CISPA round two coming up

Darwin333

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A senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee on Friday will reintroduce a controversial bill that would help the public and private sectors share information about cybersecurity threats.

“The reason I’m putting bill in now is I want to keep the momentum going on what’s happening out there in the world,” Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Md.), told The Hill in an interview, referring to the recent Sony hack, which the FBI blamed on North Korea.

The measure — known as the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) — has been a top legislative priority for industry groups and intelligence officials, who argue the country cannot properly defend critical infrastructure without it.
The House passed Ruppersberger’s bill last year, but it stalled in the Senate amid concerns from privacy advocates that it would enable more collection of Americans’ private information.

Ruppersberger lost his 2014 co-sponsor of the bill, former House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), who retired from Congress.

“I’m putting the bill in by myself,” Ruppersberger said, acknowledging it would require work to find new bipartisan support. But by reintroducing the bill, “hopefully that will create momentum,” he added.

Ruppersberger wants to ride the wave of attention on Capitol Hill driven by the cyberattack on Sony, which caused the studio to almost cancel the release of a multimillion-dollar comedy, “The Interview,” which depicts an American plot to assassinate North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. Sony ultimately released the film to a limited number of theaters and streamed it online.

The studio’s initial decision to pull the film drew a wave of criticism from lawmakers. The government’s subsequent announcement that North Korea sponsored the attack caused more lawmakers than ever before to call for action on cybersecurity.

“We have to move forward,” Ruppersberger said.

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/228945-top-house-dem-to-reintroduce-major-cyber-bill


It boggles the mind that the assholes are going to use the hack on Sony to try and ram this craptastic bill down our throats again. At least cite something like China stealing military secrets or something but Sony?

I've also read multiple articles that say that if CISPA had been in place there is absolutely no evidence that it would have prevented the Sony hack. After the Snowden shitstorm how can anyone argue that the NSA needs MORE access to our information without needing a warrant and being as vague as possible to let them basically go after whoever they want whenever they want in the name of preventing a hack against a company releasing a movie?
 

momeNt

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After the Sony attack, I wonder what will keep us safe from cyber-terrorism.

After my childrens' bath and bedtime story the night of the Sony attack, they asked why I gave the ipads, phones, and computers a bath before I washed them (i submerged them in the tub to destroy the electronics). I wiped a tear from my eye and said, because they were dirty and aren't safe to keep in the house anymore my sweet children.

CISPA can give us the security we need after the Sony attack, Americans have a right to feel safe in their own internets.

We need CISPA, and we need it now!
 

IronWing

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It's a win-win-win! Bureaucrats gets to empire build, Congressman gets to pound chest and hug kittens*, and contractors get fat contracts.




Edit: *and a big bag of campaign money.
 
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Darwin333

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The one who's no longer around, meaning it's only a Democrat pushing this?

Yeah, like that.

Come on guys, it passed the house the first time with bipartisan support. If you want to get technical, a much larger percentage of Ds voted against in than voted for it. 192 Republicans voted yea and only 29 nays versus the Dems 92 yeas and 98 nays.

This isn't a partisan issue, both sides want to control our information.
 

gevorg

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What's wrong with CISPA?

As it's written, CISPA won't protect us from cyber threats, but it will violate our 4th Amendment right to privacy:

  • It lets the government spy on you without a warrant.
  • It makes it so you can’t even find out about it after the fact.
  • It makes it so companies can’t be sued when they do illegal things with your data.
  • It allows corporations to cyber-attack each other and individuals outside of the law.
  • It makes every privacy policy on the web a moot point, and violates the 4th amendment.
  • When we say that your information can be shared with "The Government" it's not hyperbole. Federal Agencies from the Fish & Wildlife Service to Amtrak to the NSA could access your data.
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Newell Steamer

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Wasn't this tossed out last time? And, this recent push still contains the same crap that pissed everyone off from the 1st go around?
 

gevorg

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Yep, same as before. They're using the supposed North Korea hack as an excuse to bring back CISPA.
 

hal2kilo

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Wasn't this tossed out last time? And, this recent push still contains the same crap that pissed everyone off from the 1st go around?

