Chris Matthews Chews up Larry Thurlow on Hardball

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Thurlow is a freaking nutcase.

How did thurlow write the after action report, when elliot wrote it?


It does appear it is yet unknown who wrote the report.

Thurlow is saying that Kerry sneaked in his "own" report but where is that report ?? Then again why isn't Thurlow returning his Bronze Star ? Aren't Bronze Star's award for those who have encountered the enemy and preformed admirably and heroically ?

I am only saying that is a possibility. Right now, we dont know. We do know that the swift vets claim they did not do it.

Bronze star is awarded to those that distinguish himself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service. So it appears action is not required for such an award.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: villager

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Thurlow is a freaking nutcase.

How did thurlow write the after action report, when elliot wrote it?


It does appear it is yet unknown who wrote the report.

Thurlow is saying that Kerry sneaked in his "own" report but where is that report ?? Then again why isn't Thurlow returning his Bronze Star ? Aren't Bronze Star's award for those who have encountered the enemy and preformed admirably and heroically ?

Kerry's spot report is here. But it is not the after action report. Washington Post says whatever is the basis for Thurlow's bronze star could not come from Kerry since his boat was not close to Thurlow and could not witness it. The post reporters think the after action report was probably a mix of the different commanders, but it is strange it has not shown up yet.

Here is Thurlows Bronze Star report issued by the Navy which sites there was enemy fire which he now claims was not happening in todays show.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Thurlow%20Citation.pdf

That is the citation based on an action report. Elliot approved this, but there is still question as to who put in the for the medals. Thurlows claims he did not put in for the medals or write the after action report.
Thurlow did not get the bronze star until 3 months after he left service....

Once again, it should be easy enough to see who put in the for medals and who wrote the action report.

 

[villager]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: villager

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Thurlow is a freaking nutcase.

How did thurlow write the after action report, when elliot wrote it?


It does appear it is yet unknown who wrote the report.

Thurlow is saying that Kerry sneaked in his "own" report but where is that report ?? Then again why isn't Thurlow returning his Bronze Star ? Aren't Bronze Star's award for those who have encountered the enemy and preformed admirably and heroically ?

Kerry's spot report is here. But it is not the after action report. Washington Post says whatever is the basis for Thurlow's bronze star could not come from Kerry since his boat was not close to Thurlow and could not witness it. The post reporters think the after action report was probably a mix of the different commanders, but it is strange it has not shown up yet.

Here is Thurlows Bronze Star report issued by the Navy which sites there was enemy fire which he now claims was not happening in todays show.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Thurlow%20Citation.pdf

That is the citation based on an action report. Elliot approved this, but there is still question as to who put in the for the medals. Thurlows claims he did not put in for the medals or write the after action report.
Thurlow did not get the bronze star until 3 months after he left service....

Once again, it should be easy enough to see who put in the for medals and who wrote the action report.

Maybe its time for Mr Eliot to step up to the plate.

 

[gcy]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
and there is absolutely no evidence that Kerry wrote the report himself. Of course there is prior evidence of Bush using the same style of smear tactics of employing third parties against his political opponents. Just like he did with John McCain to attack his war experience, his adopted daughter and his wife's bout with cancer. What's to say this is nothing but the same old smear tactic from Bush.Co??? If war records are to become an issue then Bush is now fair game for his own record or lack of during the whole of that time period.

another example of dirty politics from bush's lapdogs
:disgust:

 

[dannybin1742]

She is very cute but she appears to be another wannabe Ann Coulter type of lady.

yeah but ann coulter is a right wing dumba$$ that couldn't write a book to save her life, with actual legitemate citations in it

 

[Todd33]

My favorite line:

OK. Thank you very much, Senator Max Cleland. In just a moment. Note, when we requested a representative from the Bush campaign tonight to join us this evening, they did not want to come up against the people on the show.

LOL. Cowards.

 

[DefRef]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

She is very cute but she appears to be another wannabe Ann Coulter type of lady.

yeah but ann coulter is a right wing dumba$$ that couldn't write a book to save her life, with actual legitemate citations in it

Um, you really don't know much, do you? You just spout whatever your Democratic master tell you. Ann Coulter is a best-selling author who's books are like 20% footnotes and bibliography. I guess you haven't actually looked at one, have you? You know, they have these places called "bookstores" and "libraries" that allow you to look thru these things.

