Christopher Dorner "fan club"?

[Charles Kozierok]

I'm rather flabbergasted about this.

But maybe I'm just being too harsh in seeing this in a rather one-sided manner, but I don't see this guy as any kind of hero, no matter what he did as a soldier, and whether or not his grievances held any merit.

What do you think?

 

[fskimospy]

I'm rather flabbergasted about this.

But maybe I'm just being too harsh in seeing this in a rather one-sided manner, but I don't see this guy as any kind of hero, no matter what he did as a soldier, and whether or not his grievances held any merit.

What do you think?

The LAPD is a true shit stain, massively corrupt and violent. In that regard, I hear where Dorner was coming from. That being said, that is nowhere even remotely close to an excuse for what he did.

I think this incident has brought up some of the bad feelings that people in LA have towards the LAPD, and so in that sense I get it. Celebrating someone's murder spree still makes you a horrible human being though.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

What I found sad about the entire idea of idolizing the man is I wasn't overly surprised that they existed. Some want to shock, some have such a resounding resentment for law enforcement that they will praise anyone who attacks that institution.

I see no hero either. He killed the daughter of a man he had a grudge with, his fiance and other random members of law enforcement who were just doing their job. The people who want to claim him as some her0, which I also saw in the threads here on this board, made me sick to my stomach.

 

[randomrogue]

I've lived in Los Angeles a few times. I never ever had a problem with the police there. It's a really tough job. They are there for that though. I remember talking to a police officer who was working in the good part of Long Beach and he said that they rotate so that they don't get bored and he couldn't wait to get to the bad part of Long Beach.

With that said I can't help but be sympathetic to Dorner. I don't quite understand it either since in many ways it's hypocritical. It's kinda like how you root for the bad guy though. Natural Born Killers comes to mind. Rambo. That kinda thing.

The problem you really have here is that he felt an injustice was served and had no recourse that would be heard. He lost his job in a he said she said case. It was a matter of credibility and they took that away from him. So time will tell if he wasn't worth listening to or not but I think the shootings in his manhunt of innocent people supported him. The LAPD is notorious for abusing their power. The way they handled this case was incredibly unprofessional.

I posted in another thread the story of the guy who created a super bulldozer and destroyed half a town to protest. Read that story and tell me if you are sympathetic to him.

In today's day and age nothing ever gets done unless you have video of the crime. Rodney King and the handicapped kid who cried out for his father while the police killed him come to mind. This is why I have a serious problem with the media supported blackout of this event.

 

[randomrogue]

Oh one more thing for those who might not have lived in that area. When we talk about the LAPD that's a specific police dept. However Los Angeles is a really big area with multiple cities in the county. I've lived in LA but I've also lived in like 5 other cities that were not Los Angeles city but I still say "LA". So Fullerton for example is just south of LA. Long Beach is right at the border but in LA. Since LB is so damn big I'd say Long Beach but it's part of LA county. The problem isn't really confined to just Los Angeles city. It's the whole LA area. San Bernadino is not LA but is part of the Inland Empire. It's still kinda part of the LA area though.

 

[Greenman]

He was a killer, nothing more. Everything he had done in his life was erased by murder. Any simpatico I might have had for the man died when he shot innocents.

 

[lotus503]

I think Dorner said out loud what a lot of us think. I think some Americans have a sense the system is corrupt. The actions of LAPD during the last few weeks has been outrageous.

There was a sense he was standing up for something.

But at the end of the day he just murdered people that had nothing to do with his grievance there really is nothing heroish about that.

 

[manimal]

There has been an embedded culture of corruption in the greater LA police system since the 70s when the drugs hit LA. Things started to change in the 90s after rodney king and the advent of mobile video though there inevitably are remnants.

Back when I was living in silverlake and then malibu in the 90s there were two police departments. What I experienced in the nice areas was nothing like what went on in south central and LBC and Compton or watts.


Doesnt change the fact that dorner is a murderer and people who laud him should be ashamed of themselves. There is never a justification to take an innocent life. Dorner is nothing more than a misguided fool.

 

[fskimospy]

Side question, what should dorner have done instead? In a sense he succeeded in what he set out to do. Can you think of other actions he could have taken with a realistic chance of success? I thought about it and it's tough to come up with something.

 

[lotus503]

Side question, what should dorner have done instead? In a sense he succeeded in what he set out to do. Can you think of other actions he could have taken with a realistic chance of success? I thought about it and it's tough to come up with something.

he could have wrote his manifesto and not killed anyone, the murders and shootouts were not what captivated folks, it was what he wrote.

 

[randomrogue]

Not sure if the manifesto alone was enough. The killings didn't contribute anything though.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Without the killings the Manifesto would have been swept under the rug.....

It is too bad it takes actions like Dorner`s to get the attention of the LAPD....

Was Dorner right? NO...but that really does not matter. Dorner thought he was right!

Evidently the LAPD thought what he said in his Manifesto had some merit...unless they

were just trying to get Dorner to surrender by saying they were repoening his case and such.....

Did they burn the cabin down on purpose.......me thinks they have some explaining to do....

BTW --

Lotus said it best --

I think Dorner said out loud what a lot of us think. I think some Americans have a sense the system is corrupt. The actions of LAPD during the last few weeks has been outrageous.

There was a sense he was standing up for something.

But at the end of the day he just murdered people that had nothing to do with his grievance there really is nothing heroish about that.

