Chinese Developer Accused of Infringing on Torchlight

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krnmastersgt

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Yeah... It's totally a shocker when some Chinese business completely ignores copyrights and steals IP from other nations.

/sarcasm
 
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Ashenor

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Actually been following this since it happened. I have the app from the Canada store, sadly its a good iOS game.

Funny thing in there reply they claim that they ripped off D2 and Fate.

Great when Travis lets them know most of the team work on D2 and they did not copy any art, music or other, and that Fate was his game lmao.
 
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DucatiMonster696

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Craig234 said:
China clearly has thieves stealing IP for their benefit. I'd yell at them more until I think about how many places we've put dictators who torture and kill for OUR economic benefit.
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2 Wrongs make a right......US = The root of all evil in your world view and thus no company in the US has a right to demand justice be administered if some talentless hack in China is blatantly ripping off their IP (aka work).
 
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Craig234

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DucatiMonster696 said:
2 Wrongs make a right......US = The root of all evil in your world view and thus no company in the US has a right to demand justice be administered if some talentless hack in China is blatantly ripping off their IP (aka work).
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No, that's a lie. You're like a German reacting to the holocaust not with 'we did bad and should learn' but with 'the only reason you mention the holocaust is you hate Germany'.

I'd say you're the one who hates America - while I care and want America to be honest about mistakes and avoid them, you want America to do bad.

In other words, the rest of the world can be killed like insects, and you see no problem.

Somewhere on a Chinese discussion board, a Chinese Craig234 posted, "hey, the issue of our violating American IP has some valid points. We should look at how to be more fair", and a Chinese Ducati posting "China is the root of all evil in your world view and it's ok no matter what the US does wrong to China." People like that fight against fixing any wrongs.
 
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Craig234

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GoodRevrnd said:
Look, I'm not ignorant or don't disagree, I'm always just amazed at the places people decide to bring this stuff up. It's very :rolleyes: worthy.
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My point is that every country tends to be a lot better at seeing wrongs others do to it - often very valid - than the wrongs they do. It helps to understand both points of view.

When the US looks at another country's resource we'd like - be it missle eastern oil or Latin American fruit and resources - we've been known to say 'we'd like that, and very cheaply while we're at it, Steam sale pricing please. Oh, they don't want to just hand it over? Well, then, we'll put our friend in charge who will hand it over and if he has to torture and kill thousands who don't like their countrt being run by our pal, well, no problem.'

For example, in Chile, most of their exporting resource was copper; a US company invested to build mining but then had an arrangement where they took nearly all the wealth out.

In fact, around 1970, all three presidential candidates from socialist to conservative all supported nationalizing it - which the winner did. And then, the US arranged a coup killing that President and replaced him with Pinochet, who kept order with things like a Ford factory where a worker suspected of being liberal would be hauled off the line and tortured just outside the buildind where their screams could be heard.

Now, that's how we have sometimes treated 'other people's resources'. Nothing new there - powerful countries have always done some nasty thing about 'others' resources'.

And to China, no doubt, they look at the US and feel like those are our easily exploitable resources to enrich them. And they care more about the money they can make than 'fair'.

Why do I bring that up here? Because I think it's good to understand the issue brought up here about how one nation can unfairly exploit another's resources.

It's kind of pointless to jump up and down finger pointing at one case, and not understanding how these things work mroe broadly and the 'other side's point of view'.

I think what China is doing is wrong, and that we should make efforts to crack down on it.

But I think it's better to appreciate the larger issue with how one country feels it's ok to exploit another, instead of there being ignorance that exploitation is unique to China.

I suspect they think it's hypocritical for a country who has exploited others violently to complain when theirs are exploited.

I mention that because if you want to discuss the issue of gross violations of intellectual property, it's good to understand the views of the people doing it.

It's a little like when I often defend intellectual property rights against Americans with a 'piracy' agenda, and have to try to explain the harm done by 'just making a copy'.

To discuss the issue, it helps to understand their point of view, why they think piracy is 'ok', and that they can use some education on the harm done by it.

However, people who are benefitting tend not to like to hear it. China doesn't like to hear lectures on why they're wrong. Pirates have a lot of rationalizations - for example, it's amazing how many said that a reason making it ok to pirate was how the industry exaggerated the problem at times (true, but irrelevan). And Mursalis above doesn't like to hear the truth, either, when it's not in his favor.

The issue was brought up, and sorry, I think there's use to then discussing it, not just an ignorant, limited discussion ignoring a lot of information and one of the sides' views.

That sort of one-sidedness is part of what helps wars happen - when two sides, each only like to hear 'their side' and both feel justified war is the answer against the other.

It's better to understand the issues. In this case, China needs to understand the need for protection of IP, and why strong diplomatic and legal actions are justified against them.

There's a reason they're called pirates - people could make a living attacking the merchant ships long ago, and people can make a living copying IP today.

And to be fair, it's very possible for IP to be abused on the OTHER side. There's a reason the US grants patent protections for a limited time, used to grant copyright for a limited time (it seems like now the sky's the limit, with Disney getting the laws changed to extend protections like never before).

As someone accused of this anti-American agenda, let me say, things have greatly changed for the better - it's great to note how the abuses I describe are more part of history. There's a far, far healthier relatoinship between the US and Latin America today, and we do not see the terrible things I mentioned. Rather than Pinochet being put in power, he was put in chains.

Ya, it's 'PC gaming', but when an issue of a nation exploiting another's resources is brought up, I think it's useful to point out more of the issue, not just a useless "China suxors" post.

China seems to feel pretty entitled about this stealing, and it's worth discussing what should be done, including about changing their views on IP protection.
 
GoodRevrnd

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Did you just get your mind blown by your freshman US History class or something? I mean Jesus, this is the PC Gaming sub-forum.
 
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Craig234

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GoodRevrnd said:
Did you just get your mind blown by your freshman US History class or something? I mean Jesus, this is the PC Gaming sub-forum.
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OK, let's try this in a way you can deal with. The Chinese are the zerg, and they are a threat to us Terrans, and... oops, ran out of room for the attention span. Hope that helped.
 
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