Oh well, we always have a crisis to justify destroying our 4th amendment rights. Now the collection of everything is back on the front burner. Just ask Boener. They are coming out of the woodwork, also because of what just happened in Paris.
 

werepossum

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Come on guys, it passed the house the first time with bipartisan support. If you want to get technical, a much larger percentage of Ds voted against in than voted for it. 192 Republicans voted yea and only 29 nays versus the Dems 92 yeas and 98 nays.

This isn't a partisan issue, both sides want to control our information.
Not a partisan issue, but for those keeping score the Demmies are less bad on it. Those of us who lean right and/or favor limited government, take note.
 

nickqt

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so anyone else think that america is not a fascist nation?

I date US Fascism proper beginning around 1947. So many things happened that year and after that basically set it in stone.

Hollywood blacklisting
NSA/CIA (two criminal organizations that need to be dismantled now)
Executive Order 9835 Loyalty Oaths

ad nauseum
 

Darwin333

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Not a partisan issue, but for those keeping score the Demmies are less bad on it. Those of us who lean right and/or favor limited government, take note.

Anytime I hear "less bad" used in the context of politics I think of it as "well, getting raped by a guy with a 7" dick is less bad then getting raped by a guy with a 9" dick", either way you're still involuntarily taking it up the ass.
 

werepossum

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Anytime I hear "less bad" used in the context of politics I think of it as "well, getting raped by a guy with a 7" dick is less bad then getting raped by a guy with a 9" dick", either way you're still involuntarily taking it up the ass.
lol That's an amazingly good analogy for our two-party system. Despite Eskimospy's assertions to the contrary, doesn't seem to me to be many people who actually like either party. Try this: Ask some people which party they support and why. Chances are you'll get some non-specific platitudes about the party of choice (usually the same for both - they support the middle class) followed by a string of specific (though often amusingly inaccurate) specific offenses committed or at least planned by the other party. Not many people seem to actually like their party except in that they aren't the other party, and the more informed is the person, the more this seems true. (Ignorance really is bliss.) We have two parties basically claiming that the other guy is the one with the knee-knocker whereas they just want to give you a backrub.
 

Jeff7

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Obviously this wasn't going to go away because of some Internet protests here and there.


The smart thing to do, on their end anyway, would be to sneak it in a snippet as a time as riders on other bills.

One way or another, it's going to make it into law. It's being pushed by wealthy industries with a lot of influence, as well as by invasive government agencies that don't like being hampered by trifling things like the Bill of Rights.




Anytime I hear "less bad" used in the context of politics I think of it as "well, getting raped by a guy with a 7" dick is less bad then getting raped by a guy with a 9" dick", either way you're still involuntarily taking it up the ass.
And it's the mindset that has Congress at an absurdly-low approval rating, yet the incumbency rate is commonly over 85%.

So we absolutely hate what they're doing but repeatedly vote for more of the same, and then complain that things never change.
 
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Darwin333

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And it's the mindset that has Congress at an absurdly-low approval rating, yet the incumbency rate is commonly over 85%.

So we absolutely hate what they're doing but repeatedly vote for more of the same, and then complain that things never change.

Sadly everyone hates congress but they love their own Congresscritter which is why the same bunch of assholes keep getting reelected.
 

Jeff7

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Sadly everyone hates congress but they love their own Congresscritter which is why the same bunch of assholes keep getting reelected.
And you'd better believe those in office are fully aware of that.

Yet they still spend most of their time campaigning for a job they're virtually guaranteed to win.
And they might as well throw in some redistricting while they're at it, so that the elected can choose their voters.
 

Matt1970

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And it's the mindset that has Congress at an absurdly-low approval rating, yet the incumbency rate is commonly over 85%.

So we absolutely hate what they're doing but repeatedly vote for more of the same, and then complain that things never change.

Well most may hate what those in congress are doing except the one that represents them and gives their district/state all the free shit.