Christians take a page from the Koran--Raped Girl Made to Appologize to the Church

[WhipperSnapper]

If these allegations are true, then this group of Christians is taking a page right out of the Koran. A 15 year old girl is claiming that she was raped and impregnated by a member of a church and that the church made her read a letter of apology to the congregation.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat..._then_forced_to_apologize.html?obref=obinsite

 

[GoPackGo]

Assuming her claims are true, that is pretty fucked up...the scum who did this needs to be put in prison. Anyone who goes to this church and supports this is not a Christian.

 

[Rainsford]

Religion is what you make of it, and it's pretty easy to claim your behavior is supported by God. Assholes can choose to be Christian just as easily as they can choose to be Muslim.

 

[infoiltrator]

But the congregation at best assumed willful disobedience and punished a 15 year old as an adult, the minister actively aiding a cover up.
These are pagans. No Jesus here.
And if once, how many other times?? Sexual predators do not stop voluntarily

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If it's true someone needs serious jail time and the people involved should be ashamed.

 

[Rainsford]

If it's true someone needs serious jail time and the people involved should be ashamed.

I wonder what the parents were doing during all of this. Seriously, why is the local church allowed to decide what a 15 year old girl does and doesn't do?

 

[wuliheron]

Yeah, yeah, people are scum and will use any ideology to justify their crappy behavior. Welcome to the political forums.

 

[amdhunter]

This shit happened in 1997 and now she wants to sue? Typical money-grubbing woman. I guess child support payments must not be enough for her these days.

15 years in, she must be worried about where her income will be coming from after it runs out in 3 years.

 

[Greenman]

I'd like to hear the other side of the story.

 

[Infohawk]

Assholes can choose to be Christian just as easily as they can choose to be Muslim.

I'm not really sure what you mean by that but it sounds like you are saying Christianity is just as "bad" as Islam... Am I right or is your position more nuanced?

 

[mrjminer]

I'm not really sure what you mean by that but it sounds like you are saying Christianity is just as "bad" as Islam... Am I right or is your position more nuanced?

I think his point is that there can be a subsect of any religion that's crazy as shit. However, the flaw in his logic is that there's a far greater percentage of Muslims that do shit like this than Christians.

 

[Corn]

This shit happened in 1997 and now she wants to sue? Typical money-grubbing woman. I guess child support payments must not be enough for her these days.

15 years in, she must be worried about where her income will be coming from after it runs out in 3 years.

Typical moron, as are most of the posters in this thread, displays his ignorance by posting prior to availing himself of the facts before bashing the alleged victim just because she's a woman: According to the article linked in the OP, she gave the baby up for adoption--thus sha can't possibly be collecting child support.

One other leap the most of the other moron posters in this thread is that the church forced the alleged victim to apologize for being raped. The article does not state this fact. According to the alleged perp, the sex was consensual.....and if that was his story from jump street, the alleged victim was not asked to apologize for being raped, and most likely was asked to apologize for allegedly wrecking the home of a married member of the congregation (which is also fucked up IMHO). I do, however, acknowledge the age of the alleged victim at the time the alleged rape happened, thus in a lot of areas throughout the country she couldn't legally consent to sex to begin with.........

 

[Zebo]

This aint shit. One single congregation in Egypt has had 24 young girls kidnapped, raped, married off and forcefully converted to Islam just this year. That's why they don't need missionary's. Just rape the women and blow the churches and kill off the rest or at least make life so unpleasant for them may as well convert. That is Islam.

The moral equivalence is absurd.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

This aint shit. One single congregation in Egypt has had 24 young girls kidnapped, raped, married off and forcefully converted to Islam just this year. That's why they don't need missionary's. Just rape the women and blow the churches and kill off the rest or at least make life so unpleasant for them may as well convert. That is Islam.

The moral equivalence is absurd.

Actually the OP's assertion is completely absurd because he makes the "veiled" (pun intended) assumption that this type of behavior is somehow viewed as normal or codified in the legal laws of nations in which Christianity is the predominate religion. Of course this is false pretense that the OP is using to make a utterly flawed and bogus pointed.

 

[Vic Vega]

This shit happened in 1997 and now she wants to sue? Typical money-grubbing woman. I guess child support payments must not be enough for her these days.

15 years in, she must be worried about where her income will be coming from after it runs out in 3 years.

The child was adopted at birth.

 

[Double Trouble]

The difference is that normal everyday Christians would see something like this and go "WTF?", and hope that justice will be served and the scum responsible would see some serious jail time.

In countries like Pakistan, the populace would largely support whatever insane actions were taken against the child. Hell, in Saudi Arabia the teen would have been whipped and beaten (and probably jailed) for being raped.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

OP fail... this is not an indictment against christianity... This is an indictment against a bad church and pastor.

 

[Abwx]

If these allegations are true, then this group of Christians is taking a page right out of the Koran. A 15 year old girl is claiming that she was raped and impregnated by a member of a church and that the church made her read a letter of apology to the congregation.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat..._then_forced_to_apologize.html?obref=obinsite

Yet another racist that create false amalgams to demonize
the muslims..