As for you guys cheering that Matthews "beat down" the Michelle Malkin, I'm sure you'll love to read her account of the ambush she walked into believing that she'd be plugging her book.

Matthews is a bully, but as long as he's YOUR bully, it's OK. Bill O'Reilly sucks, but Matthews is OK? Ho-kay...


P.S. I'm not a Bush voter and think O'Reilly is a rude bully too.

 

[Todd33]

Matthew is rarely aggresive. He is normally happy go lucky. I guess he was just tired of all the lies and spin. Unlike the right wing pundits who pander to these liars and treat them with respect, which they don't deserve.

This Malkin b!tch is just trying to cash in on the Coulter "I think I'm hot and I'll write trash books" movement. No one on Earth with a brain thinks Ann Coulter or anyone like her is a ligitimate political jounalist. She is just like Savage, Hannity, Rush, etc. It's just Jerry Springer stuff to entertain white racist stupid people.

 

[DefRef]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Matthew is rarely aggresive. He is normally happy go lucky. I guess he was just tired of all the lies and spin. Unlike the right wing pundits who pander to these liars and treat them with respect, which they don't deserve.

This Malkin b!tch is just trying to cash in on the Coulter "I think I'm hot and I'll write trash books" movement. No one on Earth with a brain thinks Ann Coulter or anyone like her is a ligitimate political jounalist. She is just like Savage, Hannity, Rush, etc. It's just Jerry Springer stuff to entertain white racist stupid people.

You call people "b!tch" and "white racist stupid people" and think that you're the SANE one? Seek help. No one is calling Coulter a "journalist", but I guess women, especially non-liberal women, aren't allowed to have OPINIONS, are they? Real big supporter of free speech aren't you? Talk about being a fascist!

Heard the new Swift Boat ad yet? Your boy is going DOWN! You can't play "war hero" when you fake up your medals and have people who were TORTURED reminding us how "war protester" Kerry aided the VC like Jane Fonda did. He talks about leaving no man behind, but I guess he's got no problem with sacrificing whoever he needs to to advance his goals.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: Todd33
Matthew is rarely aggresive. He is normally happy go lucky. I guess he was just tired of all the lies and spin. Unlike the right wing pundits who pander to these liars and treat them with respect, which they don't deserve.

This Malkin b!tch is just trying to cash in on the Coulter "I think I'm hot and I'll write trash books" movement. No one on Earth with a brain thinks Ann Coulter or anyone like her is a ligitimate political jounalist. She is just like Savage, Hannity, Rush, etc. It's just Jerry Springer stuff to entertain white racist stupid people.

You call people "b!tch" and "white racist stupid people" and think that you're the SANE one? Seek help. No one is calling Coulter a "journalist", but I guess women, especially non-liberal women, aren't allowed to have OPINIONS, are they? Real big supporter of free speech aren't you? Talk about being a fascist!

Heard the new Swift Boat ad yet? Your boy is going DOWN! You can't play "war hero" when you fake up your medals and have people who were TORTURED reminding us how "war protester" Kerry aided the VC like Jane Fonda did. He talks about leaving no man behind, but I guess he's got no problem with sacrificing whoever he needs to to advance his goals.

OMG, you must be a joke. That's it. LMAO. Whew that was funny! Man, you had me going there for a minute. :laugh:

:roll:

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: DefRefUm, you really don't know much, do you? You just spout whatever your Democratic master tell you. Ann Coulter is a best-selling author who's books are like 20% footnotes and bibliography.

Actually they are endnotes, and most of the so called facts she cites tend to crumble when scrutinized.

 

[Todd33]

So, we should never protest wars? Getting tortured is the fault of the torturor, not citizens back home.

I commend Kerry for volenteering for combat duty and then having the balls to come out agains the war. He then worked in the Senate on MIA/POW issues. I guess your man Bush is safe, he was a drunk in Texas who never took a stand on anything until Rove and co. made him a canidate.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Todd33
So, we should never protest wars? Getting tortured is the fault of the torturor, not citizens back home.

