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China won't take back its citizens.

techs

Lifer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060314/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/chertoff_china

China is refusing to take back an estimated 39,000 citizens who have been denied immigration to the United States and have clogged detention centers at federal expense, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Tuesday.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Chertoff said that China last year readmitted 800 people. But that made only a small dent in what he described as a backlog of thousands illegally in the U.S.

"The math is pretty easy ? at that rate, we wind up with increasing numbers of migrants who, if we're going to detain them, we're going to have to house at enormous expense," Chertoff said.

He added: "We can't be in the position any longer where we are paying the burden and bearing the burden for countries that won't cooperate with us and take their own citizens back."

Currently, 687 Chinese are being held in federal detention facilities, at a daily rate of $95 each, while some 38,000 have been released on bond or under a monitoring program, such as wearing an electronic surveillance bracelet, the Homeland Security Department said later Tuesday.

Illegal immigrants can be held for 180 days before they are released.

Chertoff also said Homeland Security would open detention facilities in the next few weeks to house entire families of illegal immigrants who hope to bring their children along in order to avoid jail time. "It'll be humane, but we're not going to let people get away with this," he said.

Chertoff's remarks comes as the Homeland Security Department aims to end its "catch and release" immigration policy by Oct. 1. After that date, all illegal immigrants will be held in U.S. detention centers until they can be returned to their nation of citizenry.

Over the last five years, Homeland Security has deported more than 2,580 Chinese nationals, department data show. Though other nations also are refusing to take back citizens who have been denied U.S. immigration, Chertoff refused to name them Tuesday, noting that the number of stranded citizens from China far outpace those from other counties.


What a dilemma for the U.S. Should we pay to keep them imprisoned? Or let them have green cards and support themselves?
 
It looks like the only option is give them a green card...Keeping them imprisoned is stupid.
 
Why keep them imprisoned at our expense when they could be getting 4.0 GPAs and curing cancer in our universities instead?
 
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing
after the mandatory period, release them. There is nothing gained by keeping them imprisoned

Then ever country is going to start pulling this stunt.

what else are you going to do with them? send on a boat back to china?
 
Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing
after the mandatory period, release them. There is nothing gained by keeping them imprisoned

Then ever country is going to start pulling this stunt.

what else are you going to do with them? send on a boat back to china?
We do that to everyone coming from the Carribean countries.

 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why keep them imprisoned at our expense when they could be getting 4.0 GPAs and curing cancer in our universities instead?

So you have information that all of these immigrants are medical geniuses?

Besides if John "Amnesty and Open Borders" McCain gets his way, all of these people will just become citizens anyway.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why keep them imprisoned at our expense when they could be getting 4.0 GPAs and curing cancer in our universities instead?

Because fat and lazy Americans will provide food and shelter to them for free.

 
Idea One:
Put them in bombers and drop them from the sky on top of bejing. If you want to be nice put a parachute on them.

Idea Two Build a Prison Camp and put them to work growing rice or something. Make them earn their living.
 
Here is what we should do. Tell China that for every illegal from their country that they won't take back, we'll give $10000 more in military aid to Taiwan.
 
Originally posted by: senseamp
Here is what we should do. Tell China that for every illegal from their country that they won't take back, we'll give $10000 more in military aid to Taiwan.

That would probably get their attention.
Seriously though, i need to wonder just how in the world they justify this, what would they do if some americans entered china without the chinese govt approving it, and the US just said "well we don't want them back"?
 
Originally posted by: Banzai042
Originally posted by: senseamp
Here is what we should do. Tell China that for every illegal from their country that they won't take back, we'll give $10000 more in military aid to Taiwan.

That would probably get their attention.
Seriously though, i need to wonder just how in the world they justify this, what would they do if some americans entered china without the chinese govt approving it, and the US just said "well we don't want them back"?

They would shoot them in the head and be done with it. Chances are they wouldn't even ask first.
 
Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing
after the mandatory period, release them. There is nothing gained by keeping them imprisoned

Then ever country is going to start pulling this stunt.

what else are you going to do with them? send on a boat back to china?

Keep them in jail and add a tarrif on ever thing stamp made in china to pay for the jail.
 
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why keep them imprisoned at our expense when they could be getting 4.0 GPAs and curing cancer in our universities instead?

So you have information that all of these immigrants are medical geniuses?

