Choice for Jesus not for thee

[brycejones]

Filed under the so close to getting it but nope just completely missed it department.

While this case is pending before scotus and from the questioning the outcome seems pretty clear.

Conservative justices seem poised to side with web designer who opposes same-sex marriage - SCOTUSblog

The Supreme Court heard oral argument on Monday in the case of Lorie Smith, a website designer and devout Christian who wants to expand her business to include wedding websites – but only for opposite-sex couples. Smith is challenging a Colorado law that prohibits most businesses from discriminating

www.scotusblog.com

This happened:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/food/2022/12/06/metzger-restaurant-family-foundation/

A restaurant in Richmond last week canceled a reservation for a private event being held by a conservative Christian organization, citing the group’s opposition to same-sex marriage and abortion rights.

“We have always refused service to anyone for making our staff uncomfortable or unsafe and this was the driving force behind our decision,” read an Instagram post from Metzger Bar and Butchery, a German-influenced restaurant in the Union Hill neighborhood whose kitchen is helmed by co-owner Brittanny Anderson, a veteran of TV cooking shows including “Top Chef” and “Chopped.” “Many of our staff are women and/or members of the LGBTQ+ community. All of our staff are people with rights who deserve dignity and a safe work environment. We respect our staff’s established rights as humans and strive to create a work environment where they can do their jobs with dignity, comfort and safety.”

The group, the Family Foundation, was set to host a dessert reception for supporters on Nov. 30, the group’s president, Victoria Cobb, wrote in a blog post describing the incident. About an hour and a half before it was slated to start, one of the restaurant’s owners called to cancel it, she wrote. “As our VP of Operations explained that guests were arriving at their restaurant shortly, she asked for an explanation,” Cobb wrote. “Sure enough, an employee looked up our organization, and their wait staff refused to serve us.”

The Family Foundation is based in Richmond and advocates for “policies based on biblical principles.” It has lobbied against same-sex marriage and abortion rights.

Restaurant staff refused to serve a private reception for a conservative religious group in Richmond VA. The religious group was outraged.

 

[eelw]

Since it didn’t get posted on Monday, but vile argument from Alito

Wonder what the look the other justices gave?

 

[Pens1566]

Does that video also cover his "Ashley Madison" reference as well? He's such a fucking twat.

 

[brycejones]

Does that video also cover his "Ashley Madison" reference as well? He's such a fucking twat.

Twats have a purpose, he is more like a boil on the ass of society.

 

[Pens1566]

Twats have a purpose, he is more like a boil on the ass of society.

Boil on the hemorrhoid on the ass of society?

 

[VashHT]

I was thinking it'd be funny for people to deny service to christians if the SC says this is OK,

 

[SMOGZINN]

As I posted the other day, the problem is that while a very small number of places might decide to deny service to Christians as a protest there will be entire regions of America where a LGBTQ person will not be able to get any service of any kind. There is a reason we created the public accommodation laws in the first place. It is short sighted for SCOTUS to undermine them in this way.

 

[darkswordsman17]

As I posted the other day, the problem is that while a very small number of places might decide to deny service to Christians as a protest there will be entire regions of America where a LGBTQ person will not be able to get any service of any kind. There is a reason we created the public accommodation laws in the first place. It is short sighted for SCOTUS to undermine them in this way.

Not when they can rule its illegal to discriminate against Christians specifically and keep enshrining Christians the right to disregard any and all laws because of their religious beliefs.

 

[MtnMan]

Conservative justices seem poised to side with web designer who opposes same-sex marriage - SCOTUSblog

The Supreme Court heard oral argument on Monday in the case of Lorie Smith, a website designer and devout Christian who wants to expand her business to include wedding websites – but only for opposite-sex couples. Smith is challenging a Colorado law that prohibits most businesses from discriminating

www.scotusblog.com

This happened:



Restaurant staff refused to serve a private reception for a conservative religious group in Richmond VA. The religious group was outraged.

