Christian school fires pregnant woman over premarital sex

[PokerGuy]

If you believe in flying spaghetti monsters, then by definition you are something of a nutjob.

hahahaha. Of course. You know the REAL truth though right? :biggrin:

I'm glad that in your infinite wisdom you can find the time to scold us puny humans when we don't understand your grand designs

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is a religious school where parents send their kids specifically for education based on their religious beliefs. You don't have to like it or believe any of it, but they have a right to do just that.

If you don't like their crazy rules, you should not be teaching their 'crazy' kids, go find someone else to teach.

But think of the Leopard Frog!

 

[Darwin333]

A pregnant woman on display? Oh, the horror!

Those poor dears, how could anyone cope with seeing such a thing?

Who gives a shit?

She is displaying that she had pre-marital sex which has a negative impact on the "brand" the school is trying to sell since they firmly disagree with pre-marital sex. She knew the risks and decided to take them anyway. As I said, she could have had all the pre-marital sex she wanted and not have gotten fired. Its when she put herself in a position to display to the kids (customers) that she was engaging in activities against the "brand" of her employer that it became an issue.

I personally don't give a shit if people smoke crack. But if you are a professional and go into work looking like a crackhead I am not going to think anyone was wrong for firing you. It wasn't the smoking crack that was the issue, bringing it (or the consequences of it) to work is.

 

[Darwin333]

Then there is something wrong with you.

Why? I am actually a smoker but even I understand that certain employers wish to keep their medical insurance cost down to benefit ALL of their employees. I see no problem with that. Why should every other employee who works for that company have to pay much higher health insurance premiums because you want to force the company to hire me?

What happens when all the employers are Nazis?

What if they are all gay martians?

 

[Darwin333]

If the majority are getting screwed by a small minority then yes those contracts should be invalid.

We are only talking about a single person, hell call it 100 people just for shits and giggles. Seems like the majority are not getting screwed on this one.

OTOH, a TON of people have lost considerable personal income and possessions due to other social contracts not allowing pre-marital sex. So are you advocating that we should null and void all marriages in order to save the cheaters from being unfairly treated?

I'm sure that would never happen. All of those people who work at Foxconn are choosing to work at the worst employer ever. It's not like every employer in China is equally terrible, right guyz? That's why we don't need rules of any kind. The free market just sort of works things out. When the country is in the largest recession in 80 years and there's a huge oversupply of labor, companies will still have reasonable work conditions. American companies would never dream of exploiting American workers.

Not sure if you have noticed but we aren't China.......

 

[Veliko]

Who gives a shit?

Any right thinking person who doesn't believe in flying spaghetti monsters.

She is displaying that she had pre-marital sex which has a negative impact on the "brand" the school is trying to sell since they firmly disagree with pre-marital sex. She knew the risks and decided to take them anyway. As I said, she could have had all the pre-marital sex she wanted and not have gotten fired. Its when she put herself in a position to display to the kids (customers) that she was engaging in activities against the "brand" of her employer that it became an issue.

I personally don't give a shit if people smoke crack. But if you are a professional and go into work looking like a crackhead I am not going to think anyone was wrong for firing you. It wasn't the smoking crack that was the issue, bringing it (or the consequences of it) to work is.

Good lord.

Comparing a pregnancy with a crack addict.

What on earth are you smoking?

 

[Veliko]

Why? I am actually a smoker but even I understand that certain employers wish to keep their medical insurance cost down to benefit ALL of their employees. I see no problem with that. Why should every other employee who works for that company have to pay much higher health insurance premiums because you want to force the company to hire me?

And what next?

No hiring anyone who drinks beer.
No hiring anyone who travels more than 50 miles a week in case they have car crash.
No hiring anyone who partakes in sport, in case they break something.
No hiring anyone who eats burgers every so often.

What if they are all gay martians?

I'll answer this one for you:

When all the employers are Nazis, you aren't able to get a job with a non-Nazi employer.

 

[Atreus21]

Any right thinking person who doesn't believe in flying spaghetti monsters.

Man, the intellect of the average atheist is simply staggering to behold.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'll answer this one for you:

When all the employers are Nazis, you aren't able to get a job with a non-Nazi employer.

Let me explain this for you. That's the stupidest argument you could make. Wait, I'll qualify that. You might best yourself. So when all employers are gay martians you won't be able to get a job with one who isn't. More likely scenario. When all employers think as you do, no one will ever dare go to church or confess any spirituality because they'll never get a job.

We get it. You hate these people a lot more than they hate you.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Man, the intellect of the average atheist is simply staggering to behold.

To be fair most of the atheists/agnostics and religious for that matter that I know are reasonable people. You wouldn't know that because it's the crackheads among them that post in the most obnoxious way possible.

 

[Veliko]

Let me explain this for you. That's the stupidest argument you could make. Wait, I'll qualify that. You might best yourself. So when all employers are gay martians you won't be able to get a job with one who isn't. More likely scenario. When all employers think as you do, no one will ever dare go to church or confess any spirituality because they'll never get a job.

We get it. You hate these people a lot more than they hate you.

You seem to be misunderstanding things entirely.

The "get a job with an employer who isn't a Nazi" argument is the stupid one, because there shouldn't be Nazi employers in the first place.

The rest of your post is just absurd nonsense.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You seem to be misunderstanding things entirely.

The "get a job with an employer who isn't a Nazi" argument is the stupid one, because there shouldn't be Nazi employers in the first place.

The rest of your post is just absurd nonsense.

