These are unique circumstances. I would hope that the judge would defer punishment for other students as well. They need to serve their time, but missing 60 days of school will put someone on a fast track to loser-ville.
These are unique circumstances. I would hope that the judge would defer punishment for other students as well. They need to serve their time, but missing 60 days of school will put someone on a fast track to loser-ville.
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While they were not aiming to permantly inure someone their prank casued it. everything else does not matter.
this is not a act of "boys will be boys". they had to have some idea that putting a deer in the middle of the road is a bad idea. that it could lead to someone getting really hurt. these were not little kids they were old enough to understand what could happen.
Everything else does matter. The legal system seperates charges based on intent. Premeditated crimes are considered more severe than crimes that happened in the heat of the moment. Involuntary crimes are considered differently than crimes where the intent was to harm the victim. The legal system differentiates and allows more leniency for things that "just happened" while it mandates tougher punishment for crimes that were planned out and intend to do harm. The courts should not be seen as the firery sword of God's vengeance. Our legal system is not intended to dole out "eye for an eye" punishments. We don't cut off hands of thieves. We don't stone adulterers. And this certainly isn't the first or the worst crime where the punishment has been delayed for whatever reason.
They can go to school while in the detention center. In fact they are legally required to even if they could have dropped out at an earlier age. Waiting till school was over would have not very little difference. They were allowed to continue to engage in extra-curricular activites. I don't know the judge or the kids. I can't say what his motives were. He could have felt that the activites are a positive influence in their lives, he might have felt that their presence might make the other kids on the team think twice about stupid pranks, or he might have wanted a better football season for the local school. I'm going to have to trust the judge's decisions.
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what does any of that have ot do with it? I'm not arguing they didn't get a long enough punishment or sever enough.
I'm saying that i think putting off the punishment until the end of football season is bullshit.
so if they did not aim to permanently injure someone is irrelevant.
It's still not irrelevant. Once again, intent has everything to do with it. If these kids had purposely tried to hurt people, there wouldn't be a snowball's chance in hell of them having their punishment delayed until football is over.
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hmm good point.
i was thinking along th elines of how long the sentance would be.
but that really makes you wonder what the fvck did they think would happen putting something in the road that people had to swerve to avoid?
anyway. still does not change the fact i think the judge was wrong in this situation. allowing them to put off the punishment until football season is over is wrong.
Except that it could be viewed as increasing the severity of the punishment.
I tend to side with the "what does it matter" crowd, it's not like they're a flight risk so doing their time might as well be worked out to have minimal impact on their academic life. For all the hell that breaks loose when someone suggests cutting sports to save a district's budget this shouldn't cause that much uproar.
While they certainly deserve to be punished, every effort should be made to minimize the impact on their future.
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My interpretation of it is that the judge wants to keep the positive influences in the kid's lives. Better to have a kid learn through extra curriculars than not. I also feel that, in general, sports teams are good influences on kids lives just like any acedemic activity that can help a highschooler mature and grow as a person. I would rather have them kept in "good" situations rather than kicked out of them in a situation like this.
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The quotation marks means it's a quote. Evidently the Principal of Kenton HS needs to sit in on a few english classes with ya.
I personally don't see how anyone can argue in the judges favor. The boys had to know they were breaking the law in blocking a highway, knew it was gonna cause "a commotion." Whether or not they intended to hurt anyone is irrelevant. They knowingly broke the law. That means go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200, and most definitely do not finish the season of football.
One of my dad's favorite phrases is "If your gonna do the crime, you gotta be willing to do the time." Hopefully they think about that next time they plan their "stunts."
Edit: Doesn't this fly right in the face of many school's "no pass no play" policies?
"I got a 69 and can't play , but billy commited a crime that caused brain injury, and he's starting?"
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The problem here is equal treatment under the law. Had these boys not been on the football team, do you really think the judge would have let them finish whatever they were doing before serving their sentence? My guess is, no, they'd be serving their time immediately.
Stupid prank or not, they failed to realize one of the obvious and likely outcomes of this "stupid prank". They put a fake deer in the middle of the road. What did they want to happen? Some driver chugging along at 20MPH stops 100 feet away, walks over and tosses it aside? Seriously. You don't mess with fast moving vehicles carrying humans. They didn't think AT ALL about the safety of the motorists on the roadway, and for that, they deserve any punishment that can be thrown at them.
I had a 17 year old friend that ran a red light, clipped a old lady who was alright after that, but then tumbled down into a ditch and hit her head and was generally all torn up from the tumble. She died a couple of days later in the hospital. He was charged with and found guilty of vehicular manslaughter and tried as an adult. These guys got off light.
And as far as the main point of the story... anyone that thinks athletes aren't privledged is a douche.
Wow...interesting to see ATOT has no problem with this by and large. Speaks volumes actually.
I'm sure the kid with brain damage and the driver who is scheduled for his 11th surgery agree...who cares right? As long as the future of the pranksters is protected...
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I'm sure the kid with brain damage and the driver who is scheduled for his 11th surgery agree...who cares right? As long as the future of the pranksters is protected...
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Actually, it speaks more about you wanting vengeance.
Lives have already been ruined, why contribute more to it?
These kids aren't violent criminals. They're not drug dealers. They're young and they fvcked up. They'll still have to serve their punishment, just at a later time. Of the great injustices in the world, this ranks abysmally low.
Interesting how you got vengeance from that. I think they should serve the time the judge ordered immediately. Should we start allowing people to schedule when they start their sentence?
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So, let's say they were members of the chess club, or the astronomy club, should they have delayed their sentence until after that big chess tournament next month, or possibly that meteor shower we will have in a month or two?
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So, let's say they were members of the chess club, or the astronomy club, should they have delayed their sentence until after that big chess tournament next month, or possibly that meteor shower we will have in a month or two?
It was the judge that decided when they should serve their sentence, which is a far cry from people scheduling their own sentences.
She made the judgement based on the fact that football could help change these kids and be a positive force on their lives. The kids are still serving their sentences, just at a later time.
For you to want them to suffer as much as possible, even in the face of what the judge ordered, is IMHO you wanting vengeance.
Contrary to what you may think, the justice system is about reform as much as it is punishment. If football can help them reform, it'd be much better then simply extra punishment.
Sure, you are right, it's just vengeance. You way of thinking in this matter is obviously right. When people commit crimes, they get a sentence and they serve it immediately. That has nothing to do with vengeance. If I was calling for their them to have the same injuries inflicted on them as they did on the accident victims, that might be vengeance, but calling for them to serve their sentence like everyone else, that's not "vengeance".
Fine, we'll move away from that and say you're being pedantic then. Judges are afforded discretion for certain circumstances. The judge felt that football would have a more positive impact on their lives than punishment would (read: reform). They're still serving their punishment, but the judge feels that football allows for reform to take place.
Like I said, I don't see how this is a grave injustice. It really doens't matter either way to me if these kids had to serve their sentence during or after football.
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