Chrysler workers caught smoking pot and boozing on lunch breaks...AGAIN.

[nobodyknows]

Eagerly anticipating further union apologist comments.

You won't get an apologi8es from me. I fully realize that the people who are doing the actual work shouldn't be drinking.

 

[OutHouse]

The druggie or boozing UAW members I knew used to smugly refer to this as their "fringe benefits"...

Auto workers caught again, but this time on UAW maintained/owned property (UAW swears it knows nothing about it...just like always)

I actually find it somewhat funny the media is even bothering with this now. 20 years ago it was positively RAMPANT, probably much less of a problem today, but the UAW-sympathetic media would NEVER report on it back then. Local parks, parking lots, or bars near the plant would have 10+ car-loads of druggies and drunks getting their buzz on at lunch (or before work) 20 years ago, not just two or three.

Some of these meeting places literally turned into a party one or two days per week, or became the staging/meeting area before moving to another location. e.g Jobbie Nooner

no wonder Chrysler made such shit cars! oh wait they still do!!

 

[William Gaatjes]

Strange...
Because people are so paranoid over government these situations came to life.

Solution ?
If a (by government) law was present that a company has to ensure that the worker has a job contract for unlimited time. But this can only be done after a 1 year trial period where the employer and employee can make sure that the magic and the love is there. Of course(with provisions that for example bad behavior or being under substance at work can be a reason to get fired. No matter if it is in the trial period or when the contract for unlimited time has been granted.

Then a law could be made to ban unions. Negotiations is the key. If you give by law employees a certainty for a pay check, you can also give by law employers a certainty to fire useless workers. Personally i hate unions. It is a great way to hype people up instead of making them think.

 

[OutHouse]

Perhaps you are unable to read. Nevertheless, since it is the only means of communication here, I suppose I am left with no other option than to state the obvious to you: it is the responsibility and concern of the management team and individual contributors, it is not yours beyond deciding whether or not you wish to buy their vehicle. Private businesses are not public entities, hence the word "private." To imply that these workers drinking or smoking some weed on the job is a public endangerment issue just because people choose to purchase their product is an irresponsible and unfounded logical leap. If you don't like what their workers do, or what the company does about it, you are free to refuse to buy a car from them. If you are afraid that this somehow makes the roads less safe for you, then feel free to find a trail and hike your ass to where you would like to go.

As far as calling me a "union apologist," I guess this again goes to the point about you being unable to read. Of course, feel free to make more faulty presumptions about me to attempt to fuel your illogical opinion, for I find the stupidity of others particularly amusing when I am drinking. I see the issue as nothing more than idiots whining in an attempt to control the actions of private businesses and having nothing to do with unionization. Thus far, everyone who believes this is some great offense against the public has been able to do nothing other than simply make up things and say they were said by their opponent, or label people as a "union apologist" because they are unable to support their argument. I'd say you could be the first to actually make a reasonable argument, but I think that you've already made that impossible for yourself.

are you a law student? i swear i think you because you are making the most ridiculous arguments i have ever seen.

 

[tcsenter]

no wonder Chrysler made such shit cars! oh wait they still do!!

Its not just Chrysler. And check out the link to Jobbie Nooner. This party originated from auto workers skipping work after lunch (nooner) on a Friday. Now think...

How did several dozens of workers (originally) just not return from lunch every so many Fridays without impacting the plant? They didn't. Magically, there would be some kind of work slow-down or work stoppage on the assembly line. Some kind of equipment would magically become broken, a fuse block would blow, main air compressors would break, or whatever. The plant repairmen (skilled trades) were all - you guessed it - UAW members. And nobody from the company would even know they were gone, because the UAW forced the company to let the UAW supervise its own via unionized "team leaders".

You go this week and I'll cover you, then I'll go next week and you cover me. Its just the way it was and nothing the company could do about it, other than to take a stand and risk being nearly bankrupted during the next prolonged strike action, or risk even more severe shenanigans by the union agitators in retribution.

 

[mrjminer]

are you a law student? i swear i think you because you are making the most ridiculous arguments i have ever seen.

Are you capable of supplying an argument other than "you must be a union apologist to believe that private companies should be managed by public citizens contrary to the law, federal regulation, and the concept of privatization of business?" If not, then I welcome you to America with the other socialists in the thread.

