Cisco's Future
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yes.
blades/servers - negative - can't give them away. seriously. shenzen junk.
smb - sucks - they should give it up.
FCOE? nobody really trusts/no standards.
So they should just stick to the areas they have mastered. but that isn't a business model that will be long term given heavier pressure from HP.
blades/servers - negative - can't give them away. seriously. shenzen junk.
smb - sucks - they should give it up.
FCOE? nobody really trusts/no standards.
So they should just stick to the areas they have mastered. but that isn't a business model that will be long term given heavier pressure from HP.
It's more than just the hardware. For a business, you need the support, the maintenance, and frequently scope and depth of the product line to provide an end-to-end solution.
In that regard, IMO, Cisco still wins.
As mentioned, some of the product is far from being the best, performance-wise, feature-wise, or in operationally intuitiveness; but in "the big picture," still likely to be the smartest choice.
For a large network, managing and monitoring a bunch of best-in-class elements manufactured by a bunch of different companies is more of a headache than the increased performance is worth for most organizations. The quality of the staff that implements and maintains the network system plays a big part of it too.
In that regard, IMO, Cisco still wins.
As mentioned, some of the product is far from being the best, performance-wise, feature-wise, or in operationally intuitiveness; but in "the big picture," still likely to be the smartest choice.
For a large network, managing and monitoring a bunch of best-in-class elements manufactured by a bunch of different companies is more of a headache than the increased performance is worth for most organizations. The quality of the staff that implements and maintains the network system plays a big part of it too.
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UCS server line is gobbling up hp's market share like crazy. All the big companies here are moving to it. It's awesome stuff and combined with nexus switches you have one he'll of a simplified and scalable data center. It a game changer.
Thanks.. i gt back from a long trip and haven't been on the net in several years.
It seems like facebook has replaced twitter and php is no longer used that much for this hot thing called rails.
Just making sure cisco is still the bad boy it once was... This ucs looks pretty neat.
I remember vbulletin's forum software used to be all the rage, but now twitter and blog commenting systems are taking over.
The web has definitely changed, it's good to know communities still exist.
It seems like facebook has replaced twitter and php is no longer used that much for this hot thing called rails.
Just making sure cisco is still the bad boy it once was... This ucs looks pretty neat.
I remember vbulletin's forum software used to be all the rage, but now twitter and blog commenting systems are taking over.
The web has definitely changed, it's good to know communities still exist.
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Most of the changes have just been name changes of the same things. Facebook and Twitter are still big, it's just that most people use them at the same time now to update both statuses at the same time. MySpace got raped by Facebook though.
PHP is still pretty dominant, but even if Rails takes over it's the same thing just with slightly different syntax. On the MS side ASP.Net still rules, but once again it's the same stuff from a different vendor. If you're a fan of Visual Studio and C# you'll want ASP.Net, if not you'll want PHP or maybe RoR or even Perl, it all depends on what you want and what your host provides.
Cloud computing is the new name for hosted services but it's actually being accepted positively this time around. Hosted Exchange has been around for years but now things like BPOS are making people think it's new and better when it's the same crap and not even MS does it all that well, given some of our customer's experiences.
To stay on topic, yes Cisco's core business is still the best. But as Emulex says, their other offerings are usually questionable. Like their UC line, CME is terrible and the Java management shit they offer with it is crap. Same goes for their ACD offerings, UCCX takes 100x the amount of work to setup a basic ACD compared to someone like Toshiba. We sell and support both and the Cisco voice stuff takes up a lot more of our time than the Toshiba side. Which from one side is good because we bill for that, but on the other side it makes us look bad because of all of the little things that don't work quite right because Cisco's voice offerings are really just network stuff with voice duct taped on. But I digress...
The more things change, the more they stay the same and damn it makes me feel old...
