Christian broadcaster calls for the assasination of Venezuela's Chavez

[imported_tss4]

Robertson: U.S. should 'take out' Venezuela's Chavez

"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson told viewers on his "The 700 Club" show Monday. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war."

Robertson, a contender for the Republican presidential nomination in 1988, called Chavez "a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us badly."

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said. "We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

<sigh> This is why I get very nervous when poltics and religion get mixed up. Christians taking up arms to defend themselves is one thing, but calling for the assasiantion of a foreign leader because you don't like their policies is just plain immoral. How can good people listen to this man?

 

[JonMooring]

Bleh. We don't need a war or an assasination.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: tss4
<sigh> This is why I get very nervous when poltics and religion get mixed up.

Christians taking up arms to defend themselves is one thing, but calling for the assasiantion of a foreign leader because you don't like their policies is just plain immoral.

How can good people listen to this man?

The same as supposedly good religious people supporting Bush the War President.

I put this in my Oil thread last night.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Robertson's a certifiable nut. Then again, so is Chavez.

How do insane people get so far in politics?

 

[raildogg]

Wtf is this? so a religious extremist says something extreme? whats the big deal?

muslim leaders say things much worse than this. where is your outcry over that?

besides, many of them call for deaths of innocent civilians. he is simply calling for a removal of Chavez. its not right

why are you labeling all christians as having something to do with this guy?

 

[CaptnKirk]

muslim leaders say things much worse than this. where is your outcry over that?


Muslim leaders don't have political influence on our Government in the same way that the Religeous Right has.

Our extremists are better than their extremists ?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
muslim leaders say things much worse than this. where is your outcry over that?


Muslim leaders don't have political influence on our Government in the same way that the Religeous Right has.

Our extremists are better than their extremists ?

when did i say that they are better?

it seems that people pick and choose different people they want to criticize. in this case, christians

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
muslim leaders say things much worse than this. where is your outcry over that?


Muslim leaders don't have political influence on our Government in the same way that the Religeous Right has.

Our extremists are better than their extremists ?

Have you noticed how every significant muslim leader denounced the terror attacks on london? Even the religious leader in Iran did so. You know, the terror-state?
I wonder why i didn't hear about that on CNN.

 

[yllus]

Well, IIRC the dude also said that America deserved 9/11 because of gays or something akin to that. I don't exactly think that he speaks for many people.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Wtf is this? so a religious extremist says something extreme? whats the big deal?

muslim leaders say things much worse than this. where is your outcry over that?

besides, many of them call for deaths of innocent civilians. he is simply calling for a removal of Chavez. its not right

why are you labeling all christians as having something to do with this guy?

I never labeld ALL christians to be associated with this guy, but he's a popular christian television personality. He wouldn't be unless he had influence with christians. (I know from personal expereince in my home town that he has influence) Certainly I would agree that the majority of christians are smarter than this. Still it is troubling that a man like this can influence a signficant number of christians (even if its not the majority). And I do get out raged at the violence preached by muslim clerics. That's why it concerns me so much when christian preachers do the same. I don't understand why you wouldn't be concerned? If you are a christian (which I don't know if you are or not-doesn't really matter), wouldn't you be outraged if someone labeled a christian advocated such sinful behavior?

Still, when government and religion mix, this is what you get. I'd certainly agree that the middle east is the ultimate example of that.

My criticism is with religion of any type getting involved in politics and calling for death as a political tool. I've never been anything other than critical of any religion acting this way. Try not to jump to conclusions.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: yllus
Well, IIRC the dude also said that America deserved 9/11 because of gays or something akin to that. I don't exactly think that he speaks for many people.

He's always jumping on the anti-gay bandwagon. In Orlando we have a celebration called Gay Days once a year where there are gay pride parades and events. Some years back, shortly after Gay Days, a hurricane was headed straight towards Orlando and Robertson publicly pronounced the hurricane was punishment from god for Orlando allowing the evuhl Gay Days. Almost immediately after PR made his claim, the hurricane turned northwest and ended up smacking Virginia Beach, Virginia, which is where Robertson's ministry is headquartered.

Maybe god was telling Pat to STFU? :laugh:

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Almost immediately after PR made his claim, the hurricane turned northwest and ended up smacking Virginia Beach, Virginia, which is where Robertson's ministry is headquartered.

Maybe god was telling Pat to STFU? :laugh:

lol, guess he didn't get the message!

