Chinese Toddler Ran over and left, nobody helps.

[Infohawk]

using your logic, all americans are uncivilized, and the world "would be a better place with a weak america", right? inc dodge.

Did you forget that you already responded to my post or are you just desperate for a response?

 

[fskimospy]

Seriously guys? This happens all over the world, probably every day. It's just a function of the bystander effect. It's not just NYC, it's not just China, it's anywhere that has concentrated population.

Seeing someone in distress like that is a situation that almost none of us are used to being in. When we are in unfamiliar situations we look to others to see what they are doing. If nobody else is helping, our brains tell us we don't need to help either. That's why someone who needs help is way better off with one person nearby than 100.

Seriously, as someone else said, get off your high horses. This sort of thing could (and very likely has) occurred in the closest city to you.

 

[al981]

Did you forget that you already responded to my post or are you just desperate for a response?

you dodged the first response. i responded again with several more links with americans running over pedestrians and fleeing the scene / bystanders refusing to do anything.

feel free to acknowledge americans are uncivilized, or was your logic just shitty?

 

[Infohawk]

you dodged the first response. i responded again with several more links with americans running over pedestrians and fleeing the scene / bystanders refusing to do anything.

feel free to acknowlege americans are all uncivilized, or was your logic just shitty?

Dodging would mean I addressed your post but somehow dodged the main argument or question. I simply ignored your post because it made too many assumptions.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

...Coming soon to a third world United States near you.

When you have a gigantic population of 1.34 billion people, one individual life doesn't mean much, especially when most of those people are dirt poor.

This story should serve as a warning to Americans to be concerned about the issue of population explosion in the United States. Many people may not be aware of it, but at 311 million we have the world's third highest population, and it could grow to 450 or 500 million by 2050.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5871651411393887069#

 

[al981]

Dodging would mean I addressed your post but somehow dodged the main argument or question. I simply ignored your post because it made too many assumptions.

more accurately, you dodged and chose not to respond because i pointed out your hypocrisy. no further assumptions were made, as i only used your quotes. dodge more, hypocrite.

 

[Infohawk]

more accurately, you dodged and chose not to respond because i pointed out your hypocrisy. no further assumptions were made, as i only used your quotes. dodge more, hypocrite.

There's no hypocrisy. I didn't say all Chinese are uncivilized or that all Americans are civilized. You assumed that because you have poor reading comprehension skills or are really emotional about all this. This is why I wanted to ignore you. It's been a waste of my time.

 

[woolfe9999]

I'm not generalizing from a single incident. But frankly I'm not really interested in another double-standard discussion with you where you say something like "I wouldn't be surprised if it's more of a rule. Life is cheap in the developing world." but then jump down my throat for not posting a dozen disclaimers that not all Chinese people are evil or whatever you wanted.

No I wasn't trying to jump down your throat, nor do I see you making a sweeping generalization about ALL Chinese. I did think you were taking this as exemplifying a trend in Chinese culture but I may have misread your comments.

I have a thing about people reading too much into anecdotes. It's done in almost every thread about a news story.

 

[Infohawk]

I did think you were taking this as exemplifying a trend in Chinese culture but I may have misread your comments.

I'm saying this is a natural result of of a fucked up society like China's. Again, it's really not that different than your comments about life being cheap in the third world.

 

[Corn]

Seeing someone in distress like that is a situation that almost none of us are used to being in. When we are in unfamiliar situations we look to others to see what they are doing. If nobody else is helping, our brains tell us we don't need to help either.

Your brain might be wired that way, but mine certainly isn't. Says a lot about you that you would even attempt to justify this callous, inhumane behavior.

 

[al981]

There's no hypocrisy. I didn't say all Chinese are uncivilized or that all Americans are civilized. You assumed that because you have poor reading comprehension skills or are really emotional about all this. This is why I wanted to ignore you. It's been a waste of my time.

rofl bullshit. knocking an entire country while using the word "civilized", and you try to claim otherwise.

no emotions here except joy pointing out your blatant hypocrisy.

 

[RampantAndroid]

This is what happens to a desperate people who are struggling for their tiny piece of the pie and know that their government is corrupt and they simply don't have the time/interest to deal with anything.

In conclusion, fvck China.

No, this is what happens when you allow judges to be complete morons:

http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/stor...lp-after-old-man-says-he-fell-by-himself.html

The Nanjing case is at fault here. Surprised no one bothered to mention the Nanjing case in this thread.

 

[fskimospy]

Your brain might be wired that way, but mine certainly isn't. Says a lot about you that you would even attempt to justify this callous, inhumane behavior.

It's possible your brain isn't, but it's unlikely.

There's been a lot of sociological work on the bystander effect and things that cover this situation precisely. If you're interested in learning more I can provide you with a bunch of neat studies on it! It has nothing to do with justifying anything, merely describing reality. (I know reality isn't really your thing, so don't worry I won't hold you to it)

 

[Attic]

The act of ignoring this child as she lays in critical condition on the street is clearly appalling.

