City of Milwaukee urges everyone who lives there to stop vaping immediately

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RadiclDreamer

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Vaping is not healthy.
Coating your lungs with oil is not healthy.
Sucking on the exhaust pipe of a transit bus is just as bad.

Its not oil, its polypropylene glycol and vegetable glycerin with added flavors and may or may not contain nicotine.

I'm not saying its a healthy habit, but I will say that I've had tons of family members either quit completely with ecigs or at least got off the "real thing".

My wife for example used to hack her lungs up every night and she would have rather had her hands removed than stop smoking. After switching to vaping she no longer coughs, she no longer wheezes and overall feels much better.

Kids should never be getting hold of them, but there are already laws against it, we should be enforcing them and holding vendors accountable for selling to kids just like we would with regular cigarettes.

As far as vaping in public spaces, im a little torn. Someone who is using it discretely and not blowing some massive obnoxious cloud that smells like cupcake farts is fine, but the wanna be dragons just reek of disrespectful punks and they ruin it for everyone else. Nobody wants to walk through the mall and smell that crap, we get it YOU VAPE. :rolleyes:

Every bad outcome ive seen from vaping has usually been some grey market garbage especially that which is supposedly infused with THC or CBD. You buy chinese garbage in this arena you get what you get, stick with a reputable vendor, they are responsible because they dont want massive regulations placed on the industry.
 
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zinfamous

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Vaping is not healthy.


E-cigarettes are devices that heat a liquid into an aerosol that the user inhales. The liquid usually has nicotine and flavoring in it, and other additives. The nicotine in e-cigarettes and regular cigarettes is addictive. E-cigarettes are considered tobacco products because most of them contain nicotine, which comes from tobacco.

Besides nicotine, e-cigarettes can contain harmful and potentially harmful ingredients, including:

  • ultrafine particles that can be inhaled deep into the lungs
  • flavorants such as diacetyl, a chemical linked to serious lung disease
  • volatile organic compounds
  • heavy metals, such as nickel, tin, and lead

whoa! volatile organic compounds! That's probably as dangerous as dihydrogen monoxide!
 
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Luna1968

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Vaping is not healthy.


E-cigarettes are devices that heat a liquid into an aerosol that the user inhales. The liquid usually has nicotine and flavoring in it, and other additives. The nicotine in e-cigarettes and regular cigarettes is addictive. E-cigarettes are considered tobacco products because most of them contain nicotine, which comes from tobacco.

Besides nicotine, e-cigarettes can contain harmful and potentially harmful ingredients, including:

  • ultrafine particles that can be inhaled deep into the lungs
  • flavorants such as diacetyl, a chemical linked to serious lung disease
  • volatile organic compounds
  • heavy metals, such as nickel, tin, and lead

list your source. Diacetyl has not been in vape juice for many years, and only some companies used it.
 
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Fritzo

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10 years ago when vape pens started appearing, my first question was "how do you know they're not dangerous, it's not been tested."

"It's just water vapor!" they yelled back angrily.

"It's FLAVORED water vapor...what's the flavoring made of? It's not good to inhale any foreign chemical into your lungs."

"It's all natural you moron!" they replied.

...and here we are. When you get a certain age and have a certain level of experience, you see patterns in capitalism: New idea -> Push idea -> Idea becomes fad -> People defend fad as miracle solution -> Questions about solution are asked -> Market resistance -> Truth is discovered -> fad disappears -> Repeat with new idea.

What blows my mind is people basing businesses selling this stuff. I'm sure it'll be around a long time and you'll be able to retire comfortably selling vape oils :rolleyes:
 

Zanovar

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It stopped me smoking tobbaco.Currently on 3mg nic.Post 22 summed this thread up best.Some posts in this thread are scary.:S(silly),possibly uninformed.more info needed for them for sure(for me too)
 
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local

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Vaping broke my 14 year smoking habit and I quit vaping over a month ago as well. The part that amazed me with vaping was the people who trusted juice that was made in China. I either made my own or used juice that was made onsite to my specs. Premade stuff that contained who knows what from who knows where scared the shit out of me.
 

VirtualLarry

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I know of at least two people, that used to smoke, semi-heavily, and now vape regularly. They either buy US-made Juices, or make their own. Neither has shown me to have any health problems, over and above from what they had from smoking before.

I'm not quite of the opinion that vaping is 100% safe, and I would really doubt that it would be in any way safe, if using cheap Chinese-made juices, but still... I think that it is better than smoking, overall.