:thumbsup:

 

[waggy]

I think Dorner said out loud what a lot of us think. I think some Americans have a sense the system is corrupt. The actions of LAPD during the last few weeks has been outrageous.

There was a sense he was standing up for something.

But at the end of the day he just murdered people that had nothing to do with his grievance there really is nothing heroish about that.

the actions of the LAPD has proven him right. From shooting up 2 trucks, burning the house down he was in. Then denying the reward becuase he was not taken alive and found guilty.

 

[lotus503]

the actions of the LAPD has proven him right. From shooting up 2 trucks, burning the house down he was in. Then denying the reward becuase he was not taken alive and found guilty.

Its proved what he said about LAPD was right, but Dorner'ss actions were not right.

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm rather flabbergasted about this.

But maybe I'm just being too harsh in seeing this in a rather one-sided manner, but I don't see this guy as any kind of hero, no matter what he did as a soldier, and whether or not his grievances held any merit.

What do you think?

I would suggest there are individuals who feel wronged or slighted by "authority" as the LAPD represent. Who feel vindicated in some fashion by actions taken to threaten, or actually harm this "authority". I feel that they may be cowards who root for others to take this action in their stead.

I fear that I may, to some degree, sympathize with them. I also feel bad for how the situation was resolved, with (apparently) no attempt to take him alive. It would have been a stronger act of valor, and would have allowed us to hear from a murderer who may have been mentally ill, or otherwise normal but harmed by our system. Our lessons to learn from this incident could have been stronger had Christopher Dorner been taken alive.

The man is not a hero. He is a fighter, perhaps the "fan club" is looking for a fight.

 

[CrackRabbit]

I'm rather flabbergasted about this.

But maybe I'm just being too harsh in seeing this in a rather one-sided manner, but I don't see this guy as any kind of hero, no matter what he did as a soldier, and whether or not his grievances held any merit.

What do you think?

Americans have, historically, held a soft spot for criminals that they felt "fought against a corrupt system".
Look at the celebrity of the serial bank robbers of the early 1930s, people cheered them on because they perceived it as revenge against a 'corrupt' and 'heartless' banking industry that had crashed the economy, in some cases lost all of their money, and was foreclosing on friends and neighbors properties due to the hard times.
It isn't surprising at all that there is a segment of the population willing to overlook the crimes Dorner committed because of his manifesto's reasoning.

 

[DrPizza]

The whole case reminded me of the Unabomber. He had a message, and afterward, several prominent people came out and said that his message was worth consideration. Nonetheless, his method of gaining notice was the same as Dorner's - killing innocent people. For that, I don't think many sane people thought of him as a hero.

 

[Kelvrick]

I think that Dorner should have just targeted the specific people that affected him. Specifically, his partner that he accused of police brutality and others involved in "covering it up" and getting him fired. The public has a sense that the LAPD is corrupt, but we can't justify killing a man's daughter and her fiancee or random associates. I think it is a case of having to be pushed over the edge to do something, but the fact that you're over the edge prevents you from standing up for your beliefs effectively.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I have no respect for either Dorner or anyone that supports his actions.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I have no respect for either Dorner or anyone that supports his actions.

Taken what I believe youj mean I agree 100% with you!

But if you mean`t you have no respect for anybody believes his allegations against the LAPD have meirt......then I would say that you have no repsect for quite a few people.

As it is I also have no respect for those who take innocent lives!!

 

[JulesMaximus]

I can't understand why anyone would idolize or support what he did. The guy is a murderer plain and simple. Good riddance.

 

[amdhunter]

I've found a few people didn't know that Dorner killed innocent people. If you listen to the media; they just call him a cop-killer, and quietly ignore that he killed his lawyers daughter.

This is probably why he has so many supporters. No one knows he was a normal psycho murderer, and not just a killer of the "evil LAPD."

 

[LookBehindYou]

he could have wrote his manifesto and not killed anyone, the murders and shootouts were not what captivated folks, it was what he wrote.

I'm not too sure about that. I certainly don't condone what he did, but I don't think people were captivated by what he wrote until after learning of the murders. Without the murders he was just another person voicing corruption that many already assumed was there but didn't care enough about it to do anything about it.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Clearly something in what he wrote resonates with people. My own feeling is that his complaints about the LAPD are likely true, at least in part, and some of that thin-blue-line stuff is probably true of many police departments. That being said, Dorner sounds like he was a paranoiac crackpot and he is indisputably a cold-blooded killer of innocent people. I can't see that as heroic.

 

[Abraxas]

I can't understand why anyone would idolize or support what he did. The guy is a murderer plain and simple. Good riddance.

Plain, certainly, but I wouldn't say simple. While his methods were from the stand point of law, order, and civilization appalling, from a cultural perspective he is a hero. Don't misunderstand, I'm not defending or justify what he did, but look at it for a moment from the perspective of the common narrative motif.

If this story were to be pitched in Hollywood, would Dorner be the hero or the villain of the movie? Distinguished military veteran and policy officer stands up to abuse in his department has his life ruined by said department wages a one man war to bring down a corrupt and abusive government authority that maintains order with an iron fist and a shoot first and ask questions later methodology. Were this Hollywood, Dorner would not only have evaded capture but would have exposed the corrupt mayor/police chief, brought down the police department, and cleared his name.

Every rogue cop movie, every story of a rebellion vs. an empire (and honestly, where are you going to find something closer to a real life Imperial Storm Trooper in America than the LAPD?), every story about a man standing up to an unjust authority tells us he should be the protagonist of this story. Is it any wonder so many want to think of him as one?