 

[Lithium381]

yep, if i were caught drinking or puffing it up on a lunch break i'd be gone..... i an't see how unions can protect this behavior. and those saying 'i suppor them getting sloshed on their breaks and returning to build cars where you entrust your family.... wow....

 

[alkemyst]

I was in Michigan at a little hole in the wall place for lunch. A group of electricians were each drinking a bucket of beers (a couple were ordering as they went).

They were talking about how they f'd up yesterday and have to go back now and figure out what they did.

I made a comment "was that before or after a lunch like today" and got back "F**K YOU WE ARE UNION!"

I was just joking...but they went batshit crazy. I was done eating by that time (I was there about 40mins), they were still continuing their lunch.

Union is an outdated lottery system today.

 

[Jhhnn]

If anyone understands the point of this thread, let me know.

Union bashing via false attribution. That's it- that's all there is, beyond the fact-free ideology driving it.

People have been getting high at lunch for as long as there have been jobs, long before unions ever existed. Light consumption of alcohol at lunch is a european tradition, and the 3 martini lunch isn't the result of unionization, at all.

But do rave on in the usual rightwing nonsensical fashion...

 

[Circlenaut]

You alright! They learned it by watching you!

If America's wealthy and powerful wish for the commoners to be more moral, than maybe said wealthy and powerful should stop:
- worshiping money
- misusing God's name and intent to justify their evil ways
- abuse illegal drugs
- abuse legal drugs
- abuse alcohol
- abuse their spouse/children (verbal, emotional and physical)
- abuse their bodies (plastic surgery, etc.)
- being racist

What is worse, it's idiots like those who support America's wealthy and powerful, who eat every turd,... and label people who oppose them as communist terrorist child eating devil worshipers who are out to kill and destroy all white people.

Keep eat rich people's shit, moron.

This

I'll never understand people who support the rich and corporate america, it's not like they give a shit about any of us. Better to support unions and the common man than the man.

 

[nick1985]

This

I'll never understand people who support the rich and corporate america, it's not like they give a shit about any of us. Better to support unions and the common man than the man.

Look at the poster you just quoted and agreed with. You should feel like a moron now.

 

[Pulsar]

It's a union thing in general. My mom was a union worker, and her hour long bus to work would sometimes get there 5 minutes early or 5 minutes late. If she gets there late, just start late and it's not a big deal. If she got there 5 minutes early, people would actually give her shit for working when she's not supposed to. Apparently working for free (to balance out the times late) makes the rest of the union look bad. She received an official written notice from the union and everything.

So yeah, if you act like a normal human being, unions WILL come after you. You can't break solidarity. If the bulk of the workers are horrible at their job, you need to be equally horrible.

Sorry, shawn, but your over-generalizations and anecdotal posts are pointless, as is the OP's attack.

I never can get over this irrational hatred of unions. I guess people have to place their rage somewhere, and some choose the union.

I'm not unionized, and it fact I have to deal with the UAW on a daily basis, since I manage 40 of them in a big 3 automaker. We have our losers, and we have our hard workers. Sure, the losers are a little tougher to get rid of, but like anywhere else if the manager is worth a damn and knows how to document and how to build a case, it doesn't take long. Give them enough rope and they hang themselves. I've got a couple in the process of doing it to themselves right now, in fact.

Some infractions spell instant firing. Most of the time, though, you have to work through a logical progression that's spelled out quite clearly in the local or national contract. This information that union workers are un-fireable is total bullshit. Anyone who has ever worked a day in the actual business knows that, which goes to illustrate just how many people here like shawn are talking out their other hole.

This stuff about the union guys going after you for showing up 5 minutes early is also bullshit. Perhaps somewhere, once, a long time ago it may have been true. I see on a daily basis many of my workers showing up well in advance. They all care about the product they make - even the ones that are piss poor at what they do.

Perhaps your vehemence and rage should be directed at piss poor middle management people who simply have no idea how to run a department or a business. I see more of them than I do crappy union employees. I see an equal number of crappy engineers.

 

[Pulsar]

Its not just Chrysler. And check out the link to Jobbie Nooner. This party originated from auto workers skipping work after lunch (nooner) on a Friday. Now think...

