Cia Stretched Too Thin

[smashp]

CIA Struggles to Spy in Iraq, Afghanistan

"Confronting problems on critical fronts, the CIA (news - web sites) recently removed its top officer in Baghdad because of questions about his ability to lead the massive station there, and has closed a number of satellite bases in Afghanistan (news - web sites) amid concerns about that country's deteriorating security situation, according to U.S. intelligence sources. "



Hell, If they are having problems spying in countries our military Occupies, Just imagine the mess in foreign controlled lands.


remember this is happening on Bush's Watch, along with all the other Intelligence breakdowns.


but but but Only REPUBLICANS care about National Defence.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

You mean Numbers approved the Republican controlled House Select Committee on intelligence.


More Propagation on your Part.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

You mean Numbers approved the Republican controlled House Select Committee on intelligence.

Yes those numbers and while you're educating yourself look at the executive orders willie issued that severely limited our ability to gather intel.

More Propagation on your Part.

Right again. Propagation of the truth.

 

[UltraQuiet]

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

You mean Numbers approved the Republican controlled House Select Committee on intelligence.


More Propagation on your Part.

You mean a war that 72 Senators voted for? What's your point?

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

You mean Numbers approved the Republican controlled House Select Committee on intelligence.


More Propagation on your Part.

You mean a war that 72 Senators voted for? What's your point?

I Never brought Up the War.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

The conservative mantra: If something is wrong, blame Clinton and/or democrats/liberals. Because we all know all democrats are liberals.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

The conservative mantra: If something is wrong, blame Clinton and/or democrats/liberals. Because we all know all democrats are liberals.

Am I wrong? Who is more to blame, Clinton or Bush when it comes to CIA funding for covert operations?

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

The conservative mantra: If something is wrong, blame Clinton and/or democrats/liberals. Because we all know all democrats are liberals.

Am I wrong? Who is more to blame, Clinton or Bush when it comes to CIA funding for covert operations?

Or Possible its the CIA admission of its over reliance on Technology rather than human intelligence. And that would be thir fault as they work with congress to appropiate funds and decide which programs need "Sold" to Senate and house commitees.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

The conservative mantra: If something is wrong, blame Clinton and/or democrats/liberals. Because we all know all democrats are liberals.

Am I wrong? Who is more to blame, Clinton or Bush when it comes to CIA funding for covert operations?

Or Possible its the CIA admission of its over reliance on Technology rather than human intelligence. And that would be thir fault as they work with congress to appropiate funds and decide which programs need "Sold" to Senate and house commitees.

So is it Bush's fault, or not? I didn't get the memo this morning. Make up your mind.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

The conservative mantra: If something is wrong, blame Clinton and/or democrats/liberals. Because we all know all democrats are liberals.

Am I wrong? Who is more to blame, Clinton or Bush when it comes to CIA funding for covert operations?

Or Possible its the CIA admission of its over reliance on Technology rather than human intelligence. And that would be thir fault as they work with congress to appropiate funds and decide which programs need "Sold" to Senate and house commitees.

So is it Bush's fault, or not? I didn't get the memo this morning. Make up your mind.

My point is The Arise of the problem cannot be pinned on one person, due to the numner of people involved in making these decisions, Yet after tha major intelligence breakdown on 9.11 and the bad intel on iraq, It should be Bush's main objective to push to evolve, change, and repair the Cia. I do not see him doing this as it would require soom admitance of failures on his part.

We have had two of the largest intelligence breakdowns in this nations history under his watch, and yet he seems to not push to repair the problems with any sence of urgency , rather searches for ways to protect his A$4 first.

 

[Zephyr106]

Related:

Jane's Intelligence Digest

Other allegations have been surfacing in the US that the ad hoc intelligence review cell made up of pro-Israel neo-conservative hawks within the Bush administration, overseen by undersecretary for defence policy Douglas Feith, prior to the US invasion of Iraq in March 2003 co-operated with Israel in pushing for the war against Saddam. The entire team involved in the Office of Special Plans (OSP) championed by US vice-president Dick Cheney were political appointees.

The OSP operated outside inter-agency channels and has been accused of doctoring intelligence assessments on Iraq presented to the White House, while other neo-cons have pressured the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to tailor its analyses to buttress the findings presented by the OSP.

Zephyr

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Thanks for the 180, OP...and for a great quote to use everytime you post talking-points from your memo:

"The Arise of the problem cannot be pinned on one person, due to the numner of people involved in making these decisions."


Good stuff.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: smashp


We have had two of the largest intelligence breakdowns in this nations history under his watch, and yet he seems to not push to repair the problems with any sence of urgency , rather searches for ways to protect his A$4 first.

but, but, but, but...

Originally posted by: smashp The Arise of the problem cannot be pinned on one person, due to the numner of people involved in making these decisions

This is like X-Mas in February!

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

The conservative mantra: If something is wrong, blame Clinton and/or democrats/liberals. Because we all know all democrats are liberals.

ITS A FACT, the CIA had its hands tied by Clinton. The CIA has been spread to thin far before Bush came into power. We havent people on the ground in Africa since the mid 90s.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: smashp


We have had two of the largest intelligence breakdowns in this nations history under his watch, and yet he seems to not push to repair the problems with any sence of urgency , rather searches for ways to protect his A$4 first.

but, but, but, but...

