Chipsets that support x4 DRAM

tcsenter

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I have sent inquiries to two mainboard companies, a memory module company, and VIA Technologies regarding compatability of chipsets with x4 DRAM. In addition, I created a topic about this on three different forums, including this one, at least six months ago. I never have received any solid answers, VIA never even bothered to reply (typical).

Recently, I had the opportunity to test several motherboards using 256MB PC2700 Modules built with 32Mx4 DRAM chips. The results were:

Verified Compatible

Chaintech SKT600 (VIA KT600)
Chaintech MPM800-3 (VIA PM800)
ECS KT600-A (VIA KT600)
ECS PM800-M2 (VIA PM800)
ECS PT800CE-A (VIA PT800)
Jetway/MachSpeed P4MDPT (VIA P4M266A)
Jetway/MachSpeed V2MDMP (VIA KM266PRO)
PC Chips M811 v3.1 a.k.a. Syntax SV266AD (VIA KT266A)


Not Compatible

BIOSTAR M7VIG (VIA KM266)
MSI KM2M-Combo L (VIA KM266)

That's all I have for now. Compatible is defined as the BIOS reports the full capacity and the memory passed two loops of Memtest86. Not compatible is defined as the BIOS reports only half the capacity or the system was NO POST (POST error). All motherboards used the latest BIOS available at the time of testing.

I do not know the status of KT400/A, but based on the fact that KM400 (a.k.a. KM266PRO) supports x4 DRAM, there is more than a good chance that KT400/A does also. Interestingly, the much older VIA P4M266A does support x4 DRAM. I had read that all VIA P4 chipsets support x4 DRAM and this seems to be the case.

Intel and NVIDIA reportedly have no compatible chipsets, while SIS is supposed to have a few chipsets that can use x4 DRAM, though I don't know which ones. I will be acquiring an ATI R9100 IGP mainboard, so I will test that when I can. I have no idea about ALI.

However, the BIOS still requires support for x4 DRAM technology and just because it is supported in the hardware (chipset) does not mean the mainboard vendor has included the proper BIOS support. YMMV.

Update: Added KT266A
 

ohnnyj

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I'm pretty sure most modern chipsets support 4 dimms, I am personally running four sticks of Corsair 3200XL in an A8N-SLI Deluxe w/the nVidia nForce4 chipset.
 

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Originally posted by: ohnnyj
I'm pretty sure most modern chipsets support 4 dimms, I am personally running four sticks of Corsair 3200XL in an A8N-SLI Deluxe w/the nVidia nForce4 chipset.
x4, x8, or x16 DRAM refers to the configuration (bit width) of a DRAM component, sometimes referred to as the DRAM Technology. e.g.

32Mx4 = 128Mbit
64Mx4 = 256Mbit
128Mx4 = 512Mbit

16Mx8 = 128Mbit
32Mx8 = 256Mbit
64Mx8 = 512Mbit

16Mx16 = 256Mbit
32Mx16 = 512Mbit
64Mx16 = 1024Mbit

Nothing to do with the # of modules.
 

Peter

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x4 RAM chips are supposed to be used on "registered" DIMMs normally. Intel's chipsets don't support them in Unbuffered mode, many others do. You get the best chance with chipsets that do support "registered" and "unbuffered"; personally, I've found that SiS and VIA chipsets usually do run on unbuffered x4 technology DIMMs.

I'm positive I've used x4 technology DIMMs on VIA KM400, and quite a few earlier VIA chipsets. Note that the particular board's BIOS must also allow that DIMM type - so even if the chipset could do it, any particular board might just as well not.
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: Peter
"KM266pro" is just a rebadge of KM400, btw.
I figured as much, given that I mistakenly tried to install the ProSavage DDR driver on more than one KM266Pro board but setup reported no compatible hardware. Then figured out I needed the UniChrome driver. doh!

What is the particular advantage of x4 DRAM, if any? Why do they even market unbuffered modules built with this stuff? To get rid of surplus?

Hey! I forgot that I have a Mach Speed (Jetway) V2MDMP KM266Pro board around here. Be back later...
 

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Originally posted by: ohnnyj
I'm pretty sure most modern chipsets support 4 dimms, I am personally running four sticks of Corsair 3200XL in an A8N-SLI Deluxe w/the nVidia nForce4 chipset.
x4, x8, or x16 DRAM refers to the configuration (bit width) of a DRAM component, sometimes referred to as the DRAM Technology. e.g.

32Mx4 = 128Mbit
64Mx4 = 256Mbit
128Mx4 = 512Mbit

16Mx8 = 128Mbit
32Mx8 = 256Mbit
64Mx8 = 512Mbit

16Mx16 = 256Mbit
32Mx16 = 512Mbit
64Mx16 = 1024Mbit

Nothing to do with the # of modules.

Sorry, had no idea that was what you were referring to. I guess I need to read a little better :). Anyways, if you don't mind me asking what are the differences in the above (like 128x4 = 512Mbit and 64Mx8 = 512Mbit)? Does this have to do with the number and size of the small chips that are on each DIMM? Does this have to do w/double/single sided DIMMs?

Forgive my ignorance, just wishing to learn something new.
 

Peter

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Originally posted by: Peter
"KM266pro" is just a rebadge of KM400, btw.
I figured as much, given that I mistakenly tried to install the ProSavage DDR driver on more than one KM266Pro board but setup reported no compatible hardware. Then figured out I needed the UniChrome driver. doh!

What is the particular advantage of x4 DRAM, if any? Why do they even market unbuffered modules built with this stuff? To get rid of surplus?

Hey! I forgot that I have a Mach Speed (Jetway) V2MDMP KM266Pro board around here. Be back later...

The benefit of x4 RAM chips is that the better breed of ECC-capable chipsets can compensate the dropout of an entire RAM chip without failing the machine. IBM's "Chipkill" ECC algorithm is one of those. Also, on a registered DIMM, you can fit 32 (36 w/ ECC) of them to make a really big DIMM that still has no more than the two ranks ("sides") any DIMM may have.

The chips end up on unbuffered DIMMs mostly on the cheap end, yes, possibly to get rid of surplus.
 

tcsenter

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Hey! I forgot that I have a Mach Speed (Jetway) V2MDMP KM266Pro board around here. Be back later...
KM266Pro supports x4 DRAM, just finished testing the V2MDMP. I removed the MSI KM3M-V from the list because now I'm not certain whether I tested these modules with the MSI board. I thought I did, but its been more than six months since I gave that board to my brother and I'm not sure after testing the Mach Speed board. Anyhoo, I am certain about the Biostar M7VIG and MSI KM2M Combo-L. Both KM266 boards recognized only half the module capacity.
 

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Update: Added PC Chips M811 v3.1 a.k.a. Syntax SV266AD (VIA KT266A)

Great little board, BTW. Latest BIOS (M811811) from PC Chips adds support for Sempron processors. Though Sempron will only run @ 266MHz FSB on this board, it is reported correctly by the system as Sempron. The BIOS actually has FSB adjustment up to 165MHz when the board is jumpered for 133MHz, but no voltage adjustment.

I had a Sempron 2500+ and 512MB PC2700 x 2 running @ 155MHz FSB, completed multiple passes of Memtest86 with no drives or PCI devices attached. I wouldn't try to run hard drives or PCI devices with this high PCI bus frequency.

I was surprised to see it supported x4 DRAM. I thought for sure these older chipsets wouldn't.