Chinese train sets speed record

[sportage]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/03/china.high.speed.train/index.html?hpt=T2

(CNN) -- A Chinese high-speed train broke a world record Friday for fastest unmodified commercial train, reaching speeds of up to 481.1 kph (298.9 mph), state media reported.


Well at least we won't have to worry about this happening over here... Sadly.

 

[werepossum]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/03/china.high.speed.train/index.html?hpt=T2

(CNN) -- A Chinese high-speed train broke a world record Friday for fastest unmodified commercial train, reaching speeds of up to 481.1 kph (298.9 mph), state media reported.


Well at least we won't have to worry about this happening over here... Sadly.

We certainly NEED a 300 mph train - you know, to carry people from one area with no jobs to a different area with no jobs . . .

 

[sportage]

Might put some people back to work if we had REAL jobs making a better America instead of pussy jobs profiting of the very sick AND just pushing money around.
Greed and evil hand in hand. Todays American economy.

High speed rail would open up jobs in every market, make our economy stronger and benefit the middle class. And who knows.. just might lead to other ideas on improving our way of life via jobs, right here at home.

But silly me.... I must be dreaming.

 

[Infohawk]

Isn't the main story here that the Chinese basically stole foreign IP? Those Chinese sure are great pirates...

I'm a fan of high speed rail for certain parts of the country but I'm not going to feel bad about the Chinese since the main reason they can build it is again the stolen IP and ridiculously cheap labor from years of being backwards.

 

[Zebo]

American's dont do trains, different culture. And we won't be doing planes either if TSA keeps it up.

 

[LegendKiller]

So what?

We don't have a billion people to move around. These things are prestige products, not realistic ones.

That's not even getting to the fact that it's probably not even needed, at all.

 

[Zebo]

Isn't the main story here that the Chinese basically stole foreign IP? Those Chinese sure are great pirates...

I'm a fan of high speed rail for certain parts of the country but I'm not going to feel bad about the Chinese since the main reason they can build it is again the stolen IP and ridiculously cheap labor from years of being backwards.

This is why I avoid their shit completely. I used to be a computer enthusiast until Taiwan MBs started being made in China. It's real hard not to buy Chinese so I buy a lot of German stuff which we don't make. Bosch/Meile etc. Even stuff we still make you got to be careful! You know you can go on ebay and see counterfeit Calloway golf clubs, Leopold scopes, everything. They got whole factories set up over there just copying and it's state sanctioned theft.

 

[Zebo]

Might put some people back to work if we had REAL jobs making a better America instead of pussy jobs profiting of the very sick AND just pushing money around.
Greed and evil hand in hand. Todays American economy.

High speed rail would open up jobs in every market, make our economy stronger and benefit the middle class. And who knows.. just might lead to other ideas on improving our way of life via jobs, right here at home.

But silly me.... I must be dreaming.

We need to build an electric car infrastructure. That would put us at zero % unemployment (including those ever problematic mexicans everyone is so down on). Not only that it would take money Away from fundi Saudis spreading their brand of Islam across the world in Madrasses and Mosques and rid of of having to waste out resources there. Fuck em. We discovered and built their accident of geology and can take it away! As an added bonus no more smog!

1. Need a standard battery which is quick swapped with another at any service station. This would make million of jobs building the batteries and retrofitting stations.

2. 100-150 nuke plants to charge said batteries. Millions more jobs.

3. All new cars and lt trucks which take these batteries in the ass end. Millions of jobs.

 

[soccerballtux]

This is why I avoid their shit completely. I used to be a computer enthusiast until Taiwan MBs started being made in China. It's real hard not to buy Chinese so I buy a lot of German stuff which we don't make. Bosch/Meile etc. Even stuff we still make you got to be careful! You know you can go on ebay and see counterfeit Calloway golf clubs, Leopold scopes, everything. They got whole factories set up over there just copying and it's state sanctioned theft.