Much of the staff are LGBTQ, which is the equivalent of the KKK trying to reserve a private meeting at a black owned restaurant.

But again this is a one way street with the hypocrites...

Fox News Anti-‘Cancel Culture’ Warriors Applaud Diner Owner for Banning Biden Supporters

Pete Hegseth was positively giddy over a Florida restaurant’s ban on Biden supporters, but in 2018, when Trumpkins were similarly targeted, he whined a much different tune.

www.thedailybeast.com

“If you voted for and continue to support and stand behind the worthless, inept and corrupt administration currently inhabiting the White House that is complicit in the death of our servicemen and women in Afghanistan, please take your business elsewhere,” reads the sign from owner Angie Ugarte. “God bless America and God bless our soldiers.”

 

[Captante]

I have zero problem with this restaurant taking a stand... in fact I applaud them for doing so on a personal level. Karma is a bitch.

Having said that, my unpopular opinion is that PRIVATE businesses should be allowed to serve (or not) whomever they choose within reason even if feelings are trodden upon.

 

[Pens1566]

I have zero problem with this restaurant taking a stand... in fact I applaud them for doing so on a personal level. Karma is a bitch.

Having said that, my unpopular opinion is that PRIVATE businesses should be allowed to serve (or not) whomever they choose within reason even if feelings are trodden upon.

They already can do what you say, as long as you translate "within reason" to "as long as it's not a protected class".

 

[Captante]

They already can do what you say, as long as you translate "within reason" to "as long as it's not a protected class".

Close enough to apply legally I agree.

I have a lot more of a problem with "essential" services potentially being denied based on bias then I do stuff like baking a wedding cake for example though.

While ethically the cake-baker SHOULD be compelled to do the right thing based purely on conscience I'm not so sure that should be mandated.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I've completely lost my patience with the Bible-Thumpers. And -- the Trumpers. Thumper-Trumpers.

It just seems a "down-side" to democracy when all these people are all upset about where people dip their wicks, who marries whom, or who gets a tool-box swap-out.

Our national budget is in the trillions. we need a responsible foreign policy. We want to assure fair and free elections. Government is no longer a chance for amateur-hour; we want it managed responsibly. We want clean air, clean water, good roads -- level playing fields.

"Those people" all have "socialism-slippery-slopes" and sex on the brain. I can see that any publisher has a right to refuse business to someone wishing to print lies, hate-speech and so forth. People still have "free speech" even if denied use of someone else's medium. They can get a soap-box and expound their nonsense in a public park.

But this business about refusing to bake wedding cakes or publish wedding web-sites is nonsense. One may entertain "beliefs" about LGBTQ people, but if you aren't performing the marriages or sex-changes, you're just in business to bake cakes and print wedding information. Who the hell cares? God isn't going to strike you down for it.

I'm beginning to hate people who wear their religion on their sleeves. And one more thing, g**d***it! This nonsense that the Bible is the origin of our secular law. Civilizations all over the world without the Bible had laws regarding property, murder . . . theft, etc. All of their arguments are bulls***. God's Law and Secular Law are two different things. If you believe in the nation-state, they are both independently worthy of respectful observance -- the former as you may believe it, the latter because you accept your role as a citizen of a nation-state.

"Render unto Caesar". Then, Caesar murdered millions all around the Mediterranean to consolidate the Empire.

How do we deal with the Flat-Worlders?

 

[cytg111]

Since it didn’t get posted on Monday, but vile argument from Alito

Wonder what the look the other justices gave?

Thats the voice of someone untouchable. Absolute power corrupts.

 

[cytg111]

I've completely lost my patience with the Bible-Thumpers. And -- the Trumpers. Thumper-Trumpers.

It just seems a "down-side" to democracy when all these people are all upset about where people dip their wicks, who marries whom, or who gets a tool-box swap-out.

