China's "Born in the USA" Frenzy

[Infohawk]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110615/wl_time/08599207769300

The so-called 'citizen's welfare'
According to the 14th Amendment to the U.S. constitution (ratified in 1868), anyone born in United States automatically becomes an American citizen and obtains access to public education, university loans, voting, and so on... Even so, if one does not work in America or pay taxes after the age of 15, one can only enjoy very limited access to U.S. welfare benefits. "The system doesn't totally exclude people who don't pay taxes here, but those who do not pay as much tax as Americans do cannot expect the same benefits. But each state has different regulations," says Mr. Yang, a Chinese born man who works in New Jersey and has a green card.
"Giving birth to a child in the States is a wonderful dream, but a very costly one too," Song Jingwen concludes. "People who choose to go down this path must know that they will not be paying only for birthing and post birthing care, but they will also be paying a lot more for the whole life."

This country is being eaten alive by hungry third-worlders. I am less interested in blaming them for trying though when what's truly sad is our collective inability or unwillingness to do anything about it.

 

[a777pilot]

The Supreme Court has yet to rule on the citizenship of a child born within the boundaries of this country, but born to two individuals that are here illegally.

Maybe soon.

 

[OlafSicky]

Have you ever seen a mule eaten by horseflies, it does nothing abut it. Because there is nothing that can be done.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

I am sure glad no one comes up from Mexico to do this, that would really be bad.

 

[Infohawk]

The Supreme Court has yet to rule on the citizenship of a child born within the boundaries of this country, but born to two individuals that are here illegally.

Maybe soon.

I wouldn't bet on them making anchor babies illegal. And even if they did Americans will still find a way to pay for their educations while our own middle class dies a slow death.

 

[Svnla]

Not just the riches from China but Middle East, Asia, Russia, etc. are doing the very same thing. ABC News did a story (Birth Tourists) a while back about how US hospitals, hotels were posting ads in the soon to be mothers' home countries.

Found the story = http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/birt...s-citizenship-abroad/story?id=10359956&page=1

Drop a baby on US soil = automatically US citizen. What a country.

 

[mizzou]

Lady liberty just shed a tear

 

[First]

Honestly thought this was a joke thread. Sadly it's not. America was built on backs of 3rd worlder's, dating back to the 19th century. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know their U.S. history, plain and simple. Hell, specifically Chinese 3rd worlder's working on railroad tracks and mines in the 1860's. The fact that their children become American citizens isn't frightening to most people, unless you're just xenophobic.

 

[OCGuy]

It is so sad what this country has become.

 

[Schadenfroh]

I know of some Chinese graduate students that are considering going down this path. Some I know also considered pissing off the Chinese government enough so they can try to claim asylum (wisely decided against this option).

Keep in mind, nearly all Chinese students, immigrants, tourists, etc. are here legally.

 

[quikah]

These are not third worlders or illegal aliens. They are relatively wealthy people who have a valid visa to enter the US.

 

[Zedtom]

"...if one does not work in America or pay taxes after the age of 15, one can only enjoy very limited access to U.S. welfare benefits. "The system doesn't totally exclude people who don't pay taxes here, but those who do not pay as much tax as Americans do cannot expect the same benefits."
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I have seen with my own eyes many instances of foreigners receiving full benefits in spite of no contribution of social security taxes. I declare the quote to be completely wrong.

 

[Infohawk]

These are not third worlders or illegal aliens. They are relatively wealthy people who have a valid visa to enter the US.

If you're from a third world country you're a third worlder. Sorry. Just like if you're a poor person in the first world, you're still from the first world.

 

[jackstar7]

Jeremy: I'm a racist.
Isaac: Jeremy...
Jeremy: I am, I'm a terrible racist. I think all those people with the funny accents and weird skin color should go back to wherever they came from and leave this country to the people who rightfully stole it from the Indians... which they deserved.
Isaac: Jeremy...
Jeremy: I'm serious, this country is being ruined by the blacks and the Jews.
Isaac: You're Jewish.
Jeremy: And I have to be stopped!

--SportsNight

 

[Fox5]

They do have to LIVE in America to collect the benefits, right?

I'd like to think the public education and chance at a better life are why they come here, and not welfare money.

 

[Infohawk]

Honestly thought this was a joke thread. Sadly it's not. America was built on backs of 3rd worlder's, dating back to the 19th century. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know their U.S. history, plain and simple. Hell, specifically Chinese 3rd worlder's working on railroad tracks and mines in the 1860's. The fact that their children become American citizens isn't frightening to most people, unless you're just xenophobic.