Generally the legit namebrands have to pay the police to raid the non-legit guys.
When my friend was there it was NorthFace. Nobody wanted to sell you NorthFace knockoff gear. Had to ask like 6 times and then the guy looked around checking to make sure there weren't any cops, and then began pulling out the NF.

 

[soccerballtux]

We need to build an electric car infrastructure. That would put us at zero % unemployment (including those ever problematic mexicans everyone is so down on). Not only that it would take money Away from fundi Saudis spreading their brand of Islam across the world in Madrasses and Mosques and rid of of having to waste out resources there. Fuck em. We discovered and built their accident of geology and can take it away! As an added bonus no more smog!

1. Need a standard battery which is quick swapped with another at any service station. This would make million of jobs building the batteries and retrofitting stations.

2. 100-150 nuke plants to charge said batteries. Millions more jobs.

3. All new cars and lt trucks which take these batteries in the ass end. Millions of jobs.

We've become too efficient, and we'll never be able to have full employment again until we stop running corporations for profit and instead run them for the good of the worker. You sell as much product as you need to provide for your employees, and no more. This leaves demand in the market, demand which enables someone else to go start their small business doing the same product as you. If we pass good small-business laws then the ultra-efficient corporations will be run and taxed out of business. Note that none of this can happen with debt-based currency. Debt-based currency is why we HAVE to run the business for profit, so that we can pay off the interest (exponential growth).

I don't know how this works on the scale of car manufacturers (I definitely think we should be keeping Toyota and Honda around, no small-business startup can provide that level of value to the market), but for other needs, we have to move to this model. IE true COMMUNE-ism. Won't work as long as we're driven by greed, gotta replace that desire with something more soul-satisfying. Am I making any sense?

 

[theeedude]

We'd rather let our people sit unemployed and wait for some trickle down miracle to happen, while the Chinese are building out infrastructure full speed.

 

[soccerballtux]

We'd rather let our people sit unemployed and wait for some trickle down miracle to happen, while the Chinese are building out infrastructure full speed.

building infrastructure is the answer eh? You think China's going to replace us in 10 years eh?

 

[theeedude]

building infrastructure is the answer eh? You think China's going to replace us in 10 years eh?

They are moving ahead at 300mph, while we are trying to extend economic policies that failed us last decade.

 

[theevilsharpie]

Well at least we won't have to worry about this happening over here... Sadly.

China's fastest train can go about 300mph on a route that requires hundreds of miles of track and electrical wiring that needs to be maintained in top-top shape to achieve those speeds.

Meanwhile, the American Boeing 737, an airliner that's over 40 years old, cruises at 500mph and just needs two runways to get from point A to point B.

You're right, we suck

 

[marincounty]

The only reason the Chinese have trains that go 300 mph is because they can't drive.

 

[Zebo]

We've become too efficient, and we'll never be able to have full employment again until we stop running corporations for profit and instead run them for the good of the worker. You sell as much product as you need to provide for your employees, and no more. This leaves demand in the market, demand which enables someone else to go start their small business doing the same product as you. If we pass good small-business laws then the ultra-efficient corporations will be run and taxed out of business. Note that none of this can happen with debt-based currency. Debt-based currency is why we HAVE to run the business for profit, so that we can pay off the interest (exponential growth).

I don't know how this works on the scale of car manufacturers (I definitely think we should be keeping Toyota and Honda around, no small-business startup can provide that level of value to the market), but for other needs, we have to move to this model. IE true COMMUNE-ism. Won't work as long as we're driven by greed, gotta replace that desire with something more soul-satisfying. Am I making any sense?

Efficient argument is BS with a trade deficit and outsourcing lingering, stuff needs to be built, but by American instead, not to mention people always want more. There is infinite demand. Lets start with a SL500 in every driveway. See what I mean? Nothing wrong with capitalism it's what makes people strive and accelerate humanity - not doing it in house (trade def) and race to bottom (outsourcing) is the problem. Both are caused by politics not the FED. Maybe usurious interest rates to small business and people is an issue though. Tax structure is a problem as well.