I commend Kerry for volenteering for combat duty and then having the balls to come out agains the war. He then worked in the Senate on MIA/POW issues. I guess your man Bush is safe, he was a drunk in Texas who never took a stand on anything until Rove and co. made him a canidate.

There are no nutritional dates in Bush's can. He is an empty suit.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: DanJ
Transcript:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5765243/

MATTHEWS: These are after-the-fact observations. You say he had a plan ahead of time to make himself a war hero to get elected to office.

THURLOW: I?m saying that he had a plan that included not only being a war hero but getting an early out.

MATTHEWS: But you admit you have no tangible evidence.

THURLOW: I have my own personal observations.

MATTHEWS: Of what?

THURLOW: And you?re right, it is not tangible evidence.

MATTHEWS: OK, so you don?t. Let me ask you about...

THURLOW: I?m not in a court of law here.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!

 

[J Heartless Slick]

I have not seen Hardball but I respect Matthews for not allowing people to make statements without stating their sources.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

BUAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

You guys crack me up. You might actually want to read the transcript to see who was the uninformed one on lameball. It seems to me that Matthews is the one who is uninformed and he proved it with the Malkin portion. The Thurlow portion wasn't as you people claim either...but ofcourse you'll believe what you want anyway.

Malkin wrote a piece on her site which talks about her appearance. From reading the transcript and then reading her piece - Matthews was not only uninformed but acted like a asshole. Perk is correct about him.

Seems to me that the leftists are getting desperate with this swiftvet stuff, it's like they can't make it go away but are trying as hard as they can...but the only way to make it go away is to get the truth - something they don't seem interested in.

CkG

 

[DefRef]

dp

 

[DefRef]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Seems to me that the leftists are getting desperate with this swiftvet stuff, it's like they can't make it go away but are trying as hard as they can...but the only way to make it go away is to get the truth - something they don't seem interested in.

All Kerry needs to do is sign a SF-180 that would release EVERYTHING the Navy has on him. If the SwiftVets are the liars that the shrill Kerry hacks here keep shrieking they are, a release of documents would forever silence them and make Kerry's "dirty work" charges stick.

But, he's not doing that, is he? Instead, he's whining and crying about how mean people are and having his lapdogs in the media run an ad hominem campaign in which they don't deal with the charges, but try to BS us in to ignoring them because <gasp> Republicans are somehow involved. When George Soros gives $15 million to MoveOn, it's all good, but if some GOP member spends $150,000, oh hell, it's the end of the world!!!

Hypocrites.:disgust:

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Seems to me that the leftists are getting desperate with this swiftvet stuff, it's like they can't make it go away but are trying as hard as they can...but the only way to make it go away is to get the truth - something they don't seem interested in.

All Kerry needs to do is sign a SF-180 that would release EVERYTHING the Navy has on him. If the SwiftVets are the liars that the shrill Kerry hacks here keep shrieking they are, a release of documents would forever silence them and make Kerry's "dirty work" charges stick.

But, he's not doing that, is he? Instead, he's whining and crying about how mean people are and having his lapdogs in the media run an ad hominem campaign in which they don't deal with the charges, but try to BS us in to ignoring them because <gasp> Republicans are somehow involved. When George Soros gives $15 million to MoveOn, it's all good, but if some GOP member spends $150,000, oh hell, it's the end of the world!!!

Hypocrites.:disgust:

Kerry has the UNITED STATES NAVY backing him up. The Swift Boat Village People are the ones making the accusation. THEY are the ones that needed to provide proof. THEY are the ones that have lied. THEY are the ones that have FLIP-FLOPPED on their story. There's been thread after thread about this. I suggest you get caught up.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Nobody is getting desperate here except for the mudslinging Republicans. Hey CAD, care to explain why Kerry is opening up a can of whoop ass in several key battleground states, further increasing his lead. It looks like Ohio is now swinging further and further over to Kerry. If Kerry nabs Ohio, you can call this election over. Ohio+Penn+Florida=John Kerry for president. If anyone is desperate, or needs to be, its teh Republicans. They need to pull something huge off with their convention, and bashing Kerry is just not going to net them any of the gains they need. Oh, and in your state of Iowa Kerry has the lead amongst undecided voters.

 

[EcoLogic]

I agree completely CADkindaGUY.

