Chinese workers live where they work and work 15 hour shifts.

Narmer

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This is awful. But it's a Chinese problem.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/14/national-labor-committee-report-on-chinese-ce-factories-uncovers/

Yesterday, the National Labor Committee produced a report on the working conditions at the KYE Factory in Dongguan City, Guangdong, China. KYE operates (like many factories in China) a live-work facility and generated sales of $400 million in 2008. KYE manufactures outsourced products for HP, Best Buy, Samsung, Foxconn, Acer, Logitech, and ASUS. Their largest customer, however, is reportedly Microsoft. The report details some of what we've come to expect in stories of labor abuses -- near children, most of them women, working for 16 or 17 hours a day, living in nearly deplorable conditions, for less than a dollar an hour -- all so that the world's ever-growing need for / addiction to consumer electronics can be fed. Now, the gadget industry isn't the only offender by a stretch -- but it's quickly becoming one of the largest (in addition to producing a truly horrific amount of toxic garbage). After the break are some choice facts from the report that our readers might be interested in ingesting, so read on.

•KYE recruits hundreds-even up to 1,000-"work study students" 16 and 17 years of age, who work 15-hour shifts, six and seven days a week. In 2007 and 2008, dozens of the work study students were reported to be just 14 and 15 years old. A typical shift is from 7:45 a.m. to 10:55 p.m.
•Along with the work study students-most of whom stay at the factory three months, though some remain six months or longer-KYE prefers to hire women 18 to 25 years of age, since they are easier to discipline and control.
•Workers are paid 65 cents an hour, which falls to a take-home wage of 52 cents after deductions for factory food.
•Workers are prohibited from talking, listening to music or using the bathroom during working hours. As punishment, workers who make mistakes are made to clean the bathrooms.
•Fourteen workers share each primitive dorm room, sleeping on narrow double-level bunk beds. To "shower," workers fetch hot water in a small plastic bucket to take a sponge bath. Workers describe factory food as awful.
•Workers can only leave the "compound" during regulated hours.
One worker is quoted as saying they are "like prisoners." The report also says that the disgruntled workers usually blame the factory itself, and don't make the connection between the companies -- whose products they are manufacturing -- and their horrible work conditions. The report says that these young people are clearly unaware of the wealth of the companies, and think only of their direct employers -- who fail to heed even the basic requirements laid out to them by companies like Microsoft.

Microsoft released a statement today saying that it is "committed to the fair treatment and safety of workers" employed by its vendors, and that its begun an investigation into the allegations of the report. It couldn't be clearer, however, from the ever-mounting pile of evidence, that nearly every major company selling us our gadgetry is at least complicit -- if not completely at fault in this situation. Microsoft (and all the other companies accused) outsource production in large part because of the cheapness of the labor provided by lax labor laws in countries like China -- which necessarily leads to conditions such as these.

As Engadget is primarily a source for news and information on consumer electronics, we feel it's our responsibility to help draw attention to this report -- this is our industry, and abuses like the ones detailed above should be dragged into the harsh light of day. We're urging CE-makers to make serious inquiries about the practices in their factories, and start making real changes that will prevent this kind of thing from growing as this industry moves forward. Engadget as a site isn't in the habit of taking sides or making political statements, but when something is so obviously an affront to humanity, it's easy to speak up about it. We urge you to do the same, especially to the companies you're buying your devices from.
 

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So you think it's better to starve than work 15 hours a day and get paid?
 
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i'm sure he believes that these people deserve better rights at work and better pay.
people should be able to use the bathroom during working hours and at least be able to work in a sanitary workplace
 

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So you think it's better to starve than work 15 hours a day and get paid?

Is that the alternative a minor faces in China? How about they go to school and these companies not hire and abuse them?
 

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Why does this article try and blame the companies this factory makes goods for?
 
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I like 15+ hour days. Although with those kind of hours and traveling I'd just wish I could crawl up in a sleeping bag and sleep at work. Or work would post me up in a hotel.
 

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That's brutal, but I pretty much knew that's what went on. I think we need to boycott cheap chinese labour. It would be good for us, and good for them.

Kind of makes you wonder why they even bother working though. That's not enough money to pay for gas to get there, let alone live. They are basically slaves.
 

