Christian missionaries killed in Al Qaeda country

Narmer

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This has got to be one of those "What the fuck were they thinking" news stories. It reminds me of the Taiwanese Christian nut that wanted to convert two lions to Christianity. Luckily they had just eaten but the female lion wanted some dessert and got herself some extra helpings before the zoo guards unfairly shot her.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6915633.stm

Taleban 'kill S Korean hostage'

The Taleban have killed one of the 23 South Korean hostages they abducted in Afghanistan, government officials say.


An official told the BBC a man's body was found in Ghazni province, where the Koreans have been held for six days.

The Taleban said it had killed the man because Kabul had not met its demands, but district official Khowja Seddiqi said the hostage was too ill to walk.

South Korea condemned the killing, and said the perpetrators could not avoid responsibility for their actions.

"The South Korean government bitterly deplores the killing of a South Korean national by kidnappers in Afghanistan. The kidnappers blamed for the killing will never avoid all responsibility for that inhumane act," said a statement from the office of President Roh Moo-Hyun, quoted by AFP news agency.

Mr Seddiqi could not confirm reports that eight of the Koreans had been freed.

Meanwhile, it has emerged that an abducted journalist freed on Wednesday is Danish, not German as reported earlier.

The journalist, named Khwaja Najibullah, is of Afghan origin, and worked for Danish television. He was freed along with his Afghan driver and translator.

Speaking after his release, Mr Najibullah said his abductors had released him after pressure from local people.

'Did not listen'

Local police said the South Korean man's body had been found with multiple bullet wounds in the Mushaki neighbourhood of Qarabagh district in Ghazni province - where the Koreans are being held.

South Korean media identified the man as Bae Hyung-Kyu, 42, a church pastor and leader of the group.

Mr Seddiqi, who is head of Qarabagh district, said the man had been killed because of a failure in negotiations, or because Taleban demands had not been met.

Earlier, Taleban spokesman Qari Yousuf Ahmadi announced the killing but told Reuters news agency that the group had killed the hostage because: "Kabul's administration did not listen to our demand and did not free our prisoners".

The spokesman repeated Taleban demands that eight of its jailed fighters be released, or more hostages would be killed.

The 23 Koreans were abducted in Ghazni, south-west of Kabul, on Thursday. The hostages - most of them women - are members of a Christian aid group.

In addition to the South Koreans, two Germans were kidnapped in central Afghanistan last week. The body of one was later found by a road.

This thread has gone out of bounds. El Locko.

 

Hacp

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If I remember correctly, most of them were women. The question is, why are they in there anyways? Afghanistan is a war zone. There are terrorists over there.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: Hacp
If I remember correctly, most of them were women. The question is, why are they in there anyways? Afghanistan is a war zone. There are terrorists over there.

They wanted to convert the muslims to christianity under the guise of "missionary" work. This was a disaster waiting to happen. I wonder why our government let them in in the first place.
 

blackllotus

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"Did they deserve?" is clearly the wrong question. I think you meant "did they have it coming?" I would say the answer is yes, they did have it coming, however I'm sure they were well aware of the risks and felt that they were contributing to the greater good. I wouldn't have done it, but it is a matter of personal choice in a situation like this and I think it is unnecessarily disrespectful to make fun of them (which is basically what you are doing).
 

1prophet

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According to the article they were being held as bargaining chips in order to release Taleban prisoners not because they were christians.



Earlier, Taleban spokesman Qari Yousuf Ahmadi announced the killing but told Reuters news agency that the group had killed the hostage because: "Kabul's administration did not listen to our demand and did not free our prisoners".

The spokesman repeated Taleban demands that eight of its jailed fighters be released, or more hostages would be killed.
 

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Hacp
If I remember correctly, most of them were women. The question is, why are they in there anyways? Afghanistan is a war zone. There are terrorists over there.

They wanted to convert the muslims to christianity under the guise of "missionary" work. This was a disaster waiting to happen. I wonder why our government let them in in the first place.

Are you speaking with real knowledge of how this Christian aid group is operating? I'm not religious but it seems plausible to me that there could exists Christian aid group who do not try to convert but rather just give aid. If I am wrong please enlighten me.
 

JEDIYoda

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You will not be enlightened because this is the type of stuff the OP lives to posts....

Just move on and don`t swaeat it!!

peace!!
 

Jaskalas

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Stupid move on their part, I feel sorry for them, but it comes as no surprise to see infidels slaughtered in the Islamic world.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Hacp
If I remember correctly, most of them were women. The question is, why are they in there anyways? Afghanistan is a war zone. There are terrorists over there.

