Chinese discovered America, not Columbus.

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Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
The point about Columbus and America is that his "discovery" is what led to the current status of the America's being largely European in character.

If the Chinese, and it's a big if IMHO, did what this article says, it's largely irrelevant since it doesn't seem to have much impact on World History the way that Columbus' voyage did.
Exactly. It doesn't matter who was here first; it was Columbus' discovery that changed the world. It's the same situation as the Wright Brothers' flap about who was really the first to fly a powered heavier than air craft; even if someone else technically did it before, it was they who changed the world.
 

milagro

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Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Didn't the Vikings beat Columbus here anyway?
yes...and basically if you look at current patterns in the atlantic, virtually any boat launching from Western Europe is bound to end up in America..

And how does one discover something where people already are?
 

GasX

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If you claim to "discover" a place and people already live there, aren't you getting a little ahead of yourself?
 

Tom

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He discovered that too.

If you use your thinking cap it's very easy to understand.

Until Columbus got back from his voyage the Spanish and Europeans didn't know about the Americas or the people there. So when he got back and told them about it he had discovered it from their point of view.

No one "discovered" America in some absolute sense. or I should say we can't possibly know who may have "discovered" it first since it undoubtedly happened long before recorded history begins.



 

bolido2000

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The "Civilized world" or Europe discovered America thanks to Columbus. Many customs in many modern countries still come from European/Western culture that's why I guess the general notion is the European notion.

 

Blain

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To "discover" is to uncover a thing not previously known. Now if Columbus had claimed to have "invented" America, that would be a different story.

I'm sure people had known about gold at "Sutter's Mill" before 1848. Yet that year was recognized as being the year of its discovery. :p
 

Walleye

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LMAO!!!

did anyone see the blaringly obvious word set in the first paragraph that casts severe doubt on (i would say nullifies) all the "findings" of this book?

since when do I let Ametuer historians tell me what happened 500+years ago?

The Americas were discovered by Mongoloid Asians (chinese looking Russians) who migrated over the ice bridge between Russia and Alaska, several thousand years ago. but as far as Americas being discovered by civilized societies (know how to smith metal, imo), that honor falls on Leif Ericcson, son of Eric the Red, discoverer of Greenland. (now who's the more successful?
 

BeauJangles

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Leif Ericson (sp?) landed here in the 10th century; trumps both Chinese claim and mainland European claim.
 

911paramedic

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I am just glad that Columbus decided to colonize, because I cant speak Chinese.

(I hear their arithmetic is hard too :Q )
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Leif Ericson (sp?) landed here in the 10th century; trumps both Chinese claim and mainland European claim.
actually there was a chinese monk that came here in 500 BC iirc :D

i think this is really interesting stuff from a historical standpoint.
 

Jugernot

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Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: Jugernot
NPR, need I say more?
uh what's wrong with NPR? best radio station on the air...
You can't turn it on without hearing some nut job trying to tell people how to live their lives, about how the aliens did an anal probe of their sister, or we are all about to die. Pure crap if you ask me. A few bad apples DO ruin the bunch in this case.
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: Jugernot
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: Jugernot
NPR, need I say more?
uh what's wrong with NPR? best radio station on the air...
You can't turn it on without hearing some nut job trying to tell people how to live their lives, about how the aliens did an anal probe of their sister, or we are all about to die. Pure crap if you ask me. A few bad apples DO ruin the bunch in this case.
wtf? maybe your NPR affiliate is on crack or something...

this is what my affiliate airs

it's mostly politics + discussion of various issues, with some music, and some "fun" shows like that garrison keillor show.
 

ElFenix

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interesting, but really doesn't change anything
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Didn't the Vikings beat Columbus here anyway?
the vikings discovered canada and look how that whole mess turned out
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I am aware of some of this before the book. Thanks for posting it, because I did not get to hear all of it, and I missed the book title. Thing was this guy did not just discover America. He apparently discovered the whole frickin world. See Beaus quote. Doesnt matter if it stuck, if all the settlements and bits and pieces were due to this man, then he stands as an explorer unequalled in all of history.
 

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