Matthews was the idiot, especially during the Malkin portion. He kept asking, Did Kerry shoot himself implying as if that is what she was saying.

He wouldn't let her answer. He was an asshole. She was supposed to be allocated some time after their interview to discuss her book. He dismissed her after being an ass to her.

Network employees then borrowed (read: without asking) her copy of Unfit for Command to verify what the bonehead Matthews had said is true.

 

[DefRef]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Seems to me that the leftists are getting desperate with this swiftvet stuff, it's like they can't make it go away but are trying as hard as they can...but the only way to make it go away is to get the truth - something they don't seem interested in.

All Kerry needs to do is sign a SF-180 that would release EVERYTHING the Navy has on him. If the SwiftVets are the liars that the shrill Kerry hacks here keep shrieking they are, a release of documents would forever silence them and make Kerry's "dirty work" charges stick.

But, he's not doing that, is he? Instead, he's whining and crying about how mean people are and having his lapdogs in the media run an ad hominem campaign in which they don't deal with the charges, but try to BS us in to ignoring them because <gasp> Republicans are somehow involved. When George Soros gives $15 million to MoveOn, it's all good, but if some GOP member spends $150,000, oh hell, it's the end of the world!!!

Hypocrites.:disgust:

Kerry has the UNITED STATES NAVY backing him up. The Swift Boat Village People are the ones making the accusation. THEY are the ones that needed to provide proof. THEY are the ones that have lied. THEY are the ones that have FLIP-FLOPPED on their story. There's been thread after thread about this. I suggest you get caught up.

Um, news flash, Bub - it's KERRY who had to flip-flop on his Holiday In Cambodia story - a lie he told for DECADES before being called out and shown to be fibbing. And you want us to ignore that and think the Vets are lying. Puh-leeze...

Thread after thread of Kerry Kool-Aid guzzlers telling each other how smart they are and how stupid the other guys are are useless. Screaming "LIAR!!!" over and over doesn't make it so, especially when the accusations DO come with documentation. I'll bet you believe every lie Michael Moore has told about Bush, yet would never believe anything against your annointed, gold-digging, Anybody But Bush candidate.

16 fellow vets support Kerry and over 255 oppose him and you give the credence to the 16?!? If 255 vets came out attacking Bush, you'd believe them, but for some reason, there's no there there for you guys about Kerry.

Hypocrites.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Seems to me that the leftists are getting desperate with this swiftvet stuff, it's like they can't make it go away but are trying as hard as they can...but the only way to make it go away is to get the truth - something they don't seem interested in.

All Kerry needs to do is sign a SF-180 that would release EVERYTHING the Navy has on him. If the SwiftVets are the liars that the shrill Kerry hacks here keep shrieking they are, a release of documents would forever silence them and make Kerry's "dirty work" charges stick.

But, he's not doing that, is he? Instead, he's whining and crying about how mean people are and having his lapdogs in the media run an ad hominem campaign in which they don't deal with the charges, but try to BS us in to ignoring them because <gasp> Republicans are somehow involved. When George Soros gives $15 million to MoveOn, it's all good, but if some GOP member spends $150,000, oh hell, it's the end of the world!!!

Hypocrites.:disgust:

Kerry has the UNITED STATES NAVY backing him up. The Swift Boat Village People are the ones making the accusation. THEY are the ones that needed to provide proof. THEY are the ones that have lied. THEY are the ones that have FLIP-FLOPPED on their story. There's been thread after thread about this. I suggest you get caught up.

Um, news flash, Bub - it's KERRY who had to flip-flop on his Holiday In Cambodia story - a lie he told for DECADES before being called out and shown to be fibbing. And you want us to ignore that and think the Vets are lying. Puh-leeze...

Thread after thread of Kerry Kool-Aid guzzlers telling each other how smart they are and how stupid the other guys are are useless. Screaming "LIAR!!!" over and over doesn't make it so, especially when the accusations DO come with documentation. I'll bet you believe every lie Michael Moore has told about Bush, yet would never believe anything against your annointed, gold-digging, Anybody But Bush candidate.

16 fellow vets support Kerry and over 255 oppose him and you give the credence to the 16?!? If 255 vets came out attacking Bush, you'd believe them, but for some reason, there's no there there for you guys about Kerry.

Hypocrites.