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Is that the alternative a minor faces in China? How about they go to school and these companies not hire and abuse them?

For people in the factories school probably isn't a real option, it's factory work, migratory work, or farming. :(
Even if they get a high school level of education that would still be the case unless they were in the top few percent of their class. If they could afford it though, they to go to university outside of china where getting in would be much easier, but again if they are working in a factory that is not the case.
 

Narmer

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For people in the factories school probably isn't a real option, it's factory work, migratory work, or farming. :(
Even if they get a high school level of education that would still be the case unless they were in the top few percent of their class. If they could afford it though, they to go to university outside of china where getting in would be much easier, but again if they are working in a factory that is not the case.

True, but it isn't really 'work-study' as they euphemistically call it. It is all work. The central government, which is very competent, may frown upon this but they may not be aware of all these cases. Usually, these issues are done in collusion with provincial/local governments. In other words, this is illegal exploitation but the government turns the other cheek.
 

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I love hearing these stories and with China's huge growth...how long can they sustain huge growth + slave labor? Can't have it both ways
 

Red Squirrel

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I love hearing these stories and with China's huge growth...how long can they sustain huge growth + slave labor? Can't have it both ways

I wonder if one day the citizens will rebel against their government. I'm surprised this has not already happened. Then again, it would probably be them that lose.
 

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It's obvious that there is a negative bias against China. It makes no sense why the government would form a union just to be manipulated by companies. That if anything is more capitalistic that the sort of transformations in policies in the US where everyone demands a slice of the pie. I think the best way to handle this is just to let capitalism run its course. If the communists are right, the people will revolt and take down the companies (government philosophy yo?). If they are wrong and capitalists prevail, why are we complaining when we ratchet the country for its communism everyday? It's a major catch 22, and unfortunately no matter who wins, the individual loses.
 

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So you think it's better to starve than work 15 hours a day and get paid?

Seriously. And it's not like the US went through exactly the same phase a hundred or so years ago. Countries can't magically poof from "no infrastructure and an untrained or agrarian labor force" straight to "industrialized and high-paying jobs for everyone." It's unpleasant, but so is growing up and we all have to go through it at some point.
 

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Seriously. And it's not like the US went through exactly the same phase a hundred or so years ago. Countries can't magically poof from "no infrastructure and an untrained or agrarian labor force" straight to "industrialized and high-paying jobs for everyone." It's unpleasant, but so is growing up and we all have to go through it at some point.

That's a wrong analogy. They do not have to follow us in the exact same manner. The 100 year difference should have taught them what and what not to do.
 

Narmer

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You have to bootstrap up somehow. How do you propose they do it?

They have a under a quarter of the world's population. I think they can easily find comparative advantages if they wanted. However, the government would have to loosen its control and let provincial states better utilize their own resources. The key to this would be information, which the government wants to obsessively control. Anyway, the minimum wage in China is around $0.85/hour. China is a large country. Given their excellent transportation and communications infrastructure, I don't think there are other countries that can compete when you look at the whole manufacturing picture.

At the end of the day, these practices are abuse, pure and simple. The sad thing is, unlike other developing nations, there is no avenue for venting outside of illegal protests.
 

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So you think it's better to starve than work 15 hours a day and get paid?
This. I know it sounds heartless, but really, what are their alternatives? I'm sure if they could find better employment, they wouldn't be working at a factory like this...
 

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That's brutal, but I pretty much knew that's what went on. I think we need to boycott cheap chinese labour. It would be good for us, and good for them.

Kind of makes you wonder why they even bother working though. That's not enough money to pay for gas to get there, let alone live. They are basically slaves.

Boycott and create expensive products for Americans. That makes sense.
 

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Boycott and create expensive products for Americans. That makes sense.

I rather pay more knowing my product comes locally. As in, North America... even though I'm Canadian I rather buy a US made product,then China, of course if it's made in Canada then even better.

Heck, 10 years ago, a motherboard for example was around 500 bucks. Now you can get one for 100-200 bucks. We are spoiled by being able to buy electronics so cheap. This is because of slavery. I would rather pay more knowing I am not supporting slavery, but that I am supporting a local economy. I think over time it would get cheaper regardless due to mass production and local competition.