Christians have Christianity all wrong,

[Moonbeam]

It seems that, having been duped by some of the actions of Jesus, Christians mistakenly focused on the poor, but a vision from God has straightened that out. Christians are supposed to work with the various monsters God choses to lead the world, and support them in God's work:

Read this and listen to the segment to get your own true understanding:

Link

 

[JKing106]

Repent, heretic! The Almighty Dollar is not a forgiving god!

 

[bamacre]

Can't get any audio, IE nor FF.

 

[Jaskalas]

God damn America!

It has all these right wing terrorists running amok.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam's Link
In the book The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power, author Jeff Sharlet examines the power wielded by a secretive Christian group known as the Family, or the Fellowship.

Founded in 1935 in opposition to FDR's New Deal, the evangelical group's views on religion and politics are so singular that some other Christian-right organizations consider them heretical

I especially liked this part.

The current leader, Doug Coe, shuns publicity but wields considerable political influence as a spiritual adviser. Sharlet says that when Sanford recently compared his struggles to those of the biblical King David ? a central figure in Family theology ? the author "could almost hear Doug Coe's voice" coming out of the South Carolina governor.

So, I?m to believe this Doug Coe character, whom I?ve never heard of, whose group ?The Family? I?ve never heard of, is directly controlling or influencing the South Carolina governor. As if Doug Coe is speaking through him.

Wow.

Look out Moonbeam, there?s a Doug Coe hiding under your bed! Least, that?s what NPR wants you to believe.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It seems that, having been duped by some of the actions of Jesus, Christians mistakenly focused on the poor, but a vision from God has straightened that out. Christians are supposed to work with the various monsters God choses to lead the world, and support them in God's work:

Read this and listen to the segment to get your own true understanding:

Link

People failing to follow their supposed faith? I?m shocked!

If you would like to discuss this you can feel free to leave the NPR?s boogeyman out of this. There?s no need for bed wetting here if you?d like to discuss how the religious betray their own values and Lord.

The meaning of Christ, as I saw it, was self sacrifice to the point of folly. Anyone lifting so much as a hair to harm another human being has betrayed the meaning behind the story. Christians are worshiping a guy who, as told, did not resort to any sort of violence in the face of a brutal and most torturous death. If only we were all so willing.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Can't get any audio, IE nor FF.

I gots win 7 pre release media player and it works fine, Don't know why you can't get it.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bamacre
Can't get any audio, IE nor FF.

I gots win 7 pre release media player and it works fine, Don't know why you can't get it.

I didn't see the link for the direct mp3 download.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
God damn America!

It has all these right wing terrorists running amok.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam's Link
In the book The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power, author Jeff Sharlet examines the power wielded by a secretive Christian group known as the Family, or the Fellowship.

Founded in 1935 in opposition to FDR's New Deal, the evangelical group's views on religion and politics are so singular that some other Christian-right organizations consider them heretical

I especially liked this part.

The current leader, Doug Coe, shuns publicity but wields considerable political influence as a spiritual adviser. Sharlet says that when Sanford recently compared his struggles to those of the biblical King David ? a central figure in Family theology ? the author "could almost hear Doug Coe's voice" coming out of the South Carolina governor.

So, I?m to believe this Doug Coe character, whom I?ve never heard of, whose group ?The Family? I?ve never heard of, is directly controlling or influencing the South Carolina governor. As if Doug Coe is speaking through him.

Wow.

Look out Moonbeam, there?s a Doug Coe hiding under your bed! Least, that?s what NPR wants you to believe.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It seems that, having been duped by some of the actions of Jesus, Christians mistakenly focused on the poor, but a vision from God has straightened that out. Christians are supposed to work with the various monsters God choses to lead the world, and support them in God's work:

Read this and listen to the segment to get your own true understanding:

Link

People failing to follow their supposed faith? I?m shocked!