How did several dozens of workers (originally) just not return from lunch every so many Fridays without impacting the plant? They didn't. Magically, there would be some kind of work slow-down or work stoppage on the assembly line. Some kind of equipment would magically become broken, a fuse block would blow, main air compressors would break, or whatever. The plant repairmen (skilled trades) were all - you guessed it - UAW members. And nobody from the company would even know they were gone, because the UAW forced the company to let the UAW supervise its own via unionized "team leaders".

You go this week and I'll cover you, then I'll go next week and you cover me. Its just the way it was and nothing the company could do about it, other than to take a stand and risk being nearly bankrupted during the next prolonged strike action, or risk even more severe shenanigans by the union agitators in retribution.

I hate to rain on your little jobbie nooner parade, but not only do I live in the state in question (Michigan), I live next door to the lake, have done jobbie nooner repeatedly, and manage a large chunk of UAW workers who do the same.

This isn't some magical 'something gets broke and they leave'. If they leave without notice, they are AWOL. They get their overtime docked and it goes on their record for a year. Several AWOL instances result in an unpaid vacation, with penalties up to AUTOMATIC termination after a couple more. Most all of them either use their personal time or vacation time, and tell us well in advance when they're going to go. They don't just 'cut out' from work. Sorry to burst that particular bubble of yours.

I won't claim to understand what irrational hatred you have for the UAW. I can categorically state, however, that there is nearly zero factual information in your posts. Congratulations, however, on managing to find the name jobbie nooner and try to turn it into something it's not.

 

[Red Dawn]

I was in Michigan at a little hole in the wall place for lunch. A group of electricians were each drinking a bucket of beers (a couple were ordering as they went).

They were talking about how they f'd up yesterday and have to go back now and figure out what they did.

I made a comment "was that before or after a lunch like today" and got back "F**K YOU WE ARE UNION!"

I was just joking...but they went batshit crazy. I was done eating by that time (I was there about 40mins), they were still continuing their lunch.

Union is an outdated lottery system today.

Yeah like we believe that

 

[nick1985]

Yeah like we believe that

And if it wasn't for the torn shoulder, he would have beat them all up and sent them to work.

 

[RFE]

Perhaps you are unable to read. Nevertheless, since it is the only means of communication here, I suppose I am left with no other option than to state the obvious to you: it is the responsibility and concern of the management team and individual contributors, it is not yours beyond deciding whether or not you wish to buy their vehicle. Private businesses are not public entities, hence the word "private." To imply that these workers drinking or smoking some weed on the job is a public endangerment issue just because people choose to purchase their product is an irresponsible and unfounded logical leap. If you don't like what their workers do, or what the company does about it, you are free to refuse to buy a car from them. If you are afraid that this somehow makes the roads less safe for you, then feel free to find a trail and hike your ass to where you would like to go.

As far as calling me a "union apologist," I guess this again goes to the point about you being unable to read. Of course, feel free to make more faulty presumptions about me to attempt to fuel your illogical opinion, for I find the stupidity of others particularly amusing when I am drinking. I see the issue as nothing more than idiots whining in an attempt to control the actions of private businesses and having nothing to do with unionization. Thus far, everyone who believes this is some great offense against the public has been able to do nothing other than simply make up things and say they were said by their opponent, or label people as a "union apologist" because they are unable to support their argument. I'd say you could be the first to actually make a reasonable argument, but I think that you've already made that impossible for yourself.

For lack of a better description, that's such an interesting post. Lends one to believe that if a cook jerked off in the soup that you ordered, you'd be fine with it as you had the freedom of choice to go there.

And nice job glazing over the bit about workplace safety. Would you like to work in a factory environment with a forklift driver or crane operator a bit light headed from a liquid lunch? Or maybe the electrician who was supposed to lockout all the machinery in the cell that you have to do some PM on.

 

[Red Dawn]

Lends one to believe that if a cook jerked off in the soup that you ordered, you'd be fine with it as you had the freedom of choice to go there.

No your analogy lends one to believe that you have some serious issues. Jerked off in the soup? Who thinks of that shit?

 

[mrjminer]

For lack of a better description, that's such an interesting post. Lends one to believe that if a cook jerked off in the soup that you ordered, you'd be fine with it as you had the freedom of choice to go there.

And nice job glazing over the bit about workplace safety. Would you like to work in a factory environment with a forklift driver or crane operator a bit light headed from a liquid lunch? Or maybe the electrician who was supposed to lockout all the machinery in the cell that you have to do some PM on.