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Almost immediately after PR made his claim, the hurricane turned northwest and ended up smacking Virginia Beach, Virginia, which is where Robertson's ministry is headquartered.

Maybe god was telling Pat to STFU? :laugh:

lol, guess he didn't get the message!

Or maybe he reinterpreted the direct hit as a sign that - 'God wants me to be a windbag.'?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: yllus
Well, IIRC the dude also said that America deserved 9/11 because of gays or something akin to that. I don't exactly think that he speaks for many people.

Robertson has great influence amongst the alleged Christian conservatives. He's just another lowlife . . . but he's a lowlife with an audience (700 Club), a university (Liberty), a broadcasting company (CBN), and I'm willing to wager . . . GWB answers his calls.

 

[judasmachine]

thou shall not kill, unless it fits your political agenda....

i don't recall seeing that last part on the ten commandments in my courthouse.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
thou shall not kill, unless it fits your political agenda....

i don't recall seeing that last part on the ten commandments in my courthouse.

Didn't you get the memo? Jesus was a lawyer . . . depends on what the meaning of "not" is.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: judasmachine
thou shall not kill, unless it fits your political agenda....

i don't recall seeing that last part on the ten commandments in my courthouse.

Didn't you get the memo? Jesus was a lawyer . . . depends on what the meaning of "not" is.

apparently. the truth is that christians do more damage to christianity than us agnostics and atheists ever dreamed of...

mullah robertson needs to keep his fatwahs, and jihads to himself.

 

[johnnobts]

now lets be honest, there are plenty of pagans who would like to see Chavez taken out as well, and who believe Venezuela does pose a significant threat.

its also silly for some of you to compare pat robertson (who i don't support, never cared for the 700 club) to a mullah. He's not calling for a jihad against all venezualans, or against all "infidels," he's speaking on political matters pertaining to national security. You're making the claim that Christians are not allowed to express their political opinions, or their opinions about how to handle national security. I'd also like to note that pat robertson did lose his tax exemption status b/c of his obsession with politics, he is by far considered to be more of a political pundit than a seriously respected evangelical. in other words, he's no billy graham. i think if he's lost his status he should feel free to speak on political issues. its interesting that the leftist church leaders, specifically groups like the rainbow coalition and black church leaders like jackson, have not lost their exemption status, when everyone knows that they actually preach from their pulpits who to vote for and what specific political views all blacks should have. i never cheapen the pulpit by preaching politics. its a double standard...

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
now lets be honest, there are plenty of pagans who would like to see Chavez taken out as well, and who believe Venezuela does pose a significant threat.

its also silly for some of you to compare pat robertson (who i don't support, never cared for the 700 club) to a mullah. He's not calling for a jihad against all venezualans, or against all "infidels," he's speaking on political matters pertaining to national security. You're making the claim that Christians are not allowed to express their political opinions, or their opinions about how to handle national security. I'd also like to note that pat robertson did lose his tax exemption status b/c of his obsession with politics, he is by far considered to be more of a political pundit than a seriously respected evangelical. in other words, he's no billy graham. i think if he's lost his status he should feel free to speak on political issues. its interesting that the leftist church leaders, specifically groups like the rainbow coalition and black church leaders like jackson, have not lost their exemption status, when everyone knows that they actually preach from their pulpits who to vote for and what specific political views all blacks should have. i never cheapen the pulpit by preaching politics. its a double standard...

you have a point but if i didn't hear so many parrots echoing everything the man said, and then telling me it's god's will, i'd be more akin to shut up on the matter. oh and thanks for the title 'pagan' how very charitble of you. i personally prefer the title infidel.

 

[johnnobts]

to be honest with you, as an evangelical Christian living here in the south (you don't get much more south than alabama), and as a pastor, I can truly say to you I don't know a single member of my congregation who gives the 700 club or pat robertson the time of day... i don't think he's nearly as relevant as he thinks he is, or as some on the left think he is. He's certainly not a leader among the younger generation of christians (in their 20s, 30s, 40s), maybe the blue-haired seniors. however, the blue-haired aarp crowd does tend to show up to vote a whole lot more than the younger generations. Of course, if pat robertson called for a jihad, i can't see an 80 year old shut-in buying a rocket launcher and going off to fight in a guerrilla war in venezuela or wherever...

 

[mylok]

"He's not calling for a jihad against all venezualans, or against all "infidels," he's speaking on political matters pertaining to national security."

uhhh sorry but i think he is calling for the US to MURDER someone.