If you would like to discuss this you can feel free to leave the NPR?s boogeyman out of this. There?s no need for bed wetting here if you?d like to discuss how the religious betray their own values and Lord.

The meaning of Christ, as I saw it, was self sacrifice to the point of folly. Anyone lifting so much as a hair to harm another human being has betrayed the meaning behind the story. Christians are worshiping a guy who, as told, did not resort to any sort of violence in the face of a brutal and most torturous death. If only we were all so willing.

Hehe, excellent points. There may be some truth in what you say. My reaction to this info may be similar to your bed wetting over Islam. And like you, I might just be feeling a need to get my paranoia out there.

 

[Vic]

No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.
-- Matthew 6:24

 

[Wheezer]

You guys do realize that people are always thinking there is some sort of "secret" society or think tank that is controlling government...from the masons to skull & bones, the Jews, communists, Catholics, secret military organizations, the mob and now Christians....think about it....if all these entities are behind the government and are so damn influential...how the fuck are they all working together....it's simple they aren't.

it's absurd..the only entities controlling our government is the almighty dollar and selfish greed...that's it....which is why were are in the clusterfuck we are today.

its a vicious cycle that will continue so long as one man has power over another....until humanity is wiped from the planet either by our own hand or something else's...we are fucked....get used to it the ride ain't even half over.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
You guys do realize that people are always thinking there is some sort of "secret" society or think tank that is controlling government...from the masons to skull & bones, the Jews, communists, Catholics, secret military organizations, the mob and now Christians....think about it....if all these entities are behind the government and are so damn influential...how the fuck are they all working together....it's simple they aren't.

it's absurd..the only entities controlling our government is the almighty dollar and selfish greed...that's it....which is why were are in the clusterfuck we are today.

its a vicious cycle that will continue so long as one man has power over another....until humanity is wiped from the planet either by our own hand or something else's...we are fucked....get used to it the ride ain't even half over.

Since you already know the Truth and are in no need of further knowledge, I can assume you didn't read the article and didn't listen to the link, right?

Questions I might ask are what is this group, does it exist, does it do what the article suggests, are the facts about it correct, did the So Carolina governor resign, why not, etc.

Remember, just because somebody is paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. Why not, instead of predetermining all information out there as lunatic fringe, you just examine what facts you can. Your assumption that humanity is fated to this or that is a self fulfilling prophecy with your passive surrender to it. How about growing some testicles and fighting for change. You CAN change at the minimum, YOURSELF, and that will be all that matters.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Wheezer
You guys do realize that people are always thinking there is some sort of "secret" society or think tank that is controlling government...from the masons to skull & bones, the Jews, communists, Catholics, secret military organizations, the mob and now Christians....think about it....if all these entities are behind the government and are so damn influential...how the fuck are they all working together....it's simple they aren't.

it's absurd..the only entities controlling our government is the almighty dollar and selfish greed...that's it....which is why were are in the clusterfuck we are today.

its a vicious cycle that will continue so long as one man has power over another....until humanity is wiped from the planet either by our own hand or something else's...we are fucked....get used to it the ride ain't even half over.

Since you already know the Truth and are in no need of further knowledge, I can assume you didn't read the article and didn't listen to the link, right?

Questions I might ask are what is this group, does it exist, does it do what the article suggests, are the facts about it correct, did the So Carolina governor resign, why not, etc.

Remember, just because somebody is paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. Why not, instead of predetermining all information out there as lunatic fringe, you just examine what facts you can. Your assumption that humanity is fated to this or that is a self fulfilling prophecy with your passive surrender to it. How about growing some testicles and fighting for change. You CAN change at the minimum, YOURSELF, and that will be all that matters.

pretty much because I don't give a rats ass what happens.

Especially when it comes to the idiots in this country.

as long as my family and close friends are healthy and happy....the rest can go to hell.

is it fair that some poor child is gang raped in Africa or sold into prostitution in Thailand or that our streets are littered with the homeless?.....unfortunate yes but life is not fair...it never has been and never will be.

