City of Milwaukee urges everyone who lives there to stop vaping immediately

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JEDIYoda

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What I don`t understand if you will -- we all knew cigarettes were bad for you! Yet there was a time in these forums when if you brought the fact that cigarettes were bad for you, the discussion would turn into a bunch of name calling and unfounded allegations that they were NOT bad for you!
Now we have vaping and granted quite a few people quit when they switched to vaping -- YEAH@!!!
But can we agree that perhaps those people are in the minority and vaping is actually bad for you regardless if it all natural plant based or meat based or chemical based??
I seriously doubt the lumgs were designed for inhaling anything but fresh air......
 
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I started using a JUUL device a few months ago after smoking cigs for nearly 40 years and I haven't had one in months and do not miss it. On my JUUL I buy only from one store thats been around for years and I only use JUUL pods and only salt-nic juice from one well known company. I don't experiment of add crap to my pod and found it very helpful in quitting cigs. I think the tobacco companies are starting some BS suits and claims for who knows, maybe they tainted some products. :)

I hope you realize that tobacco companies have actually invested big in the vaping industry (in fact, Atria, who owns JUUL, you might recognize their original name, Philip Morris, as in Philip Morris that sells tobacco products). They initially balked but then realized they could just buy their way into a lucrative new market that will likely help keep their original market alive, it was a no brainer. Well their original market has actually still been thriving as they've just started exporting their stuff (but they've been concerned about cheap Chinese cigarettes undercutting them though, but its not like they can go "yeah but think how harmful those Chinese cigarettes are to your health!" with a straight face).

Now, that being said, in this instance, since it seems linked to THC vaping products, I could see tobacco companies having tried to enable counterfeit or contaminated stuff getting to consumers, as a means of harming marijuana based products, and at garnering help in trying to stem cheaper foreign products from undercutting them.

But the belief that its big tobacco trying to destroy vaping doesn't work since the vaping industry will be beneficial to them longer term (if you quit smoking, you've likely wanted to quit, which means you've probably tried other means of quitting before; and while vaping has helped some people quit tobacco products, I'd guess its majorly outweighed by the number of people that wanted to smoke but didn't because of the health issues, that now vape and are likely to get addicted to nicotine and thus more likely to use tobacco, or even if they just stick to vaping, if they buy into the vape industry, they'll still get to reap reward of getting people addicted). Plus, I bet a lot of people that "quit" will be frequent users justifying it as not being that harmful.
 

NAC4EV

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Sorry for that, I meant to say.

If you don't know where it came from.
It can't hurt you right???
 

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That's good. Doesn't mean you get to magically ignore that vaping has led to a lot of people (especially younger ones that were actively not using tobacco because they knew it was bad for them) getting hooked on nicotine (which many vape companies deliberately targeted younger people, just like tobacco companies used to try and target kids) and many of them moving to tobacco products. Vaping is, generally (but as we see here not always), healthier than smoking tobacco (although in this instance its people that probably otherwise would be consuming pot in some other form), that does not make it healthy. Just like how the nicotine gum needed some manner of vetting, I don't think its all that crazy if we'd have required vaping companies to have to go similar route and undergo extensive testing before making it legally widespread.

Wow, vaping your own farts, that's a new one. That's some next level pretension and you've managed to even outdo the pretentious foodies smelling their own farts. Impressive. Admittedly that actually would be better as vaporizing should destroy the bacteria, so that you blowing that in people's faces shouldn't give them pink eye.

I doubt its less that they trusted it and more that they didn't have any clue where it came from. And a lot of people think vaping stuff follows some strict regulations when they don't. Its one of the things I've had to argue with people about over time with this shit.

"Its just water vapor!" No its not. "It doesn't have the stuff that's in cigarettes!" It has nicotine. "No it doesn't, its just flavoring!" Yes it is flavored like candy to appeal to young people and idiots that otherwise couldn't handle the products that nicotine normally comes in, but it largely does have nicotine in it. "Its regulated, they wouldn't let them put bad stuff in it!" Uh, actually they haven't even properly tested it and the FDA doesn't regulate nearly as much as you think, plus uh, they let tobacco products and plenty of other harmful shit be legal, let alone the various ways that people bypass regulations. "It keeps me from smoking cigarettes!" Good, assuming you were actually smoking cigarettes before versus taking up vaping when you didn't actually use to smoke cigarettes, wherein now because of the nicotine you'll be more likely to get addicted and in the absence of vaping products, you'll be more likely to take up smoking cigarettes. "How dare you point out flaws in the thing that's helped some tobacco users stop using tobacco!"