Here's how it is. These people aren't nazis. They have a different moral value system that you have and people (well most people) understand that it's a legitimate constraint that is necessary for the function for which the institution is being paid. You may not like it, but your hyperbole fails. Is Obama a nazi for removing republicans from the WH staff? If Pepsi fires a manager for starring in a Coke commercial are they Nazis? No, they aren't. It's a conflict of interest, something which injures their ability to do what they are hired or paid for. This college is being paid to meet a standard which you do not approve of. That's fine. Don't try to force the parents of those who do to subscribe to your views. That's a Nazi.

 

[Veliko]

Here's how it is. These people aren't nazis.

Firing someone for having consensual sex in the privacy of their own homes?

Yeah, that's a Nazi.

They have a different moral value system that you have

Ah, here we go with the excuses.

It's their culture to stone women who get raped, so it's okay.

and people (well most people) understand that it's a legitimate constraint that is necessary for the function for which the institution is being paid. You may not like it, but your hyperbole fails. Is Obama a nazi for removing republicans from the WH staff? If Pepsi fires a manager for starring in a Coke commercial are they Nazis? No, they aren't. It's a conflict of interest, something which injures their ability to do what they are hired or paid for. This college is being paid to meet a standard which you do not approve of. That's fine.

No, it is not fine, and every example that the supporters of these puritan mentalists have come up with so far are utterly ridiculous.

Don't try to force the parents of those who do to subscribe to your views. That's a Nazi.

I'm not forcing them to do anything at all.

 

[soulcougher73]

Breach on contract. She should be fired or find a place that allows her pre-marital sex.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well it seems you are indeed the self appointed metric of all others. Have fun hating.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh, while you at this "all x become nazi" thing, why don't you explain how that applies here since it only applies to religious school in this context? What about getting a job in one of the other schools, which relatively few have this restriction? These schools are seeking to maintain their standard. Other schools are free to act as they will. Postulate a plausible "all nazi" scenario. I dare you.

 

[1prophet]

School teacher fired for doing porn in past
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162...ed-calif-teacher-with-porn-past-loses-appeal/

http://www.examiner.com/article/porn-star-teacher-appeal-firing-lost-over-indecent-past

District superintendent Jeff Chancer applauded the commission's ruling.
Halas' decision to "engage in pornography was incompatible with her responsibilities as a role model for students and would present an insurmountable, recurring disruption to our schools should she be allowed to remain as a teacher," Chancer said in a statement.

Denied being school teacher because of picture of drink in hand
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/college-sued-over-drunken-pirate-sanctions


Can go on all day long with such incidents in secular institutions but if it's a Christian School somehow ones personal life must remain off limits,

Porn is legal and so is drinking and liberals defend both but God forbid the children who are internet pro's today see any of it without the protection of adults.

liberals just as hypocritical as conservatives,

 

[ShawnD1]

They have a different moral value system that you have and people (well most people) understand that it's a legitimate constraint that is necessary for the function for which the institution is being paid.

So you're saying that immigrants from China who strongly believe in 18 hour work days should be allowed to open sweatshops in the poorest parts of America? You can do whatever you want as long as you believe things?
"We are trying to uphold Chinese values at our company. That's why we get our employees to sign contracts saying they will urinate no more than once per day." If a person pissed twice and got fired, half of the people on this forum would side with the employer. THIS is why USA has some of the poorest people in the developed world.

 

[tweaker2]

Mostly skimmed over the middle of this thread so forgive me if I missed it but, if this school accepts federal $$$, shouldn't there be a problem with this firing per constitutional/bill of rights issue?

 

[ShawnD1]

Mostly skimmed over the middle of this thread so forgive me if I missed it but, if this school accepts federal $$$, shouldn't there be a problem with this firing per constitutional/bill of rights issue?

Why? Does the bill of rights actually say something about the right to have sex?

 

[nehalem256]

So you're saying that immigrants from China who strongly believe in 18 hour work days should be allowed to open sweatshops in the poorest parts of America? You can do whatever you want as long as you believe things?
"We are trying to uphold Chinese values at our company. That's why we get our employees to sign contracts saying they will urinate no more than once per day." If a person pissed twice and got fired, half of the people on this forum would side with the employer. THIS is why USA has some of the poorest people in the developed world.

You analogy is bogus.

It is more inline with Hooters only hiring attractive waitresses.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So you're saying that immigrants from China who strongly believe in 18 hour work days should be allowed to open sweatshops in the poorest parts of America? You can do whatever you want as long as you believe things?
"We are trying to uphold Chinese values at our company. That's why we get our employees to sign contracts saying they will urinate no more than once per day." If a person pissed twice and got fired, half of the people on this forum would side with the employer. THIS is why USA has some of the poorest people in the developed world.

And then they become Nazis? Zombies? Nazi zombies!

 

[OutHouse]

Firing someone for having consensual sex in the privacy of their own homes?

Yeah, that's a Nazi.



Ah, here we go with the excuses.

It's their culture to stone women who get raped, so it's okay.



No, it is not fine, and every example that the supporters of these puritan mentalists have come up with so far are utterly ridiculous.



I'm not forcing them to do anything at all.

Yea you are, you are forcing your morals onto them. The teacher signed a contract with a private business, she was free to do what she wanted and the concequences were spelled out.
/case closed

 

[Zorba]

Next employers will say you're not allowed to smoke cigarettes on your own time or drink beer on the weekend?

That is already happening to a degree, my mom's and wife's companies require a nicotine test to get insurance. If you test positive, you loose most or all of subsidy. Only a matter of time before it becomes a condition of employment.

In this case I think it was fair she was let go, based on the fact it was a private Christian school. Morals are a huge reason why parents send their kids to those school. If they was a non-religious school, or a bank, etc, I would be against it.

 

[Atreus21]

To be fair most of the atheists/agnostics and religious for that matter that I know are reasonable people. You wouldn't know that because it's the crackheads among them that post in the most obnoxious way possible.

That's true.