"You're making the claim that Christians are not allowed to express their political opinions, or their opinions about how to handle national security."

sorry but wrong again he is wanting the US to MURDER someone.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
to be honest with you, as an evangelical Christian living here in the south (you don't get much more south than alabama), and as a pastor, I can truly say to you I don't know a single member of my congregation who gives the 700 club or pat robertson the time of day... i don't think he's nearly as relevant as he thinks he is, or as some on the left think he is. He's certainly not a leader among the younger generation of christians (in their 20s, 30s, 40s), maybe the blue-haired seniors. however, the blue-haired aarp crowd does tend to show up to vote a whole lot more than the younger generations. Of course, if pat robertson called for a jihad, i can't see an 80 year old shut-in buying a rocket launcher and going off to fight in a guerrilla war in venezuela or wherever...

sorry i can be so harsh, i really am. and i am glad that you don't have to suffer the monkey hear monkey say crowd. and of course the blue hairs are not going to do much but foster a hatred in their younger generations. and in defense of the left, or anyone else for interpreting what pat says as a broad brush against the whole of christianity, just remember most of us have been to your churches and rejected it for whatever reason, and this has bread a certain hostility. so the more airtime this guy gets, the more hostility is going to be fostered. we need to get all the zealots (no matter what color their spots are) off the idiot box, because there are too many idiots out there listening.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Robertson's a certifiable nut. Then again, so is Chavez.

How do insane people get so far in politics?

So glad you asked. Some people had exceptionally terrible childhoods beyond the normal worse-than-a-concentration-camp situation that most people had and have repressed an exceptionally large amount of terror and condemning hate, making it exceptionally hard, in such cases to fully suppress. Thus, for this and or a few other reasons, this self hate more frequently and more insistently threatens to erupt into consciousness for them. These types, then, need an intense amount of external stimulation and strife and external noise which they use to keep these feelings submerged. They are and become what you might call control freaks, persons whose lives is filled with vague and apparent threats they constantly need to struggle against as analogues of the feelings they are also suppressing. In this way they create what they fear and generally finally destroy their lives in an vane attempt to feel something real while remaining unconscious of the real feelings. They push out as they were pushed in. They manifest outwardly what was done to them inwardly. They have bought the lie that what they were born as as children is evil and must be destroyed. They are the diligent beacons of light that know what evil really is and can save the relatively more healthy from their ignorance. And thus they are inspired to lead.....the rest of us into their own living hell as Hitler did.

Their motto: The evil is always out there. Never look at yourself.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
to be honest with you, as an evangelical Christian living here in the south (you don't get much more south than alabama), and as a pastor, I can truly say to you I don't know a single member of my congregation who gives the 700 club or pat robertson the time of day... i don't think he's nearly as relevant as he thinks he is, or as some on the left think he is. He's certainly not a leader among the younger generation of christians (in their 20s, 30s, 40s), maybe the blue-haired seniors. however, the blue-haired aarp crowd does tend to show up to vote a whole lot more than the younger generations. Of course, if pat robertson called for a jihad, i can't see an 80 year old shut-in buying a rocket launcher and going off to fight in a guerrilla war in venezuela or wherever...

As an evangelical christian, it doesn't bother you that someone who calls themselves a christian can talk about assisination of a foreign leader? We aren't just talking about his take on affirmative action here, we're talking about assisination. Being from the south I would concur that his influence tends to be limited to the older generation. If people weren't listnening to his message, he wouldn't be on TV.

I think the comparison to a muslim mullah is perfectly valid. So in your view, Pat Robertson isn't so bad because he's only calling for the death of one man? Like I said, there's nothing wrong with using force to defend yourself, but assisinations for political reasons are morally wrong and as a Christian it bothers me that a well publicised christian would advocate assisination. It bothers me, also, that other christians (especially a preacher) would attempt to down play the evil that Pat Robertson is preaching.

Pat Robertson is a wolf in sheeps clothings. He's a predator that is attacking christianity from its own ranks. And our best response is "He's not calling for a jihad against all venezualans" to escuse a man that is openly calling for the assasination of a foreign leader?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: tss4
<sigh> This is why I get very nervous when poltics and religion get mixed up.

Christians taking up arms to defend themselves is one thing, but calling for the assasiantion of a foreign leader because you don't like their policies is just plain immoral.

How can good people listen to this man?

The same as supposedly good religious people supporting Bush the War President.

I put this in my Oil thread last night.

Perhaps you should go back to studying for the SAT, because I think you may miss all of the analogy questions. This isn't the same.