Holy hell, you certainly don't like vaping. And yes I can ignore idiot kids just like everyone ignored me when I started smoking at 17 and I care even less what stupid thing grown adults do to their bodies.

Now as to the topic at hand I completely believe that vaping, in moderate amounts, with quality products is less harmful than cigarettes. I went from coughing up blood due to smoking to being able to breath again when vaping. I had tried to quit before but it never stuck, I needed something to do with my hands and cigarettes were so easy to get. Vaping got me off smoking pretty much cold turkey once I had a decent setup. From day one of vaping I had intended to use it to quit. Over time I lowered the nic level to zero and then only had to worry about the habit when I stopped. I am at 6 weeks now completely clean and hardly a craving, I'm done.

But not once during the entire time I was vaping did I think that using unknown fluid or other components was a good idea. I put that in the same category as taking hand rolled cigarettes from unknown sources, do it and you get what you deserve. That being said, vaporizing various compounds into your lungs cannot be healthy and I recommend that no one does it no matter the source.

I had several smokers tell me the same thing when I first started, all those people are still smoking today. I do not recommend anyone start vaping unless they are using it to get off of cigarettes. But no one asks my opinion so they can go ahead and hop into the suicide booths for all I care.
 
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Zanovar

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Wtf have you got against vaping?.and those links are fucking ridic.And again you silly twat
 

JEDIYoda

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Wtf have you got against vaping?.and those links are fucking ridic.And again you silly twat
It is obvious that something is terribly wrong and can and will get worse! Nobody has anything persay against vaping! We just want to see people be able to live without the harmful effects of vaping!!
What do you have against people living and being able to breath normally??
 

Zanovar

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Obvious that somothing is terrbly wrong?stop scaremongering.Wanker
 

JEDIYoda

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Obvious that somothing is terrbly wrong?stop scaremongering.Wanker
People are dying......people are going to emergency with breathing problems and people are being admitted to the hospital with breathing issues. The one common denominator is -- VAPING -- so srry it has gone beyond fear mongering to beinga bonafide issue!!
You must be a vaper??? So sorry but when most news outlets point out what I just posted above and NO news outlet is repudiating what I just posted -- something is wrong!! Deal with it, buttercup!!
 

Zanovar

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People are dying......people are going to emergency with breathing problems and people are being admitted to the hospital with breathing issues. The one common denominator is -- VAPING -- so srry it has gone beyond fear mongering to beinga bonafide issue!!
You must be a vaper??? So sorry but when most news outlets point out what I just posted above and NO news outlet is repudiating what I just posted -- something is wrong!! Deal with it, buttercup!!

Bit of a story for ya.A guy walked his dog the other day and had a heart attck and happened to vape.And buttercup? i would pay for your airfair anyplace on the planet.
 

JEDIYoda

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Bit of a story for ya.A guy walked his dog the other day and had a heart attck and happened to vape.And buttercup? i would pay for your airfair anyplace on the planet.
Dude are you really that stupid to post your story?? You just shot yourself in the foot! Of coursr the heart attack could have been caused by vaping but a heart attack is a heart attack!! No -- I don't want my ticket!!

I will ask you a question? All those people who are having breathing problems are you trying to say that there p[roblems are just randomly happenning? Your crazy!! Docotors know more than you do and they have stated the issues are due to vaping!!
I can`t believe that you are that nieve that youi cannot see the truth that is in front of your buttercup face!!
That is OK!! Your probably an anti-vaxer also and you probably believe that smoking is healthy!!
 

Zanovar

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Dude are you really that stupid to post your story?? You just shot yourself in the foot! Of coursr the heart attack could have been caused by vaping but a heart attack is a heart attack!! No -- I don't want my ticket!!

I will ask you a question? All those people who are having breathing problems are you trying to say that there p[roblems are just randomly happenning? Your crazy!! Docotors know more than you do and they have stated the issues are due to vaping!!
I can`t believe that you are that nieve that youi cannot see the truth that is in front of your buttercup face!!
That is OK!! Your probably an anti-vaxer also and you probably believe that smoking is healthy!!

nvm again
 

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And I concur. If you vape, stop doing it permanently... NOW! Same with anything tobacco. OK, maybe have a very occasional really good cigar. I've smoked one cigar in the last 40+ years, at my nephew's party where they distributed them.
 

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So...that has nothing to do with the problems that vaping is causing...….

No, it has everything to do with the hypocrisy of making vaping a hot-button issue. Just cheap headline grabbing and scare-mongering from clueless politicians who have no idea how to handle REAL problems. Do a freaking blood test on these kids to measure sugar and cholesterol levels and nobody will give a rats ass about the dangers of vaping. On list of things that are killing teens vaping is about as dire a threat as tripping over their own shoe laces.
 
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