Chinese kill 50000 dogs because of rabies

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: orangat

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
I can understand the need to cull the animals to stop the spread of disease, but couldn't they find a more humane way of killing then other than clubbing them to death?

The photograph of three men clubbing a dog lying on the street made me feel horrible.

(see photo here)


Perhaps they could herd all dogs into a Tiananmen type square and keep the tanks and soldiers ready?

Of course they could.
But we are talking about China. Animal cruelty is the norm.

Apparently you missed the sarcasm in my post. Clubbing is also what they did to the students in Tiananmen Square.

Students who sought refuge in buses were pulled out by groups of soldiers and beaten with heavy sticks. Even students attempting to leave the square were set upon by soldiers and beaten.

It's easy to be cruel with animals if you don't respect human life from your part of the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Ah I see. Everyone talks about the 50,000 dogs kill, but apparently the 2000 Chinese died of rabies every year doesn't matter, and nobody talks about them.

Yeah China needs to do a better job vaccinating dogs, and yes China could and should have used more humane ways to kill those dogs. But when you have 1.3 billion people to worry about first, you don't have the time and resource to treat the dogs as well as people.

And when you people respect human life from other parts the world less than some dogs life, I guess you shouldn't expect those people to respect you or work with you in foreign, trade or any policy too.

I would pay good money to get to club to death the disgusting communist leaders over there who live high on the hog while the people starve and do not even have basic needs or money enough to own pets properly etc..

There is no such thing as a good Chinese Communist leader or lawyer or politician

 

[zendari]

Whatever. We kill thousands of fetuses per year too.

 

[ManSnake]

If you don't give your dog proper vaccinations or can't provide proof that you did, then your dog is a danger to society in general. So it should be killed and served for food.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Ah I see. Everyone talks about the 50,000 dogs kill, but apparently the 2000 Chinese died of rabies every year doesn't matter, and nobody talks about them.

Yeah China needs to do a better job vaccinating dogs, and yes China could and should have used more humane ways to kill those dogs. But when you have 1.3 billion people to worry about first, you don't have the time and resource to treat the dogs as well as people.

Its simply a retarded way to deal with the problem though. First of all it doesn't deal with the local wildlife that is infected with rabies and is probably the key carrier of rabies. While admitedly corruption in China might make this tougher, they could at least do something like give an exemption to owners who have actually given their dogs rabies shots. Some of the people who can afford dogs in China can probably afford this.

The most glaring issue is that its a rather lousy way to prevent other people from getting infected with rabies. At least they appear to use longer clubs, but the reality is a bigger dog might need to be hit a few times before being rendered insensible. All you need is for a dog that is actually now infected with rabies to lash out after being attacked and bite someone and suddenly you have another case of someone being infected with rabies. An injection method would undoubtedly be less likely to lead to additional infections if implemented properly.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: zendari
Whatever. We kill thousands of fetuses per year too.

Yeah and I bet you would like to know that the UN pays for some of the forced abortions in China. In fact your boy Pat Robertson thinks it's necessary.

Pat Robertson loves abortion


Have a nice day.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: rchiu
Ah I see. Everyone talks about the 50,000 dogs kill, but apparently the 2000 Chinese died of rabies every year doesn't matter, and nobody talks about them.

Yeah China needs to do a better job vaccinating dogs, and yes China could and should have used more humane ways to kill those dogs. But when you have 1.3 billion people to worry about first, you don't have the time and resource to treat the dogs as well as people.

Its simply a retarded way to deal with the problem though. First of all it doesn't deal with the local wildlife that is infected with rabies and is probably the key carrier of rabies. While admitedly corruption in China might make this tougher, they could at least do something like give an exemption to owners who have actually given their dogs rabies shots. Some of the people who can afford dogs in China can probably afford this.

The most glaring issue is that its a rather lousy way to prevent other people from getting infected with rabies. At least they appear to use longer clubs, but the reality is a bigger dog might need to be hit a few times before being rendered insensible. All you need is for a dog that is actually now infected with rabies to lash out after being attacked and bite someone and suddenly you have another case of someone being infected with rabies. An injection method would undoubtedly be less likely to lead to additional infections if implemented properly.

I don't disagree that clubing the dog to death is a poor way control rabies. But like I said, it comes down to time and resource available. I think it is obvious that injection is gonna cost much more and require more people and resource to execute properly.

This is no different than countries killing hundreds of thousand birds/animals when there were bird flu, foot and mouth disease and mad cow disease concern. Killing animals to contain disease have been practiced, China isn't the first country to do that.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ManSnake
If you don't give your dog proper vaccinations or can't provide proof that you did, then your dog is a danger to society in general. So it should be killed and served for food.

Do they even get to earn wages in that area of China? I doubt any of the leaders would give free Communist vaccinations.. but they will suggest that you kill the girl babies to help control population

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: rchiu
This is no different than countries killing hundreds of thousand birds/animals when there were bird flu, foot and mouth disease and mad cow disease concern. Killing animals to contain disease have been practiced, China isn't the first country to do that.

