CIA Torture Report Set to Go Nuclear

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bshole

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This is another interesting tidbit, the lawyer who wrote up the justification for allowing torture is now a SITTING US Appeals Court Judge...... shiver.......
Our country is just so FUBAR.

But torture was already illegal, and the Bush administration did it anyway. All it required was a couple of administration lawyers willing to write memos saying, in essence, do whatever you want. In this case, the key memo was written by a lawyer named Jay Bybee, who wrote that if a technique of abuse didn’t cause “death, organ failure, or serious impairment of bodily functions,” then it wasn’t “severe” and therefore wasn’t torture. Jay Bybee sits today on the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. Every single Republican in the Senate, along with 25 Democrats, voted to confirm him to that position.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...s-that-dick-cheney-still-cant-define-torture/
 
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bshole said:
This is another interesting tidbit, the lawyer who wrote up the justification for allowing torture is now a SITTING US Appeals Court Judge...... shiver.......
Our country is just so FUBAR.

But torture was already illegal, and the Bush administration did it anyway. All it required was a couple of administration lawyers willing to write memos saying, in essence, do whatever you want. In this case, the key memo was written by a lawyer named Jay Bybee, who wrote that if a technique of abuse didn’t cause “death, organ failure, or serious impairment of bodily functions,” then it wasn’t “severe” and therefore wasn’t torture. Jay Bybee sits today on the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. Every single Republican in the Senate, along with 25 Democrats, voted to confirm him to that position.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...s-that-dick-cheney-still-cant-define-torture/
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So I guess he's in the camp that says "I'm not really beating someone if it doesn't leave any visible bruises."
Just torture to insanity then. We just put mentally ill people in jail in the US anyway, or put them out on the streets. (Didn't you hear? Mental illness is cured! Just take some medication and everything will be fine.)





Vaux said:
Torture doesn't work.... bullshit it doesn't work. Where the hell do people come up with that shit? If I know you know something and I want to know it and I put your head in a fucking vice or I start cutting off your fingers you are going to be telling me pretty damn quick.

Perhaps they had the wrong people or were asking the wrong questions, but torture sure as shit works under the right circumstances. There is a reason people have been doing it to other people for centuries.

(not advocating torture, just saying)
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Sure it works. It depends greatly on what "works" means though.
- You'll get the answers you want.
- You'll get the truth.
- You'll get answers you weren't expecting.
- You'll get lies.


Good luck figuring out which is which.
If your objective is a conviction and you're going to get it no matter what, then the torture is simply being used for its own brutal purpose of inflicting pain for its own sake. You'll get the person to say whatever you want them to say, and ignore the rest.
If your objective is wasting time pursuing leads that don't go anywhere, then that's great, because that's what you're going to have.



To the question, would Cheney have given up launch codes under torture? Yes, very likely. Whether or not he truly knows them or not is irrelevant. He'd do whatever it'd take. It's why torture doesn't work, and it's one of the reasons why it's banned in many civilized places.
It's not like TV-show torture where the protagonist almost always holds up against whatever's thrown at them. A writer and actor can easily someone who'll have their body melted away by boiling acid a drop at a time and never break. But I guess that's what we're used to.
 
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"To the question, would Cheney have given up launch codes under torture? Yes, very likely. Whether or not he truly knows them or not is irrelevant. He'd do whatever it'd take." -------

This doesn't make sense. Why are you torturing someone for information that they don't have? Wouldn't a prerequisite be knowing someone has the information you want?

If you are trying to torture someone for information that they don't have, well yeah no shit it's not going to work.
 
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Vaux said:
"To the question, would Cheney have given up launch codes under torture? Yes, very likely. Whether or not he truly knows them or not is irrelevant. He'd do whatever it'd take." -------

This doesn't make sense. Why are you torturing someone for information that they don't have? Wouldn't a prerequisite be knowing someone has the information you want?

If you are trying to torture someone for information that they don't have, well yeah no shit it's not going to work.
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LOL it has already been PROVEN that they tortured an innocent man to DEATH in Quantanimo...... torturers make mistakes too!
 
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Vaux said:
"To the question, would Cheney have given up launch codes under torture? Yes, very likely. Whether or not he truly knows them or not is irrelevant. He'd do whatever it'd take." -------

This doesn't make sense. Why are you torturing someone for information that they don't have? Wouldn't a prerequisite be knowing someone has the information you want?

If you are trying to torture someone for information that they don't have, well yeah no shit it's not going to work.
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That didn't stop the CIA from doing it.



You can capture and torture someone if you want a fall-guy. Get some innocent person and keep at it until they give the answer you want, parade him around as the guilty party who will be punished, and there you go. Justice has been served, as far as the public is concerned.
 
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master_shake_ said:
anyone remember the nuremberg trials?

why isn't that a thing now?
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Those kind of trials are for the losers...... duh!!! Never in all of human history have the victors gone on trial, the fundamental truth of human society is that might makes right. That will never change.
 
ivwshane

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master_shake_ said:
anyone remember the nuremberg trials?

why isn't that a thing now?
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Because might makes right, we don't have to abide by treaties we've signed, we don't have to be the example of which all other countries should act, we the worlds largest military!! We do whatever we want!

MERICA! Fuck ya!





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ivwshane said:
Because might makes right, we don't have to abide by treaties we've signed, we don't have to be the example of which all other countries should act, we the worlds largest military!! We do whatever we want!

MERICA! Fuck ya!





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coming again to save the mutherfucking day ya?!
 
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Zomy! waterboarding!
How about firing squad? yeah..firing squad..
yeah,you don't get any information that way.
waterboarding then firing squad! yeah!
We are talking about enemies of the people here.
or..turn them loose in a redneck town in Texas :D
 
mikeymikec

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Do reports often go nuclear?

Isn't this a much cheaper way of producing energy?

Unfortunately, doesn't this also mean that reports threaten nations' safety?

Mr President, we must not allow a nuclear report gap!
 
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