They wanted to convert the muslims to christianity under the guise of "missionary" work. This was a disaster waiting to happen. I wonder why our government let them in in the first place.

Are you speaking with real knowledge of how this Christian aid group is operating? I'm not religious but it seems plausible to me that there could exists Christian aid group who do not try to convert but rather just give aid. If I am wrong please enlighten me.

If they wanted to do solely humanitarian work, then they should've kept their Bibles at home. If I was some poor refugee, I'd resent the fact that these people come with food in one hand and the Bible in another.
 

jrenz

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Wait a minute... I thought that all our problems could be solved if we just listened to and talked with our enemy? No need for violence, right? Why do you say that they deserved this when they were clearly looking for a non-violent way to help?
 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Hacp
If I remember correctly, most of them were women. The question is, why are they in there anyways? Afghanistan is a war zone. There are terrorists over there.

They wanted to convert the muslims to christianity under the guise of "missionary" work. This was a disaster waiting to happen. I wonder why our government let them in in the first place.

Are you speaking with real knowledge of how this Christian aid group is operating? I'm not religious but it seems plausible to me that there could exists Christian aid group who do not try to convert but rather just give aid. If I am wrong please enlighten me.

If they wanted to do solely humanitarian work, then they should've kept their Bibles at home. If I was some poor refugee, I'd resent the fact that these people come with food in one hand and the Bible in another.

Instead of an AK-47 in one hand, and the Koran in the other... right?
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: jrenz
Wait a minute... I thought that all our problems could be solved if we just listened to and talked with our enemy? No need for violence, right? Why do you say that they deserved this when they were clearly looking for a non-violent way to help?

Non-violent my ass. They were looking for converts by offering food and blankets. That's right, taking advantage of the weak when they're at their most vulnerable. I absolutely resent these people. IMHO, they picked the wrong people to convert and got it.

And in regards to your quip about listening to the enemy, the people they were helping were not "enemies" by any means. Seems like you have a problem with discerning who our true enemies are.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Hacp
If I remember correctly, most of them were women. The question is, why are they in there anyways? Afghanistan is a war zone. There are terrorists over there.

They wanted to convert the muslims to christianity under the guise of "missionary" work. This was a disaster waiting to happen. I wonder why our government let them in in the first place.

Are you speaking with real knowledge of how this Christian aid group is operating? I'm not religious but it seems plausible to me that there could exists Christian aid group who do not try to convert but rather just give aid. If I am wrong please enlighten me.

If they wanted to do solely humanitarian work, then they should've kept their Bibles at home. If I was some poor refugee, I'd resent the fact that these people come with food in one hand and the Bible in another.

Instead of an AK-47 in one hand, and the Koran in the other... right?

Well, if the objective was the same then you and I would agree that they deserved what they got, right?
 

RightIsWrong

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I've been one of the most vocal to criticize Christian behaviors in the past when I thought it was deserved, but these people neither deserve nor "had it coming".

We they smart for putting themselves in this position....no. But one person's stupidity is never reason for them to die at another person's hand.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I've been one of the most vocal to criticize Christian behaviors in the past when I thought it was deserved, but these people neither deserve nor "had it coming".

We they smart for putting themselves in this position....no. But one person's stupidity is never reason for them to die at another person's hand.

Of course it is. That's how nature works. Are you saying that human morality trumps nature? One is clearly more efficient than another otherwise we wouldn't be having so many problems.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Hacp
If I remember correctly, most of them were women. The question is, why are they in there anyways? Afghanistan is a war zone. There are terrorists over there.

They wanted to convert the muslims to christianity under the guise of "missionary" work. This was a disaster waiting to happen. I wonder why our government let them in in the first place.

Are you speaking with real knowledge of how this Christian aid group is operating? I'm not religious but it seems plausible to me that there could exists Christian aid group who do not try to convert but rather just give aid. If I am wrong please enlighten me.

If they wanted to do solely humanitarian work, then they should've kept their Bibles at home. If I was some poor refugee, I'd resent the fact that these people come with food in one hand and the Bible in another.

Instead of an AK-47 in one hand, and the Koran in the other... right?

Well, if the objective was the same then you and I would agree that they deserved what they got, right?

Yeah, cause giving people aid is the same as kidnap and torture. You've got a straight head on you!
 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: jrenz
Wait a minute... I thought that all our problems could be solved if we just listened to and talked with our enemy? No need for violence, right? Why do you say that they deserved this when they were clearly looking for a non-violent way to help?

Non-violent my ass. They were looking for converts by offering food and blankets. That's right, taking advantage of the weak when they're at their most vulnerable. I absolutely resent these people. IMHO, they picked the wrong people to convert and got it.