Boy, you better do a little more research before spouting your mouth like that. How about instead of reading other threads, why don't you put down the neocon checklist of bullsh*t and actually think for yourself?

Oh and btw, didn't see F9/11 and won't see it. I do my own research, thank you very much. Do you?

 

[DefRef]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Nobody is getting desperate here except for the mudslinging Republicans. Hey CAD, care to explain why Kerry is opening up a can of whoop ass in several key battleground states, further increasing his lead. It looks like Ohio is now swinging further and further over to Kerry. If Kerry nabs Ohio, you can call this election over. Ohio+Penn+Florida=John Kerry for president. If anyone is desperate, or needs to be, its teh Republicans. They need to pull something huge off with their convention, and bashing Kerry is just not going to net them any of the gains they need. Oh, and in your state of Iowa Kerry has the lead amongst undecided voters.

You got a source for these magical poll results or are we supposed to just believe you like you want us to just believe Kerry?

Didn't think so.

Here's a CBS poll that shows Kerry slipping - spin your way out of this one!

Bush and Kerry in Tie Nationwide, CBS News Poll Finds (Update1)
Aug. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic challenger John Kerry has fallen into a statistical tie with President George W. Bush among voters nationwide, relinquishing a lead Kerry had after the Democratic National Convention last month, a CBS poll found.

Kerry, 60, a four-term Massachusetts senator, is supported by 46 percent of voters to 45 percent for Bush, within the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. The survey of 835 registered voters conducted Aug. 15-18 found independent candidate Ralph Nader backed by 1 percent. Kerry led Bush by 5 percentage points in a July 30-Aug. 1 poll, CBS said.

Kerry's support among veterans fell 9 percentage points from the earlier poll, CBS said, down to 37 percent from 46 percent. Kerry today criticized advertisements being aired by a group of veterans that questions whether he deserved the three Purple Hearts, Silver Star and Bronze Star he was awarded during the Vietnam War.

``I think that veterans are beginning to learn that while John Kerry has voted against the weapons systems and body armor that our troops need to win the war on terror, President Bush has provided historic support for our military and our veterans,'' Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel said.

A call to the Kerry campaign seeking comment was not immediately returned.

`A Front'

Kerry earlier today called the group of veterans supporting the attack advertisements ``a front for the Bush campaign.''

``This group isn't interested in the truth -- and they're not telling the truth,'' Kerry said in Boston.

Kerry's support among independents has also dropped, the poll found. Forty-four percent of independents now support Kerry, down from 50 percent in the earlier poll. Bush's support among independents has risen from 33 percent to 39 percent.

The top issues for voters were jobs and the economy, named by 24 percent, and the war in Iraq, picked by 20 percent. Health care was the third most important issue, selected by 12 percent of voters.

Thirty-six percent of registered voters said their taxes would go up if Bush, 58, was re-elected while 45 percent said they expect tax increases under a Kerry administration.

Among all 1,009 adults surveyed, 46 percent said they approve of the job Bush is doing as president and 37 percent approve of his handling of the economy. Thirty-nine percent said the country is heading in the right direction and 55 percent say the nation is on the wrong track, the poll found.

Electoral College

To win the presidency, a candidate must gain majorities in enough states to collect at least 270 Electoral College votes, which are apportioned among states based on congressional representation. That tally, rather than the national vote totals reflected in polls, determines the election winner.

A review of state-by-state polls and historical voting data by Bloomberg News shows Bush ahead in 19 states, including Texas and Utah, with 153 electoral votes. Kerry leads in 12 states, including New York and Illinois, with 179 electoral votes. In 19 states that have 206 electoral votes, including Ohio and North Carolina, results of the most recent polls are within the margin of error.

CLASS DISMISSED!!!!

 

[Todd33]

This guy is hung up on the Cambodia thing, I guess it's all he has. Meanwhile there is a list a mile long on Bush's lies and Fck-ups, but let's ignore them and scream at everyone instead.

BTW, I'll beleive the 16 in his boat and not the guys who didn't serve with him and are just upset about his Senate testomony. Are some vets bitter at him? Sure, does that make his medals fake and him unfit? Not at all. Like I say, follow the money.. it leads back to Texas Republican millionaires and friends of Karl A$$hat Rove.