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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by OBLAMA2009, Dec 13, 2012.
Don't resist arrest and you won't get tazed!
well, maybe they shouldnt be arresting people for trying to buy iphones in the first place. whats next, arresting people for getting in the samples lines twice at costco?
from one of the comments: "If she had been white she probably could have bought as many phones as she wanted. If she had been black the police would have probably shot and killed her." she is the asian trayvon martin
Why is it a big deal that she is sending them overseas? She paid for them, who cares? Is it illegal to do? If not, they should have let her purchase a phone. She also could have just found another Apple store to buy from.
if it wasnt illegal, she won't be doing it.. depending on where you are, you can't import iphones into china. there was a huge operation where people smuggle from HK into China, and yes HK is part of china but you can't sell iphone in china at one point, only in HK
Here are your illegal china imports of iphone/ipad
So yeah, she should be tazed here and put to death in communist china
whoa, when did google maps come back to iOS? And it's a free app?
Didn't know you guys were into enforcing foreign laws.
Don't want to get too involved here. But I have a question.
If iphones are made in China and then sent here. Is export the appropriate term for sending them back to where they were made?
I know that export is a term that could be used but is there a better or more descriptive term?
Holy shit! What I have to ask is... why the hell do people keep taking videos in portrait mode? STOP IT!
Guys I'm sure the store asked her to leave. Apple is the seller they are free not to sell to anyone they choose or add any conditions they choose. Has anyone sold a car, would you accept a check from an unknown person? If so you added a term to that sale. I would assume she then threw a fit and the on site cop got involved and it escalated from there. Nobody was enforcing Chinese law or some other grand conspiracy.
I don't see the problem.
You have a knack for creating terrible, misleading titles.
The store surely told her to leave, regardless of what interaction took place. If she didn't leave the premises as told whatever happens after that is on her.
It doesn't take long for the apologists to appear.
Someone not 'obeying' a cop isn't instant justification for unwarranted force.
Cops should have maced her, much more humane.
This was posted there. seems she was resisting arrest and they did it to subdue her.
That video was misleading. My wife works in that mall, not far from the Apple store. That lady had been to the Apple store multiple times to buy iPhones without contracts. She drives up from Newton MA to go to NH stores to save on the sales tax. After the last time, she had been banned because they know she is buying them and shipping them overseas. When she returned this time, they told her she couldn't buy anymore. She was pissed and started filming people buying phones. They asked her to leave and she was screaming and creating a scene. They called the cops (who were nearby and were there quickly) to get her to leave. The cops tried to get here to leave and she started flipping out. They tried to arrest her but she was flailing her arms and fighting them putting the cuffs on, so they tased her. The video only shows the end of the whole deal, but she was flipping out and screaming so loudly that people came by to watch. I know people are going to be all over the cops for this, but the video only tells the end of the story.
It is no secret people buy iPhones and ship them overseas. There is nothing illegal about it, but you can see it all the time. There is a guy at the mall that sits on a bench outside the store and pays kids to buys iPhones, giving them a giftcard to make the purchase. When the kids come out with his phone, he gives them $50 cash. The store knows it, which is why they put in the purchase limit. I don't care one way or the other about it, but it provides some background that explains this story in greater detail.
Posted by gingerpacct (1 comment )
December 12, 2012 7:22 PM (PST)
We own and operate a retail business. If we tell you to leave and you don't we call security (who are off duty police). Failing to remove yourself from (any) private property after being told to leave carries consequences.
I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.
Which part of what I said contradicts what you have just said.
Based on the available info she would not leave the premises and resisted arrest. The police will subdue anyone who resists arrest in such a situation via non-lethal means, that is not unwarranted force.
Unless somebody has some more context to add to what happened I would say the police acted appropriately.
Refusing to leave a store gets you criminally trespassed. Disobeying a lawful order by a police officer to leave the store allows them to force-ably remove and arrest you. Resisting their soft show of force(grabbing you to detain and cuff you) will almost always result in a tasering, batoning, hard hand strikes or other non lethal force until you are detained and able to be removed without resistance.
Nothing you have said here agrees or disagrees with what I said.
You've just parroted something that you've heard elsewhere.
I parroted the law. You are parroting non-sense.
They lawfully used force to arrest and remove someone being trespassed. Cops didn't do anything wrong.
A private establishment tells you to leave and you don't, they can trespass you for a year or more depending on jurisdiction. If you don't voluntarily leave cops will come and ask you to leave. If you don't leave, cops can arrest and remove you. Resisting arrest will always result in hard force being used.
So your entire opinion on these things rests with however the creaky laws have been interpreted?
Are you that much of a nodding donkey that you can't form your own opinion?