, it just means that vaping is a relatively new thing for just about everyone and people need to learn and understand what it is exactly.

It's simple really, don't just take all the negative media reports and politically motivated statements at heart to form your opinion - read some of what vaping industry is saying and their point of view.

After such a process - if a person still feels vaping in US is such a health risk - that opinion I can respect and I would suspect that such a person would be able to state good constructive argument against vaping and not one that repeats whatever they "heard" from the mass media sensationalism.