Xperia, cisco has not been the technology leader in networking for many, many years. However, cisco is able to buy the leader, or second best. Do not discount the value of that.
cisco has good sales and marketing for large customers. Competitors such as Juniper have lousy sales and marketing, and that combined with cisco's current market position makes them an easy choice for a lot of customers. Do not discount the business value of being an easy business choice.
cisco's number one problem in my opinion is that they are expected to have an answer to everything in networking, so they are constantly on the defensive at some level. They have so much market share at this point that the business is theirs to lose, and there are always a lot of hungry start-ups trying hard to take it from them. The main consequence of this is that cisco is truly a value stock now, not a growth stock - it's nearly impossible for cisco to substantially exceed the rate of growth of their market, and the size of their market is increasingly outside cisco's control.
Their UCS line is a bold bet on cisco's part. If it pays off, they have managed to move into a substantially sized new market, which is exactly what they have to do in order to grow. If it does not pay off, they have managed to declare war on some well entrenched companies who used to be big partners of theirs, and those partners will gleefully punish cisco.
cisco has good sales and marketing for large customers. Competitors such as Juniper have lousy sales and marketing, and that combined with cisco's current market position makes them an easy choice for a lot of customers. Do not discount the business value of being an easy business choice.
cisco's number one problem in my opinion is that they are expected to have an answer to everything in networking, so they are constantly on the defensive at some level. They have so much market share at this point that the business is theirs to lose, and there are always a lot of hungry start-ups trying hard to take it from them. The main consequence of this is that cisco is truly a value stock now, not a growth stock - it's nearly impossible for cisco to substantially exceed the rate of growth of their market, and the size of their market is increasingly outside cisco's control.
Their UCS line is a bold bet on cisco's part. If it pays off, they have managed to move into a substantially sized new market, which is exactly what they have to do in order to grow. If it does not pay off, they have managed to declare war on some well entrenched companies who used to be big partners of theirs, and those partners will gleefully punish cisco.
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Their small business/home office stuff is horrible. Same with their consumer branch (Linksys now). If they don't release firmware updates with IPv6 compatibility for home/consumer stuff soon, the rest the the North America population will finally learn the truth that they suck.
No one uses Cisco for their linksys rebranded shit...except for the SPA500 series phones.
The SPA500 phones really are very good phones for the money.
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Agreed their consumer "line" sucks. But that's been their MO with other brands they've bought. They just rebrand it and don't develop it further. But, you get what you pay for.
Their enterprise on the other hand, not so much. And to what small biz products are you referring?
It will be interesting to see what they do in response to Juniper's new HW they just came out with.
And why does the normal user need IPv6 now? All of that will get terminated on some modem anyway and most aren't configurable by the end user, and even then, not in the immediate future. There's no reason to use IPv6 internally to any private network so I don't see that as being a limitation.
alkemyst
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Cisco, NetApp, EMC and VMWare as a whole is a major growth market. These technologies go hand in hand.
The main advantage with Cisco is the expertise behind the sale.
In the Enterprise and Medium to Large businesses it's a major contender. When competing at the sub $50 device market, it loses ground as most shoppers are looking to buy and replace in 6-12months or buy the cheapest device possible.
The main advantage with Cisco is the expertise behind the sale.
In the Enterprise and Medium to Large businesses it's a major contender. When competing at the sub $50 device market, it loses ground as most shoppers are looking to buy and replace in 6-12months or buy the cheapest device possible.
cisco smb pro and smb are definitely > $50
you are thinking more along the valet line consumer junk.
you are thinking more along the valet line consumer junk.
alkemyst
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If you are replying to me, I wasn't discussing Small Business, I was discussing home...also the E4000 is a pretty damn good home device.
Still at this level the average consumer is shopping totally price and ends up picking a netgear or the like for $29.99 on sale.
For Small Business most are still going for that $29.99 device. Whoever is wearing the 'network dude' hat usually ends up picking what he is familiar with.
Cisco really shines at the larger install level and that was my point.
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