The concept of third world didn't exist at that time. This is completely different than America being built on the backs of immigrants. Do you really think the Chinese who worked on the railroads, or the Irish, or anyone else who came here in the 19th century got free higher education? Of course they didn't.

Anyway, you seem like one of those "if you don't believe in unlimited immigration you're a xenophobe." Most Americans don't mind limited immigration that is fair. Being able to afford a plane ticket and game the system isn't really a fair way to select new citizens.

 

[gevorg]

Its a good trade-off for scamming China with greenback.

 

[Infohawk]

They do have to LIVE in America to collect the benefits, right?

I'd like to think the public education and chance at a better life are why they come here, and not welfare money.

There are plenty of well-meaning people in the world who want education and "a better life." In the end they want to be here for the public goodies (according to this article and the people they talked with). We no longer have the money to educate unlimited foreigners for the hell of it. And even if we did, it's ridiculous to do so when most people agree China is going to overtake the US as the world's most powerful economy.

 

[First]

The concept of third world didn't exist at that time.

Yes, it did. And even if it didn't, it's a nonsense excuse.

This is completely different than America being built on the backs of immigrants. Do you really think the Chinese who worked on the railroads, or the Irish, or anyone else who came here in the 19th century got free higher education? Of course they didn't.

We've evolved.

Anyway, you seem like one of those "if you don't believe in unlimited immigration you're a xenophobe." Most Americans don't mind limited immigration that is fair. Being able to afford a plane ticket and game the system isn't really a fair way to select new citizens.

There's nothing particularly unfair about any of this, nor is this gaming the system. It's law, it was built into the 14th amendment.

 

[Infohawk]

Yes, it did. And even if it didn't, it's a nonsense excuse.



We've evolved.



There's nothing particularly unfair about any of this, nor is this gaming the system. It's law, it was built into the 14th amendment.

No the term did not exist in the 19th century. You're losing credibility. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World

"We've evolved" defeats your original point, which was that this is no different from the past. Sounds like you're agreeing with me now that this is a different ballgame. You may like it, but you can't use the past to justify it.

There's a green card lottery. Many poorer people are waiting for their chance. But then relatively rich migrants can bypass the lottery by flying here and popping out a baby in an illegal maternity center. (Something that the founders never conceived of.) That is unfair to the people who are in the lottery fairly.

 

[CanOWorms]

She doesn't seem like a "hungry" third worlder. She bought a ticket to the US, paid for care in the US, etc.

I imagine the number of citizens coming through this method to be quite low. I think that it's more of a disguised racial issue.

 

[First]

No the term did not exist in the 19th century. You're losing credibility. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World

Pure nonsense. 3rd world is synonymous with poor and unindustrialized. Quite clearly China was poor and unindustrialized in comparison to the U.S. in the 1860's. So we took them in and paid them far better wages.

"We've evolved" defeats your original point, which was that this is no different from the past.

I didn't say we were no different, I said accepting immigrants into the country was no different from what we've always done. The fact that we treat them better than we used to (which yes, IS different, and also a good thing) is simply a natural course of moral evolution. What you fail to mention is the complications of not letting them go to school, not letting them be American citizens. No mention for you of the practical implications of that boondoggle.

Sounds like you're agreeing with me now that this is a different ballgame. You may like it, but you can't use the past to justify it.

Sure I can.

There's a green card lottery. Many poorer people are waiting for their chance. But then relatively rich migrants can bypass the lottery by flying here and popping out a baby in an illegal maternity center. (Something that the founders never conceived of.) That is unfair to the people who are in the lottery fairly.

The founders didn't write the 14th amendment, and it's original language has been interpreted that way for a good reason; we've evolved. The fact that you don't like it because you think it costs too much or is unsustainable isn't actually supported by facts, figures or numbers. It's your, seemingly mostly gut xenophobic, reaction to people different from you. Kids born in the U.S., no matter what their parent's origin or legality, should absolutely be American citizens.

 

[HAL9000]

I don't really get what people are getting by doing this, it's not like you've got a big welfare state or anything...?

 

[Cheesetogo]

If you're from a third world country you're a third worlder. Sorry. Just like if you're a poor person in the first world, you're still from the first world.

China is not a third world country...

 

[Schadenfroh]

China is not a third world country...

The major cities are not, head out into the country and see how the majority of the peasants live.

Hint: There is a reason behind their restrictions on allowing people to move to the major cities.