Can you quote us the so called page of the Quran that you re
allegeddly talking about.??....

 

[FerrelGeek]

Assuming her claims are true, that is pretty fucked up...the scum who did this needs to be put in prison. Anyone who goes to this church and supports this is not a Christian.

This.

You can search the Bible from cover to cover and you won't find anything, in context, that condones such actions.

 

[Schadenfroh]

This.

You can search the Bible from cover to cover and you won't find anything, in context, that condones such actions.

Indeed, Christianity says nothing about punishing the victim of rape, even in the Old Testament (Jewish Holy Books). For that matter, I doubt that the Koran says you should punish the victim.

I am also confused about this case. There was a police investigation back in '97, supposedly a statement about it was read before a group of church members, yet the police did not arrest him for having sex with a minor? Even if the act was consensual (as the assailant claims), he would have gone down for impregnating a 15 year old.

spirited her away to another church member in Colorado in an effort to muddle a police investigation back in 1997.

I would be interested in seeing the results of that '97 police investigation. They did not think it suspicious if the victim was suddenly sent away to Colorado to give birth?

 

[thraashman]

Typical moron, as are most of the posters in this thread, displays his ignorance by posting prior to availing himself of the facts before bashing the alleged victim just because she's a woman: According to the article linked in the OP, she gave the baby up for adoption--thus sha can't possibly be collecting child support.

One other leap the most of the other moron posters in this thread is that the church forced the alleged victim to apologize for being raped. The article does not state this fact. According to the alleged perp, the sex was consensual.....and if that was his story from jump street, the alleged victim was not asked to apologize for being raped, and most likely was asked to apologize for allegedly wrecking the home of a married member of the congregation (which is also fucked up IMHO). I do, however, acknowledge the age of the alleged victim at the time the alleged rape happened, thus in a lot of areas throughout the country she couldn't legally consent to sex to begin with.........

Actually, in 1997, seeing as she was 15, nowhere in the country could she legally consent. By 1997 all states had a minimum age of 16 or older.

 

[Atreus21]

Dirtbag needs an serious ass-kicking if he did this.

 

[woolfe9999]

I think his point is that there can be a subsect of any religion that's crazy as shit. However, the flaw in his logic is that there's a far greater percentage of Muslims that do shit like this than Christians.

No, there's no flaw in his logic. Comparing the two religions to determine which is "worse" is a silly and pointless exercise. Any religion can be perverted to an evil purpose quite easily. The scriptures and theology of every religion contain much than can be used to justify any sort of behavior.

To the extent that there is worse behavior coming from Muslims in the present day world, that is most likely due to differences in culture. Religion follows culture much more than culture follows religion. If we posit that 200 years from now, the Muslim world has undergone a liberal enlightenment, I suspect that somehow Islam will seem like a much more tolerant religion than it does today. Look at the behavior of Christians 500 years ago. What changed? The Bible is the same.

 

[mrjminer]

No, there's no flaw in his logic. Comparing the two religions to determine which is "worse" is a silly and pointless exercise. Any religion can be perverted to an evil purpose quite easily. The scriptures and theology of every religion contain much than can be used to justify any sort of behavior.

To the extent that there is worse behavior coming from Muslims in the present day world, that is most likely due to differences in culture. Religion follows culture much more than culture follows religion. If we posit that 200 years from now, the Muslim world has undergone a liberal enlightenment, I suspect that somehow Islam will seem like a much more tolerant religion than it does today. Look at the behavior of Christians 500 years ago. What changed? The Bible is the same.

Sure, any religion can be perverted, but so can any other point. This isn't an argument of "LOL EVERYTHING CAN BE GOOD OR EVERYTHING CAN BE EVIL DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT LOLOL," it's an argument of: do the majority of their followers agree with their actions, or do they view them as a crazy subsect independent of the whole? As a baseline, does the rest of the world view this subsects actions as fucking crazy? The answers to both of these questions must be identical for an agreement to occur. These agreements do not occur because, as I said, there's a far greater percentage of Muslims that do shit like this than Christians.

It makes absolutely no difference whether or not they have undergone "liberal enlightenment." As you yourself state, sure they may be "more tolerant" in 200 years, but the fact of the matter is that this is not 200 years in the future. Sure, five hundred years ago Christians did some fucked up things they wouldn't do today, but that was five hundred years ago -- Muslims do them in the present, which is all that matters.

You don't see the majority of the world saying "Hanukah? Mother fucker those people are outrageously crazy," or "Man, they refuse to kill even a single bug? If that fucker didn't kill some bug I saw, I'd kill him," but you do see the majority saying "Wow, they fucking stoned some woman to death for being raped, then gave the guy who raped her a medal. That's fucking crazy."

 

[Macamus Prime]

What's this?? A thread about Islam, the Koran and rape,... and it involves Christians, instead of Muslims. Why would these forums even bother to post it, if there aren't any Mus,... OH! The rapist is black,.. isn't he?

Ok! Now I get it!

Thanks, carry on!