Besides if John "Amnesty and Open Borders" McCain gets his way, all of these people will just become citizens anyway.

I think it's just a joke.

I'm about to finish up my bachelor's degree in engineering. Almost all of the grad students are chinese and indian.
 
Originally posted by: Legend
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why keep them imprisoned at our expense when they could be getting 4.0 GPAs and curing cancer in our universities instead?

So you have information that all of these immigrants are medical geniuses?

Besides if John "Amnesty and Open Borders" McCain gets his way, all of these people will just become citizens anyway.

I think it's just a joke.

I'm about to finish up my bachelor's degree in engineering. Almost all of the grad students are chinese and indian.

When I was taking grad school classes, we had tons of Chinese throughout our research labs.

Besides, I think we have a much bigger problem with our southern border.
 
Originally posted by: techs

China is refusing to take back an estimated 39,000 citizens who have been denied immigration to the United States and have clogged detention centers at federal expense, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Tuesday.

The Chinese are very, very smart. China doesn't want these malcontents and has tremendous overpopulation anyway. Also, the Chinese know that the Americans are altruist softies and that America will soon be China's biatch. End result--these 39,000 illegals become American citizens.

Imagine what would happen if Mexico threatened to do the same thing. "If you send these traitors <cough cough> back to Mexico, we will shoot them on site." Whammo--they're now American citizens or at least residents. The Mexican government would love that and so would the illegals.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
It looks like the only option is give them a green card...Keeping them imprisoned is stupid.

Or...we could put them on a boat and drop them off on China's shores.

Or...we could drop them off in Mexico. (Sorry guys...Mexico sends us millions of illegals, so this is our gift to Mexico.)

Or...we could drop them off in Africa, South America, or Southeast Asia, etc.

I know that sounds heartless, but if we give in, then just about any nation that feels it has an overpopulation problem could easily dump tens of millions of impoverished, destitute people on the U.S.

What would China do if we dropped these people off on the Chinese beach? Shoot them? That's what the world's overpopulation problem will come to eventually. I suppose that in some countries, they might set up suicidatoriums (like in the movie Soylent Green) for people who are so miserable living in abject poverty that they'd prefer to die peacefully (coming soon to an American city near you).

 
I see a couple of good ideas there. Giving the aid to taiwan for each illegal, and adding import fees to thier goods for each illegal.
If they are military age they could also accept service as a way in...minimum 4 years.
 
From my understand when I was in China. Any illegals that were caught, China would have to pay thousands in fees to have them deported back to China.

I found out the hard way when my Passport got wet and they assumed my passport was a forgery, which almost made me miss my flight. I didn't understand what the big deal was until I found out from customs over there that they would need to pay (I forget how much exactly but I remembered it was in the thousands) to get me back if my passport was really a forgery.

This would explain why China is reluctant to take back that many refugees.
 
Originally posted by: Legend
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why keep them imprisoned at our expense when they could be getting 4.0 GPAs and curing cancer in our universities instead?

So you have information that all of these immigrants are medical geniuses?

Besides if John "Amnesty and Open Borders" McCain gets his way, all of these people will just become citizens anyway.

I think it's just a joke.

I'm about to finish up my bachelor's degree in engineering. Almost all of the grad students are chinese and indian.

Its hard to get a job in the US without a degree from an American university when it comes to engineering so they have to get a masters degree.
 
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Originally posted by: ntdz
It looks like the only option is give them a green card...Keeping them imprisoned is stupid.

Or...we could put them on a boat and drop them off on China's shores.

Or...we could drop them off in Mexico. (Sorry guys...Mexico sends us millions of illegals, so this is our gift to Mexico.)

Or...we could drop them off in Africa, South America, or Southeast Asia, etc.

I know that sounds heartless, but if we give in, then just about any nation that feels it has an overpopulation problem could easily dump tens of millions of impoverished, destitute people on the U.S.

What would China do if we dropped these people off on the Chinese beach? Shoot them? That's what the world's overpopulation problem will come to eventually. I suppose that in some countries, they might set up suicidatoriums (like in the movie Soylent Green) for people who are so miserable living in abject poverty that they'd prefer to die peacefully (coming soon to an American city near you).

It's not even worth the cost to ship them to China, and China wouldn't allow our ships in their waters anyway. We aren't allowed to go onto Mexico's soil, so how exactly are we going to make the Chinese go to Mexico?
 
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