The reality is those animals were generally killed in more humane ways.

This appears to be a legacy of policies implemented until recently to kill any unlicensed dogs in China. The point was to club the dog to death in front of the owner to make things more unpleasant for him and deter him from trying to own a dog in the future.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: zendari
Whatever. We kill thousands of fetuses per year too.

Yeah and I bet you would like to know that the UN pays for some of the forced abortions in China. In fact your boy Pat Robertson thinks it's necessary.

Pat Robertson loves abortion

Have a nice day.

The UN is a crappy organization supporting poor practices? Not suprising.

 

[ericlp]

Actually in the USA we kill millions of unwanted pets and stray dogs and cats every year....... We just gas the crap out of them. I don't know to me having three dudes pound the crap out of you. I think it would be pretty quick.

It's just here in the USA they never really show you all the animals being destroyed... I'd hate to be a chicken, cow or horse going to the slaughterhouse ... From some of the pictures I've seen here it makes the pictures from China not so bad...

Animal rights? I think there are tons of people that are not responsible in the USA and should have never been able to have had a pet dog or cat to begin with.

I have a few dogs, they get excellent care from the vet, all vaccines, checkups and what not... I don't think it's right, but you know when you see an animal control drive up to catch a dog running around on the street chances are pretty good that dog is going to die if the owner doesn't show up or no one adopts it. I don't like to see any animal die. But, I also don't like to see strays running around breeding more and more unwanted cats and dogs that will just produce more suffering.

China needs to adopt spaying and neutering of their pets so this doesn't get out of control.

 

[CrappyLuckMan]

Originally posted by: straightalker
That's just the start of the barbarism apparently. 500,000 dogs live in an area that's next up for clubbing.

Wanton savagery! All i have to say is every person clubbing those dogs should be clubbed themselves.

Let's wait and see how the dog slaughter effects World opinion as the barbarism escalates.

It's hard to imagine no serious repercussions here in the USA. Boycotts would be the best way to sock it to China. We should halt all trade. We don't need to do business with communists. All that does is build up an enemy.

The democratic party and some democans are pretty much owned by the chinese it seems.

BTW, are they going to cook and eat the 50k dogs they killed or donate them to N Korea?

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Actually in the USA we kill millions of unwanted pets and stray dogs and cats every year....... We just gas the crap out of them. I don't know to me having three dudes pound the crap out of you. I think it would be pretty quick.

You know you better link to your proof, because it sounds like you're just making crap up. In the US we're talking about lethal injections where the animal simply goes to sleep and dies, it vastly more humane than the Chinese method being used in this case.

At least with most animals in slaughter houses, contrary to the exception that PETA might find and then release a video of, most animals are killed basically instantly and don't suffer for any measurable period when killed. This is in distinct contrast to the Chinese beating animals with clubs, which likely takes some time until the animals is actually rendered unconcious in most cases. I'd also suspect there are cases where an animal gets hit and badly injured by one of those clubs, but sucessfully runs away and then suffers for an extended period. You can say what happens to the animals afterwards is grusome, but they don't actually feel that part.

 

[sdifox]

I don't really care how they kill the dogs, as long as it is as painless as possible. Besides, don't baby seals get clubbed every year in the super hypocrite country called Canada?

 

[jpeyton]

Sounds like some villages will be eating well for the next couple weeks.

 

[Zebo]

I'm starting to really like the Han Chinese...now you know why they never had a islamic terrorist attack either. Threats to their peoples are elminatied without mercy.

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I'm starting to really like the Han Chinese...now you know why they never had a islamic terrorist attack either. Threats to their peoples are elminatied without mercy.

Well yeah. Up in the Muslim Uighur area of China there was some massacre a few months ago. Dozens or maybe hundreds of rioting people shot. Of course the Chinese had the PR situation on lock down.

 

[DaedalCipher]

Originally posted by: thetonio
?We are urging everyone to actively boycott ? not a word we use lightly ? anything from China given the bludgeoning killing of thousands of dogs,? PETA President Ingrid Newkirk said.


Umm... looking around my room, I should probably just douse the entire place in kerosene and light a match...

Once again, great plan PETA. Keep up the fabulous and constructive work.

Once again? So I guess you are now an expert on Peta's public policy, and have once again graced us here at ATOT with the brilliantly synospized conclusions of a prodigy undiscovered? Or (and this is more likely) are you just now joining the inherently moronic caste out there that delights in spending days wasting the precious few nuerons unused by their brains in keeping their worthless bodies alive thinking of what they think of as clever-sounding barbs aimed at a legitimate organization whose creation they cannot fathom because of a brain not wired to think past shoot... grunt... kill

A piece of advice, thetonio. Let's try not to jump right into a debate light-years ahead of both our intellectual and emotional level jusr because we can't control what comes out of our mouth, hmmm?