Bystander effect plays a role in these situations. Think of yourself in a baseball stadium and imagine if a guy/gal 4 sections over fell to his knees after being shot by the peanut guy, imagine nobody doing anything. What would you be thinking and if you responded how long would you wait prior to running through the stands to help or by calling for security/medics? Gently take that scenario down in scope until you are 1 in 10 or the only one aware of the incident.

I understand the bystander effect as it influences behavior of a large group of people who implicitly affirm a non response is the appropriate response. It is fairly difficult to really appreciate your response to the bystander effect until you see it first hand. Personally I've never considered the phenomenon as a defense of a non response in an emergency situation for groups of <50. Each individual still asks themselves the question of whether or not their response is necessary while gauging it against the groups response. As the number of potential responders dwindle the responsibility of the individual goes up.

In the video of this girl the most disturbing part to me was that the folks walking by appeared to me to be one of only a few people immediatly aware of the childs need for help. The perspective the video shows may have been very limiting in this regard.

I've seen folks on the street not miss a beat in their step when confronted by fairly gruesome car crashes where they could be a first responder. They gawk and continue on with their day, I think that sort of behavior ought to be offensive to anyone with a shred of character/courage.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Does the bystander effect explain why the first guy ran her over twice (front and back wheels), and why the second guy ran her over again?

 

[Infohawk]

rofl bullshit. knocking an entire country while using the word "civilized", and you try to claim otherwise.

no emotions here except joy pointing out your blatant hypocrisy.

So you're proud of tearing down a strawman argument? Work on your reading comprehension.

 

[al981]

So you're proud of tearing down a strawman argument? Work on your reading comprehension.

how about you finally acknowledge the links i posted of americans doing the exact same "uncivilized" shit you're crying about. :thumbsup:

 

[Moonbeam]

It is different because what you are using is called a metaphor and this fucking literally happened. You are depraved. Maybe it is because you Hate Yourself(tm).

I scorn folks without jobs because I look around and see plenty of employment. Sure, it mostly starts at the bottom, but we all had to start at the bottom with a very few exceptions.

Hehehehehehe, a metaphor, right.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I've seen folks on the street not miss a beat in their step when confronted by fairly gruesome car crashes where they could be a first responder. They gawk and continue on with their day, I think that sort of behavior ought to be offensive to anyone with a shred of character/courage.

I again point to Nanjing. See my post. China has been conditioned that "helping = bad" - blame their corrupt "justice" system.

 

[Attic]

I again point to Nanjing. See my post. China has been conditioned that "helping = bad" - blame their corrupt "justice" system.

China's government is rewarding the lady who helped the child.

Beijing (CNN) -- Money rewards are coming in for a woman who rescued a bleeding toddler left for dead last week by multiple passersby in southern China.
Two hit-and-run drivers rammed into Wang Yue, 2, one after another, as she walked on a narrrow street in Foshan.
More than a dozen people walked, cycled or drove past as she lay bleeding in a busy market, sparking a global outcry on the state of morality in a fast-changing society.
Wang is in critical condition, her brain showing little activity despite earlier subtle movements in the lower body, said her mother, Qu Feifei.
But despite the many villains in the story, it has also turned the spotlight on an unlikely hero: A 58-year-old scavenger.
In the video that has sparked outrage globally, Chen Xianmei moves the baby to safety, becoming an instant symbol of understated decency in a nation analysts say is obsessed with climbing the economic ladder.
"I didn't think of anything at the time," Chen said Sunday. "I just wanted to save the girl."
Two government offices in Guangdong province, where the hit-and-run occurred, offered the Good Samaritan a total of 20,000 yuan (US $3,135), according to state-run Xinhua news agency.
Wang's mother has said she does not understand the behavior of the passersby, but wants to focus on the positive.
"Granny Chen represents the best of human nature," she said of her daughter's rescuer. "It's the nicest and most natural side of us."
On Sina Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter, the story continued to be the No. 1 topic after generating more than 4.5 million posts along with a "stop apathy" online campaign.
As the outrage over morality continues, a steady procession of well-wishers pours in, offering gifts, money and support to the toddler's family.

The video available from the link regarding Good Samaritan Laws touches on what you have brought up and does give credence to the idea that folks are scared to help, though mentions the one particular case of a good samaritan being sued was considered a one off type situation.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/19/world/asia/china-toddler-rescued/index.html?hpt=wo_c2

I personally find it a far stretch to use bystander effect or legal conditioning as anything other than an outrageous defense for the selfish behavior from the individuals who ignored this seriously injured young child as she lay in the street.

 

[RampantAndroid]

China's government is rewarding the lady who helped the child.



The video available from the link regarding Good Samaritan Laws touches on what you have brought up and does give credence to the idea that folks are scared to help, though mentions the one particular case of a good samaritan being sued was considered a one off type situation.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/19/world/asia/china-toddler-rescued/index.html?hpt=wo_c2

I personally find it a far stretch to use bystander effect or legal conditioning as anything other than an outrageous defense for the selfish behavior from the individuals who ignored this seriously injured young child as she lay in the street.

I'm not defending - I'm as disgusted as everyone else. I'm offering one possible explanation, with another example (the guy falling off the bus) as support.