But the nicotine content, it's actually EASIER to get hooked on higher nicotine levels while vaping, I feel, than with smoking. You gotta watch it, and hopefully cut down the nicotine levels as you vape, month by month, or year by year. IMHO, don't go UP nicotine levels, that's just asking for problems.
 
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whm1974

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So the moral of the story is that if you must vape, don't use devices and juices from China and either purchase both of them made in the US and/or make the juice yourself.

Is the FDA or DEA currently requlating vapers and vaping liquids?
 
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Zanovar

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I have less than 100mls left of pure nic.:S.Just checked various place in the UK selling the stuff.the prices have gone up.wholesale lol,fuck off and sell me the stuff
 

brandonbull

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/29/health/milwaukee-stop-vaping-trnd/index.html

Fuck these companies. I am very anti-vape and this doesn't surprise me in the least.

By the way, my son is a senior in high school and he says there are quite a lot of people in his school who vape. He also admitted to me that he has tried it. I had him watch a news story last week in which a kid not much older than he is was admitted to the hospital with severe lung damage and they think it is due to vaping. Hopefully, it scared my son straight... I think I'd rather he smoke cigarettes quite frankly.



Put me on a jury in one of these cases! Please!
Who knew that breathing in large volumes of contaminated air could be harmful?
 

Oyeve

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I started using a JUUL device a few months ago after smoking cigs for nearly 40 years and I haven't had one in months and do not miss it. On my JUUL I buy only from one store thats been around for years and I only use JUUL pods and only salt-nic juice from one well known company. I don't experiment of add crap to my pod and found it very helpful in quitting cigs. I think the tobacco companies are starting some BS suits and claims for who knows, maybe they tainted some products. :)
 

JEDIYoda

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The problem with that study is it appears to be a blind sided attempt at criminalizing Cannibus, when we all know that people have been using cannibus for years and I am not sure if I recall any deaths from just using cannibus…..
Yet if you watxch somebody vape it obviously is not good for you. Just ;look it how much vapor is expelled and the deep white color...….
I would bet you our lungs were not set up to safely inhale and exhale that amount of whatever it is!!
I remember havinga friend who was fired from work not for vaping so to speask, but because he wouldnt respect others and would vape and fill the room with the white vapor!! Anyways I dont do either so carry on!!!
 
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Vaping broke my 14 year smoking habit and I quit vaping over a month ago as well. The part that amazed me with vaping was the people who trusted juice that was made in China. I either made my own or used juice that was made onsite to my specs. Premade stuff that contained who knows what from who knows where scared the shit out of me.

That's good. Doesn't mean you get to magically ignore that vaping has led to a lot of people (especially younger ones that were actively not using tobacco because they knew it was bad for them) getting hooked on nicotine (which many vape companies deliberately targeted younger people, just like tobacco companies used to try and target kids) and many of them moving to tobacco products. Vaping is, generally (but as we see here not always), healthier than smoking tobacco (although in this instance its people that probably otherwise would be consuming pot in some other form), that does not make it healthy. Just like how the nicotine gum needed some manner of vetting, I don't think its all that crazy if we'd have required vaping companies to have to go similar route and undergo extensive testing before making it legally widespread.

Wow, vaping your own farts, that's a new one. That's some next level pretension and you've managed to even outdo the pretentious foodies smelling their own farts. Impressive. Admittedly that actually would be better as vaporizing should destroy the bacteria, so that you blowing that in people's faces shouldn't give them pink eye.

I doubt its less that they trusted it and more that they didn't have any clue where it came from. And a lot of people think vaping stuff follows some strict regulations when they don't. Its one of the things I've had to argue with people about over time with this shit.

"Its just water vapor!" No its not. "It doesn't have the stuff that's in cigarettes!" It has nicotine. "No it doesn't, its just flavoring!" Yes it is flavored like candy to appeal to young people and idiots that otherwise couldn't handle the products that nicotine normally comes in, but it largely does have nicotine in it. "Its regulated, they wouldn't let them put bad stuff in it!" Uh, actually they haven't even properly tested it and the FDA doesn't regulate nearly as much as you think, plus uh, they let tobacco products and plenty of other harmful shit be legal, let alone the various ways that people bypass regulations. "It keeps me from smoking cigarettes!" Good, assuming you were actually smoking cigarettes before versus taking up vaping when you didn't actually use to smoke cigarettes, wherein now because of the nicotine you'll be more likely to get addicted and in the absence of vaping products, you'll be more likely to take up smoking cigarettes. "How dare you point out flaws in the thing that's helped some tobacco users stop using tobacco!"