There are federal regulations for those scenarios. Any scenario not covered by a federal regulation is up to... guess who? The business. Either way, I see no mention in the article that states states these workers are bound by federal regulation not to smoke weed or drink in whatever capacity they're performing.

Additionally, I expected more flawed analogies in this thread, but I wasn't expecting completely idiotic ones. A cook jerking off in soup then serving it to people without their knowledge is nothing like this. I'm not wasting much more of my time on your stupidity because, frankly, I would be equally stupid in doing so. So, I'll just leave it at some points of your analogy that you can analyze for the next several decades until you are able to evolve into a reasonable person: it involves deliberately misleading people, involves exposing people to potentially hazardous bodily fluids, involves an action that can't be undone / rectified (ie: you can't "un-eat" something), is not governed by safeguards preventing it from making it to the consumer, and, basically, doesn't involve any of the "problems" this article deals with (which would be nothing more than some guys having a beer and/or smoking some weed on a lunch break for a private business). I guess I should be thanking you for being inferior enough to unwittingly support my argument that a cook is more of a public safety hazard than a line worker in a factory, but I think the appreciation would be missed on you.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Union bashing propaganda. Some hypes a non-problem, some hypes bad apples.

Good thing it's only union workers who have ever misbehaved with substance abuse.

Non-union workers and management would not ever do that.

Incredible. Simply incredible. And what say you of Jobbie Nooner?

 

[DrPizza]

<snip>

<snip>

This, and this. Amazing what people believe because they may have heard one anecdotal, exaggerated tale. Idiots frothing at the mouth.

To counter the tale about someone being written up for starting work 5 minutes early, when my son was the newest guy on his union team, he was required to show up 15 minutes early (off the clock) and start working. It was wintertime and the work trucks are cold. He had to start them all and have them ready to go when everyone else showed up for work (which was on time - the trucks roll out the minute they're supposed to; if you're late, you're in deep shit.)

 

[BarneyFife]

When it comes to skilled workers in construction, you would be a fool not to hire someone from a union shop.

 

[QuantumPion]

When it comes to skilled workers in construction, you would be a fool not to hire someone from a union shop.

I read that in a new jersey accent followed by "cuz it would be a shame if sumthin were to happen to yer job site, know what I mean? "

 

[RFE]

No your analogy lends one to believe that you have some serious issues. Jerked off in the soup? Who thinks of that shit?

No doubt, that is aweful. From the movie Fight Club:

Narrator: He was *the* guerilla terrorist in the food service industry.
[the Narrator looks at Tyler, who's urinating in a pot]

Tyler Durden: Do not watch. I cannot go when you watch.

Narrator: Apart from seasoning the lobster bisque, he farted on the meringue, sneezed on braised endive, and as for the cream of mushroom soup, well...

Tyler Durden: [snickers] Go ahead. Tell 'em.

Narrator: ...you get the idea.

 

[RFE]

There are federal regulations for those scenarios. Any scenario not covered by a federal regulation is up to... guess who? The business. Either way, I see no mention in the article that states states these workers are bound by federal regulation not to smoke weed or drink in whatever capacity they're performing.

Additionally, I expected more flawed analogies in this thread, but I wasn't expecting completely idiotic ones. A cook jerking off in soup then serving it to people without their knowledge is nothing like this. I'm not wasting much more of my time on your stupidity because, frankly, I would be equally stupid in doing so. So, I'll just leave it at some points of your analogy that you can analyze for the next several decades until you are able to evolve into a reasonable person: it involves deliberately misleading people, involves exposing people to potentially hazardous bodily fluids, involves an action that can't be undone / rectified (ie: you can't "un-eat" something), is not governed by safeguards preventing it from making it to the consumer, and, basically, doesn't involve any of the "problems" this article deals with (which would be nothing more than some guys having a beer and/or smoking some weed on a lunch break for a private business). I guess I should be thanking you for being inferior enough to unwittingly support my argument that a cook is more of a public safety hazard than a line worker in a factory, but I think the appreciation would be missed on you.

I used an extreme example to help get the point across (see movie quote above, Fight Club). And I'd say that a workplace accident could be just as pernament as the aweful example.

 

[LTC8K6]

This probably explains the 2011 Grand Cherokees with the steering wheels off-center...