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CIS vs. CS degree
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youll hear the above statement from every CS major trying to rationalize a code monkey degree, once they realize their field of choice is being shipped to India.
CIS gives you a strong background in technology and business that can be used in a great many ways in the real world. it makes you an intermediary between tech guys, who cant speak business, and business guys who cant speak technically.
Riverhound777
Diamond Member
There's nothing to say you have to do programming with a CS degree. I was a CS major and am working IT right now doing web design, server installs and maintenance, DB admin, on-site wiring and troubleshooting, printers, ect. I don't do hardly any programming. The business part is much easier to learn than the programming/computer part. thats why CS > CIS.
And you will hear that from ever CIS major trying to make themselves feel better that they weren't smart enough to get the CS degree.
I have a CS degree and rarely write code. I work in a hospital setting taking care of the Radiology systems, implementing new software, improving software, writing plans, downtime procedures, etc. The fact is that in CS degrees only a few classes are actually programming classes. I would say that the algorithms classes have been the best use as I can come up with good algorithms for almost any situation, computer oriented or not.
ngvepforever2
Golden Member
that's a bunch of bull, all the programmers I have worked with can speak business and make quite a lot of money. Most of them have a CS degree (or a masters). CS >CIS .
Regards
ng
I saw an article in one of the more reputable magazines (fortune, something like that.) It essentially stated that CS is going the way of business. At my school we must take software engineering courses and such so we do have business background. Only 2 of my courses were actually programming only courses, where most others were about design, etc.
CS gives you a very in depth knowledge of what is happening and how it is happening and can lead to better choices when making decisions about software and software design. CS >> CIS. If you want to do business, get an MBA and minor in CIS or CS.
CS gives you a very in depth knowledge of what is happening and how it is happening and can lead to better choices when making decisions about software and software design. CS >> CIS. If you want to do business, get an MBA and minor in CIS or CS.
I took a course on programming lanugages where we examined many, many languages and actually had to pick a new language (new to the student at least) and write programs in it. It taught me mostly how to learn. The point of writing code isn't so you can remember the syntax; for me it was about learning how to think procedurallyand logically with defined rules. It helps me tremendously in everything I do.
Not everyone can hack CS, especially the data structures and algorithms portion. Most of what can be learned in CIS is common knowledge from 20-something tinkerers without a degree who will work for less money.
CS FTW.
ultimatebob
Lifer
REALLY QFT 🙂
Seriously though, I'd try to steer clear of the entire computer industry right now, and get a management or marketing degree instead. Programmers all over the country are already losing jobs to cheap labor overseas, and the IT guys are next on the chopping block. Trust me on this, since I do IT support for a living. Over half of the developers that I support are in either India or China now (versus NONE five years ago) and we're constantly under pressure from management to "globalize" our support offerings for those people. I honestly think that my job will be obsolete a few years from now, which is why I'm trying get promoted into a cushy management job as quickly as possible.
Besides... Computers stop being fun once they become your job. You might enjoy building new desktops and installing new OS'es now, but you WON'T after doing similar work over 45 hours a week.
Riverhound777
Diamond Member
Or do what many in my school did which is get your BS in CS and then get your MBA. I would do it as well but i'm just too tired of school.
Umm, I am a recent CS grad making over twice that in a small town. Try again. Averages from one school mean nothing. And the national average for a CS major is right around that mark.
With CS you can be a star. CIS assures you will be stuck in middle management for most of your career.
raystorm
Diamond Member
Not this stupid argument again. CS grads will say CIS is for people who cant cut it at CS.
Then in comes the CE grads who will say CS is for people who cant cut it at CE...blah blah blah. Just do what makes you happy and who cares what anyone has to say.
Aint that the truth. I had enough of IT and office work in general. I will probably go back to school and do something else with my life and steer clear from IT altogether. I wish I had the guts to be a cop or something.
Then in comes the CE grads who will say CS is for people who cant cut it at CE...blah blah blah. Just do what makes you happy and who cares what anyone has to say.
Aint that the truth. I had enough of IT and office work in general. I will probably go back to school and do something else with my life and steer clear from IT altogether. I wish I had the guts to be a cop or something.
Let me state this for all:
CS != progamming
Programming is a useful tool for a Computer Scientist, but we don't only do programming, nor do we only do support. I don't build desktops for a living or install OS's, and anyone who goes to school for 4 years to do such is an idiot. Bwant to build an desktop? Get A+ certified.
MOST CS MAJORS ARE VERY INVOLVED WITH THE BUSINESS PROSPECTS. When we need to buy something from Fuji Medical, or we have a software problem, I am a valuable asset because I can tell the business people what is really going on.
Again, CS != programming just like MBA != to running a business.
CS != progamming
Programming is a useful tool for a Computer Scientist, but we don't only do programming, nor do we only do support. I don't build desktops for a living or install OS's, and anyone who goes to school for 4 years to do such is an idiot. Bwant to build an desktop? Get A+ certified.
MOST CS MAJORS ARE VERY INVOLVED WITH THE BUSINESS PROSPECTS. When we need to buy something from Fuji Medical, or we have a software problem, I am a valuable asset because I can tell the business people what is really going on.
Again, CS != programming just like MBA != to running a business.
ngvepforever2
Golden Member
that's CIS not CS....
Regards
ng
I would say that CIS is generally a subset of CS. I guarantee that I can do everything a CIS grad can do, while I would like to see a CIS graduate write a Software Specification document or write a program to find the transitive closure of a digraph (or even explain what a digraph is.)
CIS is fine, but if you are motivated and smart and like challenges, go for CS.
CIS is fine, but if you are motivated and smart and like challenges, go for CS.
the fact is that CIS has grown by leaps and bounds over the years. im not sure what the major entailed 10 years ago, but it has evolved into a very marketable major. it is no longer for CS dropouts. I declared CIS my freshman year and never looked back because I knew CS was not for me, although I know I was more than capable of handling the course load.
at my school, CIS requires 3 semesters of programming, which is more than enough for people who know they will not be getting into software engineering, while giving them a very solid background into programming/logic. I remember hearing from one recruiter that the CIS guys had a much better understanding of database design than the CS guys. other CIS courses give you a great technical background. all along you are immersed in a business environment and taking the classes that every business major takes, giving you a great business background.
CIS is very appealing to so many different business and opens a great number of doors for you. you can move into so many different areas from CIS its ridiculous: systems analysis, consulting, security, development (if you want), the list goes on and on.
and the above is true as well, CIS major make more out of college and will continue making more in their careers. of course there are exceptions to every rule.
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