Our national budget is in the trillions. we need a responsible foreign policy. We want to assure fair and free elections. Government is no longer a chance for amateur-hour; we want it managed responsibly. We want clean air, clean water, good roads -- level playing fields.

"Those people" all have "socialism-slippery-slopes" and sex on the brain. I can see that any publisher has a right to refuse business to someone wishing to print lies, hate-speech and so forth. People still have "free speech" even if denied use of someone else's medium. They can get a soap-box and expound their nonsense in a public park.

But this business about refusing to bake wedding cakes or publish wedding web-sites is nonsense. One may entertain "beliefs" about LGBTQ people, but if you aren't performing the marriages or sex-changes, you're just in business to bake cakes and print wedding information. Who the hell cares? God isn't going to strike you down for it.

I'm beginning to hate people who wear their religion on their sleeves. And one more thing, g**d***it! This nonsense that the Bible is the origin of our secular law. Civilizations all over the world without the Bible had laws regarding property, murder . . . theft, etc. All of their arguments are bulls***. God's Law and Secular Law are two different things. If you believe in the nation-state, they are both independently worthy of respectful observance -- the former as you may believe it, the latter because you accept your role as a citizen of a nation-state.

"Render unto Caesar". Then, Caesar murdered millions all around the Mediterranean to consolidate the Empire.

How do we deal with the Flat-Worlders?

The last couple minutes here

So the setup here is that Fox and kin who is brainwashing these people has not met the wall yet and thus you get to see crazier and crazier shit like Walker, while mind you that the thought process of the actual right wing voter is probably akin to what Maher portrays in that clip. And yes its not reallity its effen psilocybin territory.

 

[Gardener]

I've completely lost my patience with the Bible-Thumpers. And -- the Trumpers. Thumper-Trumpers.

It just seems a "down-side" to democracy when all these people are all upset about where people dip their wicks, who marries whom, or who gets a tool-box swap-out.

Our national budget is in the trillions. we need a responsible foreign policy. We want to assure fair and free elections. Government is no longer a chance for amateur-hour; we want it managed responsibly. We want clean air, clean water, good roads -- level playing fields.

"Those people" all have "socialism-slippery-slopes" and sex on the brain. I can see that any publisher has a right to refuse business to someone wishing to print lies, hate-speech and so forth. People still have "free speech" even if denied use of someone else's medium. They can get a soap-box and expound their nonsense in a public park.

But this business about refusing to bake wedding cakes or publish wedding web-sites is nonsense. One may entertain "beliefs" about LGBTQ people, but if you aren't performing the marriages or sex-changes, you're just in business to bake cakes and print wedding information. Who the hell cares? God isn't going to strike you down for it.

I'm beginning to hate people who wear their religion on their sleeves. And one more thing, g**d***it! This nonsense that the Bible is the origin of our secular law. Civilizations all over the world without the Bible had laws regarding property, murder . . . theft, etc. All of their arguments are bulls***. God's Law and Secular Law are two different things. If you believe in the nation-state, they are both independently worthy of respectful observance -- the former as you may believe it, the latter because you accept your role as a citizen of a nation-state.

"Render unto Caesar". Then, Caesar murdered millions all around the Mediterranean to consolidate the Empire.

How do we deal with the Flat-Worlders?

Strip their tax free status...requiring the church to pay local property taxes would be a good start.

 

[Brainonska511]

Close enough to apply legally I agree.

I have a lot more of a problem with "essential" services potentially being denied based on bias then I do stuff like baking a wedding cake for example though.

While ethically the cake-baker SHOULD be compelled to do the right thing based purely on conscience I'm not so sure that should be mandated.

Is a restaurant an essential service? Trying to draw an arbitrary line on public accommodation laws is asking for a radical court to drive a clown car through.

You'll inevitably end up with situations where a victim of discrimination is living in a smaller town that might only support one or two flower shops that both want to discriminate. What happens then? What happens when the discrimination moves beyond "I won't do your wedding" to "I won't bury your gay friend in this cemetery" or "you can't eat in this restaurant together as gay couple"?