 

[piasabird]

I have never seen an article so full of pure baloney. A good researcher can take any religion or any secular non-profit and dig up some dirt on them. Anyone in politics knows this. The biggest problem in politics is that the press tries to brainwash people and too many sheeple are so easily brainwashed.

Sure there are meglomaniacs in politics and some of them are Christians and some of them pretend at religion. Even O'Bamma and the Clintons claimed to be Christians that went to church when it was to their political benefit. Al Gore and Kerry both tried to make themselves appealing to religious groups.

When I see an article like this from a Secular National Radio Station funded by public dollars, it is crystal clear that this article has a certain level of Anti-Christian Agenda. It is just Fear Mongering against religion.

What does NPR know about christians?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Vic
No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.
-- Matthew 6:24

Perfect quote for the situation. Words honestly failed me reading that article....

 

[sandorski]

Interesting.

 

[Phokus]

Fact: Jesus was pro-gun, pro-free market, pro-low taxes, pro-ronald reagan, pro-rich, anti-environment, pro-war. It's all in the bible

*is a republican*

*doesn't read the bible at all*

*pretends he does*

 

[irishScott]

There are greedy politically influential fundamentalist Christians who might band together to unite their respective influences? NO WAI!!! :roll:

As for the whole conspiracy bullshit, the problem with conspiracy theories is that there's always more possible levels. ie: Some people say the Free Masons control everything and that the US is meant to establish a new world order, but what if the Masons are actually being controlled by the Illuminati, whose goal is to wipe out Islam over time with American consumerism? And what if they're controlled by the secret emperor of China who's really taking orders from the Dahlai Llama and the list goes on. IMO God is the ultimate conspiracy theory, but that's for another thread. For the record I believe in God, but don't claim any knowledge of his nature or "word". Unlike conspiracy theorists, I don't state my beliefs as facts.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: irishScott
There are greedy politically influential fundamentalist Christians who might ban together to unite their respective influences? NO WAI!!! :roll:

As for the whole conspiracy bullshit, the problem with conspiracy theories is that there's always more possible levels. ie: Some people say the Free Masons control everything and that the US is meant to establish a new world order, but what if the Masons are actually being controlled by the Illuminati, whose goal is to wipe out Islam over time with American consumerism? And what if they're controlled by the secret emperor of China who's really taking orders from the Buddha and the list goes on. IMO God is the ultimate conspiracy theory, but that's for another thread. For the record I believe in God, but don't claim any knowledge of his nature or "word". Unlike conspiracy theorists, I don't state my beliefs as facts.

Hmm, I didn't get the whole "OMG Conspiracy!" thingy from listening to the interview. :shrug;

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: irishScott
There are greedy politically influential fundamentalist Christians who might ban together to unite their respective influences? NO WAI!!! :roll:

As for the whole conspiracy bullshit, the problem with conspiracy theories is that there's always more possible levels. ie: Some people say the Free Masons control everything and that the US is meant to establish a new world order, but what if the Masons are actually being controlled by the Illuminati, whose goal is to wipe out Islam over time with American consumerism? And what if they're controlled by the secret emperor of China who's really taking orders from the Buddha and the list goes on. IMO God is the ultimate conspiracy theory, but that's for another thread. For the record I believe in God, but don't claim any knowledge of his nature or "word". Unlike conspiracy theorists, I don't state my beliefs as facts.

Hmm, I didn't get the whole "OMG Conspiracy!" thingy from listening to the interview. :shrug;

Not so much the interview, but the overall tone. Just take a look at the title: The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power. If that's not conspiracy theory I don't know what is. I know it's just the title and it's meant to attract attention, but it also means it's trying to cater to conspiracy theorists IMO.