 

[werepossum]

China's fastest train can go about 300mph on a route that requires hundreds of miles of track and electrical wiring that needs to be maintained in top-top shape to achieve those speeds.

Meanwhile, the American Boeing 737, an airliner that's over 40 years old, cruises at 500mph and just needs two runways to get from point A to point B.

You're right, we suck

LOL Yeah, but the train operator can't decide to fly it the hell out of China to freedom!

 

[Zebo]

The only reason the Chinese have trains that go 300 mph is because they can't drive.

Heh. Better than bikes too. 500 miles is a bitch on a bike.

 

[Lemon law]

Oh how stupid can a thread get, the cheapest way to large scale transport people and material is by water, slow as a shit and useless on land.

The second best is by rail, almost as efficient by ton mile, and better yet useful on land.
But still fairly slow.

Lagging far far behind in terms of ton mile costs are far more convenient trucks, cars, and airplanes.

And China and not the USA are trying to benefit by the long term savings implicit in faster but not more expensive idea if High speed rail and have the investment bucks to try the idea.

But we in the USA should ask the larger question, maybe its wiser for the USA to let China invest big bucks into proving the technology first, because, if successful, we can adopt high speed rail too, without wasting the the proof of concept multiple mistakes trial error development costs of a new technology.

After all, we in the USA do not have to worry about China laying high speed rail over the
entire Pacific Ocean to rapidly overwhelm the USA with the entire yellow horde Chinese army new type blitzkrieg coming at us at 300 MPH.

 

[soccerballtux]

They are moving ahead at 300mph, while we are trying to extend economic policies that failed us last decade.

read some mpettis.com you'll change your mind. He's not the typical capitalist "china is our friend we don't need to worry we should trade with them!" that you may be expecting.

*I mean yes, we are pursuing failed economic policies, but it's not like China's being at all balanced in their approach, either. Grass is not greener, don't worry.

 

[theevilsharpie]

Oh how stupid can a thread get, the cheapest way to large scale transport people and material is by water, slow as a shit and useless on land.

The second best is by rail, almost as efficient by ton mile, and better yet useful on land.
But still fairly slow.

Lagging far far behind in terms of ton mile costs are far more convenient trucks, cars, and airplanes.

[citation needed]

 

[soccerballtux]

Efficient argument is BS with a trade deficit and outsourcing lingering, stuff needs to be built, but by American instead, not to mention people always want more. There is infinite demand. Lets start with a SL500 in every driveway. See what I mean? Nothing wrong with capitalism it's what makes people strive and accelerate humanity - not doing it in house (trade def) and race to bottom (outsourcing) is the problem. Both are caused by politics not the FED. Maybe usurious interest rates to small business and people is an issue though. Tax structure is a problem as well.

not in-house and trade deficit / outsourcing were caused by greed.

 

[MotF Bane]

The only reason the Chinese have trains that go 300 mph is because they can't drive.

Winner!

 

[MotF Bane]

Might put some people back to work if we had REAL jobs making a better America instead of pussy jobs profiting of the very sick AND just pushing money around.
Greed and evil hand in hand. Todays American economy.

High speed rail would open up jobs in every market, make our economy stronger and benefit the middle class. And who knows.. just might lead to other ideas on improving our way of life via jobs, right here at home.

But silly me.... I must be dreaming.

Put who back to work doing what? Construction workers building the rail? With more money hot off the presses? To then be used by the unemployed to go... where? To jobs they do not have? So that people can drive their cars that they already own to a large parking lot to leave them all day, while they take the train into the city, then use subways or buses, which are not prepared to handle such a massive influx of users, to get to their workplaces... instead of using those cars that they already have to drive in with freedom to choose their own route, make any stops they wish, and relative privacy?

Your next paragraph is just the usual buzzwords crap. You could've gotten that from any political speech about any domestic issue in the last ten years. Just change "high speed rail" to another topic, and it'll fit just fine into whatever someone else wants to say.

 

[DesiPower]

Russia in its hay day did achieved a lot of such technological feats, communists can do it, govt has ultimate power, can push the limits without worrying about the cost or safety.