Also, the current wedding website case is total BS. A web designer who didn't even make wedding websites and hadn't been sued somehow had gotten their hypothetical case all the way to the supreme court. Standing be damned. (Though, they'll have no problem throwing other people they don't like under the bus of standing)

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Strip their tax free status...requiring the church to pay local property taxes would be a good start.

Thanks for reminding me -- I was thinking to send a letter to the WH, my Senators and Congressman suggesting just that.

They cross the line when they begin telling their flocks how to vote, and I've seen enough evidence of that.

 

[brycejones]

Thanks for reminding me -- I was thinking to send a letter to the WH, my Senators and Congressman suggesting just that.

They cross the line when they begin telling their flocks how to vote, and I've seen enough evidence of that.

They don't really tell their flocks how to vote just educate them a bit.

(R) candidate will personally raise every baby ever born

(D) candidate wants to make it legal for child sacrifice parties at satanic festivals (er pride events)

So they aren't telling you who to vote for. It's just voter education.

 

[Captante]

(D) candidate wants to make it legal for child sacrifice parties at satanic festivals (er pride events)

To be fair they DO make a flavorful pizza-topping when seared on the grill!

*(recipe discovered on Hunters laptop obviously!)

 

[Captante]

Trumper-Thumpers

Truly epic.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

They don't really tell their flocks how to vote just educate them a bit.

(R) candidate will personally raise every baby ever born

(D) candidate wants to make it legal for child sacrifice parties at satanic festivals (er pride events)

So they aren't telling you who to vote for. It's just voter education.

I've seen the preachers on the TV explicitly promoting the GOP. Albeit, I have a bias against what I regard as nonsense on the Right. Then, there's the story about Archbishop Romero, and how he subsequently met his Maker. You'd want a religious leader to speak out against serious wrongdoing.

But I stand by my original post here. And when Flat-Worlders want to blow up your Post Office and attack the power-grid, well . . . as I asked, what do you do about the Flat-Worlders?

I had four people who were close to me die this year -- all part of my death demographic "over 70". I want to enjoy my sunset years -- what's left of them. The Trumper-Thumpers are raising my blood pressure and ruining my day -- been doing it for six years or so.

 

[Moonbeam]

Thanks for reminding me -- I was thinking to send a letter to the WH, my Senators and Congressman suggesting just that.

They cross the line when they begin telling their flocks how to vote, and I've seen enough evidence of that.

The toughest sacred cows to shake are those most regarded as involving the sacred, namely moral beliefs tied to religion. It seems pretty clear to me that even Supreme Court justices can't fully shake them. My guess, then, is that because we create what we fear, contempt for inflexibility of belief attendant to absolutism will multiply among those targeted or suffering from the capitulation of morality in law extended to members outside of the preferred religion. The log jam created by pressure behind the refusal to budge, the submission of the religious to the secular, will grow and grow and eventually spill over in violence. If you do not live by the principle of doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, you will eventually succeed in having done to you what you have done to them.

 

[iRONic]

A multi million dollar advertising campaign by these hypocrites:

"He Gets Us" will reach people via TV, radio, digital ads, billboards and experiential platforms. With a $100 million budget, it's expected to start conversations among a wide array of people.

"Our focus is getting Jesus into the places where people are consuming a lot of media right now," said Jason Vanderground, president of the marketing firm Haven, and one of the creators of the campaign.

 

[Captante]

A multi million dollar advertising campaign by these hypocrites:

"He Gets Us" will reach people via TV, radio, digital ads, billboards and experiential platforms. With a $100 million budget, it's expected to start conversations among a wide array of people.
"Our focus is getting Jesus into the places where people are consuming a lot of media right now," said Jason Vanderground, president of the marketing firm Haven, and one of the creators of the campaign.

I happened to be watching an NFL stream from somewhere in the midwest and ran into one of these ads already.... fortunately I was quick on the mute button!