Citigroup To End Two Credit Practices

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[/quote]Citigroup to End Two Credit Practices
Action on Interest Rates Comes Between Senate Sessions Probing Industry

By Kathleen Day
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 2, 2007; Page D02

Citigroup, the nation's second-largest credit card issuer, said yesterday that it will stop imposing two common interest-rate charges that consumer groups and some members of Congress have criticized as unfair and abusive.

Citigroup said it was halting a practice known as "universal default," under which a cardholder's interest rate on a Citibank card increases if the holder is late on a payment for another, non-Citibank credit card. Several major credit card issuers have universal-default policies.

Citigroup said it also would no longer reserve the right to raise a customer's credit card interest rate at "any time for any reason," a policy also common in the industry.


The company said the only reason rates and fees would increase now would be because "a customer pays Citi late, exceeds the credit limit or pays with a check that bounces."

The action comes on the heels of a Senate Banking Committee hearing in January on credit-card-industry practices and a week before the Senate permanent subcommittee on investigations, part of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, holds a similar session.

A spokesman for Citigroup, the nation's largest financial-services firm, said the timing of its announcement was a coincidence and was not intended to head off possible legislation banning the practices it says it will voluntarily end.

"This is a positive step, but Congress still needs to require that all credit card companies play by the same rules of fairness," said Travis Plunkett, legislative director of the nonprofit Consumer Federation of America. "This is a volunteer action. They could change their mind in a week. And unless Congress acts, there will always be players who will be tempted to make more money by using an abusive practice."

The hearings stem in part from questions that were raised by Sens. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.), now Senate Banking Committee chairman, and Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.), now chairman of the investigations subcommittee, during passage of bankruptcy legislation in 2005.

The legislation, which makes it harder for consumers to wipe out debt through bankruptcy, was pushed by the credit card industry and largely supported by Republicans, who then controlled Congress. Dodd, Levin and other lawmakers charged that industry practices such as those that Citigroup ended yesterday help push some consumers into bankruptcy.

Dodd and others had wanted the bankruptcy bill to include limits on some of those practices -- or at least to require companies to spell out how much extra in interest costs a consumer would eventually pay by making only minimum monthly payments. Those provisions were rejected.

Dodd put card companies on notice at the January hearing, saying, "If you currently engage in any business practice that you would be ashamed to discuss before this committee, I would strongly encourage you to cease and desist that practice."[/quote]

While I don't like the Universal Default practice, it IS spelled out in the fine print. My boss is currently carrying a balance on a credit card at 33% interest because he was late making a payment to a different creditor.

Does it suck? Sure! It was in the documentation that it would happen if he was late with a payment on any of his cards, though. If you can't be arsed to read the papers you're signing, you probably shouldn't be signing them.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

While I don't like the Universal Default practice, it IS spelled out in the fine print.

My boss is currently carrying a balance on a credit card at 33% interest because he was late making a payment to a different creditor.

Does it suck? Sure! It was in the documentation that it would happen if he was late with a payment on any of his cards, though. If you can't be arsed to read the papers you're signing, you probably shouldn't be signing them.

33% should be illegal, period

It used to be called loan sharking, now it's Corporate wet dream.
 

spidey07

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Finally some sense. Those two clauses are what I had the most problems with. Especially the "raise your rate at any time for any reason." It was an open ended contract.
 

SSSnail

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Let me go dig up that "Legal Loan Sharking" thread, I know it's somewhere around here...

I'm so glad that I'll be able to kick Citi to the curb in a few days. Screw them and their default rate.
 

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Wait... why shouldn't people who are late/bouncing checks be punished for it?
I'd much rather banks charges them a higher APR while I enjoy my 0.0% intro and 2.9% APR.
 

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Originally posted by: cheapdude
Wait... why shouldn't people who are late/bouncing checks be punished for it?

They should, what people don't get is that credit card debt is unsecured which means they can't take your car or house. If your credit risk goes up, you are more likely to default on a loan, which means they are entitled to a higher interest rate. Any laws that aim to "fix" this so called loan sharking will only result in a lot of less fortunate people being unable to get a credit card. I think people should be able to make the choice for themselves, not the government. Take some personal responsibility and stop using credit cards like an ATM card.

 

mugs

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Originally posted by: SSSnail
Let me go dig up that "Legal Loan Sharking" thread, I know it's somewhere around here...