Wow....:confused:
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Hacp
If I remember correctly, most of them were women. The question is, why are they in there anyways? Afghanistan is a war zone. There are terrorists over there.

They wanted to convert the muslims to christianity under the guise of "missionary" work. This was a disaster waiting to happen. I wonder why our government let them in in the first place.

Are you speaking with real knowledge of how this Christian aid group is operating? I'm not religious but it seems plausible to me that there could exists Christian aid group who do not try to convert but rather just give aid. If I am wrong please enlighten me.

If they wanted to do solely humanitarian work, then they should've kept their Bibles at home. If I was some poor refugee, I'd resent the fact that these people come with food in one hand and the Bible in another.

Instead of an AK-47 in one hand, and the Koran in the other... right?

Well, if the objective was the same then you and I would agree that they deserved what they got, right?

Yeah, cause giving people aid is the same as kidnap and torture. You've got a straight head on you!

Aid to entice them to change their religion? What are the consequences of that action in Afghanistan? Death, right? Well, I can see your head is straight:roll:.
 

magomago

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Well I've never met a missionary group that actually went to help without packing bibles with them :p else it wouldn't be "missionary work"

Anyways, its sad they got caught up in this situation between the government of Kabul and the Taleban...its not like they were a part of it anyways! I don't see "how they had it coming"...more like "wrong place at the wrong time to have to get screwed over like this"
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Narmer
Well, if the objective was the same then you and I would agree that they deserved what they got, right?

Yeah, cause giving people aid is the same as kidnap and torture. You've got a straight head on you!

Aid to entice them to change their religion? What are the consequences of that action in Afghanistan? Death, right? Well, I can see your head is straight:roll:.

Good argument, telling us stupidity is sanction for murder, if you want to disprove any concept of moral equivalency. Your argument for contempt of the sanctity of human life is as barbaric as the 7th century ideology that pervades that region.

I hope you?re no product of the western world.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Narmer
Well, if the objective was the same then you and I would agree that they deserved what they got, right?

Yeah, cause giving people aid is the same as kidnap and torture. You've got a straight head on you!

Aid to entice them to change their religion? What are the consequences of that action in Afghanistan? Death, right? Well, I can see your head is straight:roll:.

Good argument, telling us stupidity is sanction for murder, if you want to disprove any concept of moral equivalency. Your argument for contempt of the sanctity of human life is as barbaric as the 7th century ideology that pervades that region.

I hope you?re no product of the western world.

I am the product of an ivy league education. Why don't you think about this for a second: Death is the punishment for anyone who converts from Islam in Afghanistan. How are these Christian missionaries helping the Afghans when they are signing their death sentences? To the Christians, as to the Islamic fanatics, it is the work of God, therefore it is beyond your morals and dogmas. To them, the aid is just a means to an end, an end in the Trinity. IMHO, they had it coming because they knew damn well what they were doing but consoled themselves in the fact that the end justifies the means. If it didn't, they could've gone under the guise of a secular aid organization.

EDIT: And you can personalize death by calling it murder, but that's what it is, death. The missionary got killed because of his own beliefs. It was stupid and he got killed for it. It happens in the natural world, how is this any different?
 

ProfJohn

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Am I surprised, no.
Were they victims, yes.
Did the deserve it, no.
Were they stupid for being there in the first place, yes.

Is this thread disgusting for suggesting these people deserved to die for what they did? Very much so.
I suppose you believe if a Jewish guy walks through Harlem and gets mugged that he deserves it?
 

JD50

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Wow, like we needed any more proof that Narmer is a sick individual. They were trying to help people and you think that its perfectly fine that they were murdered? You have some serious issues....
 

1prophet

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Originally posted by: Narmer


I am the product of an ivy league education. Why don't you think about this for a second: Death is the punishment for anyone who converts from Islam in Afghanistan. How are these Christian missionaries helping the Afghans when they are signing their death sentences? To the Christians, as to the Islamic fanatics, it is the work of God, therefore it is beyond your morals and dogmas. To them, the aid is just a means to an end, an end in the Trinity. IMHO, they had it coming because they knew damn well what they were doing but consoled themselves in the fact that the end justifies the means. If it didn't, they could've gone under the guise of a secular aid organization.

EDIT: And you can personalize death by calling it murder, but that's what it is, death. The missionary got killed because of his own beliefs. It was stupid and he got killed for it. It happens in the natural world, how is this any different?



Ivy league like President Bush?

Did you also belong to the Skull and Bones?
 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: JD50
Wow, like we needed any more proof that Narmer is a sick individual. They were trying to help people and you think that its perfectly fine that they were murdered? You have some serious issues....

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