There are many ways China could control their current rabies issue. Only problem is, it's China. That should be 'nuff said for just about everyone lucky enough not to be subject to that blackhole of freedom.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ManSnake
If you don't give your dog proper vaccinations or can't provide proof that you did, then your dog is a danger to society in general. So it should be killed and served for food.

Do they even get to earn wages in that area of China? I doubt any of the leaders would give free Communist vaccinations.. but they will suggest that you kill the girl babies to help control population

As oppose to what ? Letting that girl starve to death because of over population to the point that food stocks are completely depeleted.

PS If you eat meat then you have no right to talk IMHO. Go visit a slaughter house once in your life. Also as someone else stated we kill millions of pets each year and we do so just because we got bored with them as pets and the newness factor wears off. China did this for public health reasons not because they thought it was fun or because they got bored with these dogs and they couldn't teach it to sit/fetch. Geez people sure love to throw stones.

As far as the method they used well I guess that is the most cost effective measure to deal with the problem in the poorer areas of China. Sorry they don't have trillions to throw away just to make a few emotional people happy.

 

[piasabird]

Once again China has shown it is a breeding ground for all the diseases of the world. China is just a giant third world country, led by A greedy Communist Fascist Regime. They will throw a bunch of peope who believe in meditation in a prison camp and harvest their organs, but they can not vaccinate a few pets.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ManSnake
If you don't give your dog proper vaccinations or can't provide proof that you did, then your dog is a danger to society in general. So it should be killed and served for food.

Do they even get to earn wages in that area of China? I doubt any of the leaders would give free Communist vaccinations.. but they will suggest that you kill the girl babies to help control population

As oppose to what ? Letting that girl starve to death because of over population to the point that food stocks are completely depeleted.

PS If you eat meat then you have no right to talk IMHO. Go visit a slaughter house once in your life. Also as someone else stated we kill millions of pets each year and we do so just because we got bored with them as pets and the newness factor wears off. China did this for public health reasons not because they thought it was fun or because they got bored with these dogs and they couldn't teach it to sit/fetch. Geez people sure love to throw stones.

As far as the method they used well I guess that is the most cost effective measure to deal with the problem in the poorer areas of China. Sorry they don't have trillions to throw away just to make a few emotional people happy.

Do bullets cost trillions?

 

[DaedalCipher]

:::Applause:::

 

[thetonio]

Once again? So I guess you are now an expert on Peta's public policy, and have once again graced us here at ATOT with the brilliantly synospized conclusions of a prodigy undiscovered? Or (and this is more likely) are you just now joining the inherently moronic caste out there that delights in spending days wasting the precious few nuerons unused by their brains in keeping their worthless bodies alive thinking of what they think of as clever-sounding barbs aimed at a legitimate organization whose creation they cannot fathom because of a brain not wired to think past shoot... grunt... kill

Quite simply put, I don't like an organization that throws out frivolous statements and launches absurd campaigns (such as the one I previously quoted) that are far from a constructive approach to the matter at hand with their only intention being to gain publicity.

Examples? How about distributing these flyers amongst school children:

http://grimthing.com/archives/2003/12/19/your-mommy-kills-animals/
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10265078/

I have nothing wrong with having a love for fuzzy creatures, but the PETA statement I quoted earlier shouldn't have even been cited in the first place... it's only encouraging their behaviour.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ManSnake
If you don't give your dog proper vaccinations or can't provide proof that you did, then your dog is a danger to society in general. So it should be killed and served for food.

Do they even get to earn wages in that area of China? I doubt any of the leaders would give free Communist vaccinations.. but they will suggest that you kill the girl babies to help control population

As oppose to what ? Letting that girl starve to death because of over population to the point that food stocks are completely depeleted.

PS If you eat meat then you have no right to talk IMHO. Go visit a slaughter house once in your life. Also as someone else stated we kill millions of pets each year and we do so just because we got bored with them as pets and the newness factor wears off. China did this for public health reasons not because they thought it was fun or because they got bored with these dogs and they couldn't teach it to sit/fetch. Geez people sure love to throw stones.

As far as the method they used well I guess that is the most cost effective measure to deal with the problem in the poorer areas of China. Sorry they don't have trillions to throw away just to make a few emotional people happy.

Do bullets cost trillions?

Do bullets cost money ? If you really feel that strongly about the issue raise the money to build a facility in China to put animals to sleep instead. Maybe we can send all those puppies and kittens in US pet mills we put to sleep each year that dont cut the mustard and aren't cute enough or are to energetic to be bought by folks.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Termagant

Originally posted by: Zebo
I'm starting to really like the Han Chinese...now you know why they never had a islamic terrorist attack either. Threats to their peoples are elminatied without mercy.

Well yeah. Up in the Muslim Uighur area of China there was some massacre a few months ago. Dozens or maybe hundreds of rioting people shot. Of course the Chinese had the PR situation on lock down.

The Government doesn't eliminate "threats to their people without mercy"...they eliminate threats to their GOVERNMENT.

There are things that I like about their Gov, but there are things I hate. And they definitely do NOT take the interests of their people into consideration. It is all about party