I'm so glad that I'll be able to kick Citi to the curb in a few days. Screw them and their default rate.

... did you read the article? :confused: Or at least the bold part?
 

SSSnail

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SSSnail
Let me go dig up that "Legal Loan Sharking" thread, I know it's somewhere around here...

I'm so glad that I'll be able to kick Citi to the curb in a few days. Screw them and their default rate.

... did you read the article? :confused: Or at least the bold part?

I did, and I'm fully aware of their practice (currently a victim). I'm just saying screw them, collectively. I don't care now that they decide to pre-emptively cut that garbage before a class action suit take place. Yes, screw them.
 

Acanthus

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I love how they have no period where they correct your rate to reasonable levels again.

Miss one payment, you have to get a new card to get a better rate.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

While I don't like the Universal Default practice, it IS spelled out in the fine print.

My boss is currently carrying a balance on a credit card at 33% interest because he was late making a payment to a different creditor.

Does it suck? Sure! It was in the documentation that it would happen if he was late with a payment on any of his cards, though. If you can't be arsed to read the papers you're signing, you probably shouldn't be signing them.

33% should be illegal, period

It used to be called loan sharking, now it's Corporate wet dream.

But I really, really want a 42" plasma TV and 33% is the interest rate of the only loan I can get :(
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: SSSnail
I did, and I'm fully aware of their practice (currently a victim). I'm just saying screw them, collectively. I don't care now that they decide to pre-emptively cut that garbage before a class action suit take place. Yes, screw them.

Most all offers I have ever seen from all card companies contain these clauses. Gimme a great rate, but there are these two bogus "outs". I can understand overlimit, late, god forbid a bounced check, etc. But these two clauses take the cake.
 

SSSnail

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: SSSnail
I did, and I'm fully aware of their practice (currently a victim). I'm just saying screw them, collectively. I don't care now that they decide to pre-emptively cut that garbage before a class action suit take place. Yes, screw them.

Most all offers I have ever seen from all card companies contain these clauses. Gimme a great rate, but there are these two bogus "outs". I can understand overlimit, late, god forbid a bounced check, etc. But these two clauses take the cake.

Besides that, I don't remember seeing anything like that when I originally signed up with them, which was years ago. I wish I had the original contract, they wont be crying "frivolous" by the time I'm done. I guess they can just take my final payment to them a few days from now.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

While I don't like the Universal Default practice, it IS spelled out in the fine print.

My boss is currently carrying a balance on a credit card at 33% interest because he was late making a payment to a different creditor.

Does it suck? Sure! It was in the documentation that it would happen if he was late with a payment on any of his cards, though. If you can't be arsed to read the papers you're signing, you probably shouldn't be signing them.

33% should be illegal, period

It used to be called loan sharking, now it's Corporate wet dream.


heh anyone t hat takes a loan at 33% deserves it.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: SSSnail
Besides that, I don't remember seeing anything like that when I originally signed up with them, which was years ago. I wish I had the original contract, they wont be crying "frivolous" by the time I'm done. I guess they can just take my final payment to them a few days from now.

I don't think you're getting it yet. This is common practice for most all credit cards. Read the fine print. Always thorougly read any agreement before you agree to it.

I'm actually impressed CitiBank is doing this. I hope other card companies follow suit.
 

SSSnail

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: SSSnail
Besides that, I don't remember seeing anything like that when I originally signed up with them, which was years ago. I wish I had the original contract, they wont be crying "frivolous" by the time I'm done. I guess they can just take my final payment to them a few days from now.

I don't think you're getting it yet. This is common practice for most all credit cards. Read the fine print. Always thorougly read any agreement before you agree to it.

I'm actually impressed CitiBank is doing this. I hope other card companies follow suit.

But I do. I kinda remember waaaayy back in the days, they did spell out everything, and it's usually was 19 - 22% or something of the sort, I never paid much attention to it. 33%, give me a freaking break.

Unless you're talking about the applications that's sent recently, within the last few years.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: SSSnail
But I do. I kinda remember waaaayy back in the days, they did spell out everything, and it's usually was 19 - 22% or something of the sort, I never paid much attention to it. 33%, give me a freaking break.

Unless you're talking about the applications that's sent recently, within the last few years.

I'm talking about maybe the last 5 years. It's variable. Prime + 24 percent or more.