Originally posted by: smashp The Arise of the problem cannot be pinned on one person, due to the numner of people involved in making these decisions

This is like X-Mas in February!

Hardly a contradiction. I stated that Bush isnt at fault solely for the breakdown, Many are as i have stated. But he is responceable for fixing them while he is president or future incidents will be his fault for lack of action..

I know how difficult this is for a narrowmindedn political propagator to understand.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

The conservative mantra: If something is wrong, blame Clinton and/or democrats/liberals. Because we all know all democrats are liberals.

ITS A FACT, the CIA had its hands tied by Clinton. The CIA has been spread to thin far before Bush came into power. We havent people on the ground in Africa since the mid 90s.

THis once again proves my point. The entire subject was on based on operations strectched too thin between Afghanistan and Iraq. Two of Bush's wars.
Has nothing to do with Clinton.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

The conservative mantra: If something is wrong, blame Clinton and/or democrats/liberals. Because we all know all democrats are liberals.

ITS A FACT, the CIA had its hands tied by Clinton. The CIA has been spread to thin far before Bush came into power. We havent people on the ground in Africa since the mid 90s.

THis once again proves my point. The entire subject was on based on operations strectched too thin between Afghanistan and Iraq. Two of Bush's wars.
Has nothing to do with Clinton.

You are a dumbfvck. The CIA was already spread entirely to thin under Clinton, you do remember the intel fvckups under Clintons admin right? Yes it proves your point the CIA is spread to thin, but this is not a fault of Bush. He is increasing the CIA, and the intel community at large, not shrinking it like Clinton. Bush used what he was given, a CIA barely operational in most parts of the world.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

The conservative mantra: If something is wrong, blame Clinton and/or democrats/liberals. Because we all know all democrats are liberals.

Am I wrong? Who is more to blame, Clinton or Bush when it comes to CIA funding for covert operations?

You are wrong ...

The CIA was already spread entirely to thin under Clinton

Part of what clinton wanted to do with the surpluss that a republican congress would not let him

Even funnier that is is from heritage.org

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

The conservative mantra: If something is wrong, blame Clinton and/or democrats/liberals. Because we all know all democrats are liberals.

Am I wrong? Who is more to blame, Clinton or Bush when it comes to CIA funding for covert operations?

You are wrong ...

The CIA was already spread entirely to thin under Clinton

But, but, but...

But he is responceable for fixing them while he is president or future incidents will be his fault for lack of action..

What say you?

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

The conservative mantra: If something is wrong, blame Clinton and/or democrats/liberals. Because we all know all democrats are liberals.

Am I wrong? Who is more to blame, Clinton or Bush when it comes to CIA funding for covert operations?

You are wrong ...

The CIA was already spread entirely to thin under Clinton

But, but, but...

But he is responceable for fixing them while he is president or future incidents will be his fault for lack of action..

What say you?

Did any recent prior presidents Have an Breakdown of intelligence as large as 9.11 or Iraq WMD?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Ok, lets see how many PN members could get away with posing for an Iraqi?

Just about the same as those in the Agency.

There is more than money at issue here.

BTW, Jane's is onto something I believe.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

The conservative mantra: If something is wrong, blame Clinton and/or democrats/liberals. Because we all know all democrats are liberals.

Am I wrong? Who is more to blame, Clinton or Bush when it comes to CIA funding for covert operations?

You are wrong ...

The CIA was already spread entirely to thin under Clinton

Part of what clinton wanted to do with the surpluss that a republican congress would not let him

Even funnier that is is from heritage.org

What does Clinton wanting to spend money out the ass have to do with the CIA? It is well known, Clinton signed several executive orders that severely curbed CIA activity. Fvck because of Clinton we had NO ONE on the ground in Africa from the mid 90s until 2001/2002, thats why the former ambassoder to Niger went to Niger instead of the CIA. The CIA was barely operational in other parts of the world, as well.

Why do you think we resorted to using alot of British andIsraeli intel for the Iraq war?

Or the time Clinton bombed a critical asprin factory in Sudan? Or the terrorist attacks of embassies in Africa?

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Post the level of funding for covert CIA operations during the Clinton administration, or go play in traffic and think about your stupid assertion.

The conservative mantra: If something is wrong, blame Clinton and/or democrats/liberals. Because we all know all democrats are liberals.

Am I wrong? Who is more to blame, Clinton or Bush when it comes to CIA funding for covert operations?

You are wrong ...

The CIA was already spread entirely to thin under Clinton

Part of what clinton wanted to do with the surpluss that a republican congress would not let him

Even funnier that is is from heritage.org

What does Clinton wanting to spend money out the ass have to do with the CIA? It is well known, Clinton signed several executive orders that severely curbed CIA activity. Fvck because of Clinton we had NO ONE on the ground in Africa from the mid 90s until 2001/2002, thats why the former ambassoder to Niger went to Niger instead of the CIA. The CIA was barely operational in other parts of the world, as well.

Why do you think we resorted to using alot of British andIsraeli intel for the Iraq war?

Or the time Clinton bombed a critical asprin factory in Sudan? Or the terrorist attacks of embassies in Africa?

clinton request 1 billion to fight terrorism

Lott and Hatch limit Clintons antiterrorism bill

Money put towards antiterrorism

more rumors debunked


Funny you mentioned the apsrin factory...

Soil samples containing EMPTA were found after the bombing concluded that just more than asprin was made at the factory.