This isn't anything major in that regard, and maybe I went a little overboard. Thing is, I seriously doubt this "Family" is as powerful as everything in the article/book seems to indicate.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Fact: Jesus was pro-gun, pro-free market, pro-low taxes, pro-ronald reagan, pro-rich, anti-environment, pro-war. It's all in the bible

*is a republican*

*doesn't read the bible at all*

*pretends he does*

I admittedly only glanced over the article, but I didn't see anything insinuating those points in there.

I wish Christians would better represent our faith - the liberties that some Christians take with the Bible are astounding

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: irishScott
There are greedy politically influential fundamentalist Christians who might ban together to unite their respective influences? NO WAI!!! :roll:

As for the whole conspiracy bullshit, the problem with conspiracy theories is that there's always more possible levels. ie: Some people say the Free Masons control everything and that the US is meant to establish a new world order, but what if the Masons are actually being controlled by the Illuminati, whose goal is to wipe out Islam over time with American consumerism? And what if they're controlled by the secret emperor of China who's really taking orders from the Buddha and the list goes on. IMO God is the ultimate conspiracy theory, but that's for another thread. For the record I believe in God, but don't claim any knowledge of his nature or "word". Unlike conspiracy theorists, I don't state my beliefs as facts.

Hmm, I didn't get the whole "OMG Conspiracy!" thingy from listening to the interview. :shrug;

Not so much the interview, but the overall tone. Just take a look at the title: The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power. If that's not conspiracy theory I don't know what is. I know it's just the title and it's meant to attract attention, but it also means it's trying to cater to conspiracy theorists IMO.

This isn't anything major in that regard, and maybe I went a little overboard. Thing is, I seriously doubt this "Family" is as powerful as everything in the article/book seems to indicate.

Maybe, maybe not. It seems they want to be and probably have some influence on things. The Author is merely pointing them out and doesn't seem to be making them into some grand threat. His biggest criticism seems to be around Separation of Church/State, but even then he's not a raving lunatic about it.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: irishScott
There are greedy politically influential fundamentalist Christians who might ban together to unite their respective influences? NO WAI!!! :roll:

As for the whole conspiracy bullshit, the problem with conspiracy theories is that there's always more possible levels. ie: Some people say the Free Masons control everything and that the US is meant to establish a new world order, but what if the Masons are actually being controlled by the Illuminati, whose goal is to wipe out Islam over time with American consumerism? And what if they're controlled by the secret emperor of China who's really taking orders from the Buddha and the list goes on. IMO God is the ultimate conspiracy theory, but that's for another thread. For the record I believe in God, but don't claim any knowledge of his nature or "word". Unlike conspiracy theorists, I don't state my beliefs as facts.

Hmm, I didn't get the whole "OMG Conspiracy!" thingy from listening to the interview. :shrug;

Not so much the interview, but the overall tone. Just take a look at the title: The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power. If that's not conspiracy theory I don't know what is. I know it's just the title and it's meant to attract attention, but it also means it's trying to cater to conspiracy theorists IMO.

This isn't anything major in that regard, and maybe I went a little overboard. Thing is, I seriously doubt this "Family" is as powerful as everything in the article/book seems to indicate.

Maybe, maybe not. It seems they want to be and probably have some influence on things. The Author is merely pointing them out and doesn't seem to be making them into some grand threat. His biggest criticism seems to be around Separation of Church/State, but even then he's not a raving lunatic about it.

I know, and like I said this isn't anything major. Everything might even be true, but IMO these people have no more power than the major lobbyist groups. They're just a little more direct about it. The closeness is the only factor worthy of potential note IMHO.

 

[ZeGermans]

"God doesn't exist" - A sane person

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
"God doesn't exist" - A sane person

Why don't you think God exists?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
"God doesn't exist" - A sane person

A wise person wouldn't claim to know what all the generations of humanity cannot prove or disprove.

Since you aren't wise...

 

[chess9]

God is just another word for money.

Moonie, you gotta' stop reading that kind of stuff. Your head's gonna' 'splode.

-Robert