China warns Federal Reserve over 'printing money'

GeezerMan

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I remember when we were a sovereign country. Now, we have to answer to our creditors, and I don't blame them for grilling us.


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China warns Federal Reserve over 'printing money'
China has warned a top member of the US Federal Reserve that it is increasingly disturbed by the Fed's direct purchase of US Treasury bonds.

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 1:52PM BST 27 May 2009


Richard Fisher, president of the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank, said: "Senior officials of the Chinese government grilled me about whether or not we are going to monetise the actions of our legislature."

"I must have been asked about that a hundred times in China. I was asked at every single meeting about our purchases of Treasuries. That seemed to be the principal preoccupation of those that were invested with their surpluses mostly in the United States," he told the Wall Street Journal.


His recent trip to the Far East appears to have been a stark reminder that Asia's "Confucian" culture of right action does not look kindly on the insouciant policy of printing money by Anglo-Saxons.

Mr Fisher, the Fed's leading hawk, was a fierce opponent of the original decision to buy Treasury debt, fearing that it would lead to a blurring of the line between fiscal and monetary policy ? and could all too easily degenerate into Argentine-style financing of uncontrolled spending.

However, he agreed that the Fed was forced to take emergency action after the financial system "literally fell apart".

Nor, he added was there much risk of inflation taking off yet. The Dallas Fed uses a "trim mean" method based on 180 prices that excludes extreme moves and is widely admired for accuracy.

"You've got some mild deflation here," he said.

The Oxford-educated Mr Fisher, an outspoken free-marketer and believer in the Schumpeterian process of "creative destruction", has been running a fervent campaign to alert Americans to the "very big hole" in unfunded pension and health-care liabilities built up by a careless political class over the years.

"We at the Dallas Fed believe the total is over $99 trillion," he said in February.

"This situation is of your own creation. When you berate your representatives or senators or presidents for the mess we are in, you are really berating yourself. You elect them," he said.

His warning comes amid growing fears that America could lose its AAA sovereign rating.
 

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It's unfunded now but it's not owed now, so really not a fair argument, just as my cable bill for the next three decades will be thousands of dollars that I don't have now, but will as the actual monthly obligations mature.

That said, of course it's no surprise that a creditor is concerned when their debtee starts printing money. The US is walking a tightrope right now and if they get it wrong there is going to be a considerable amount of pain. Based on its complete bungling to date (e.g. being oblivious to all of this until 11th hour meetings throughout last year) it seems rather unlikely it's going to hit the bullseye.
 

Specop 007

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Hope and Change! Nationalize the industrial base of America, tax the shit out of the middle class and print money until the dollar is useless.

Hot damn.
 

nullzero

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I like to hear the naysayers now... That were laughing at all us predicting where the economy was heading.
 

jpeyton

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Are you guys going to cry wolf for the next eight years, or are you just getting all this out of your system early?
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's unfunded now but it's not owed now, so really not a fair argument, just as my cable bill for the next three decades will be thousands of dollars that I don't have now, but will as the actual monthly obligations mature.

That said, of course it's no surprise that a creditor is concerned when their debtee starts printing money. The US is walking a tightrope right now and if they get it wrong there is going to be a considerable amount of pain. Based on its complete bungling to date (e.g. being oblivious to all of this until 11th hour meetings throughout last year) it seems rather unlikely it's going to hit the bullseye.

'cept you can just cancel your cable...
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Hope and Change! Nationalize the industrial base of America, tax the shit out of the middle class and print money until the dollar is useless.

Hot damn.

:roll:

the middle class got a tax cut, there is minimal inflation, and nothing has gotten nationalized.

Also, who gives a shit what china thinks?
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Are you guys going to cry wolf for the next eight years, or are you just getting all this out of your system early?

Crying wolf implies nothing is wrong. The economy is continuing to tank despite Obama's massive spending. Thats not crying wolf, thats crying reality.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Also, who gives a shit what china thinks?

Apparently Hillary Clinton who has been over there begging them to keep lending us money.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Are you guys going to cry wolf for the next eight years, or are you just getting all this out of your system early?

Crying wolf implies nothing is wrong. The economy is continuing to tank despite Obama's massive spending. Thats not crying wolf, thats crying reality.

The economy tanked because your buddy George Bush had the printing machines running 24/7 and spent money like a drunken sailor.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Hope and Change! Nationalize the industrial base of America, tax the shit out of the middle class and print money until the dollar is useless.

Hot damn.

Are you are as fucking stupid in real life as your posts would indicate?

Who started printing the money

Who started the nationalization

You are the perfect Republican Cow..
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Are you guys going to cry wolf for the next eight years, or are you just getting all this out of your system early?

Crying wolf implies nothing is wrong. The economy is continuing to tank despite Obama's massive spending. Thats not crying wolf, thats crying reality.

When will you ever be honest with yourself... your whole life is a lie if you live in a black and white Republicans Good - Democrats Bad... embarrassing ... you are the reason the George Bush crew was able to get away with all their bullshit that got us into this mess ...
 

SickBeast

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I think all these fears are overblown.

You guys are afraid that China, a third world country, is going to bring you down? Seriously?

US debt per capita isn't great, but it is not the worst out there compared to your GDP. The US economy will be fine so long as you guys stay out of any wars that crop up over the next 5-10 years.

China has a messed up communist government. Shame on them for telling the US how to run their economy. Dummies. :thumbsdown:
 

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Are you guys going to cry wolf for the next eight years, or are you just getting all this out of your system early?

Crying wolf implies nothing is wrong. The economy is continuing to tank despite Obama's massive spending. Thats not crying wolf, thats crying reality.

The economy tanked because your buddy George Bush had the printing machines running 24/7 and spent money like a drunken sailor.

No no, you've got it all wrong Bamstanker! Bush saved this country! How can you be against the printing press anyways, you wouldn't have an education without it!
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
I think all these fears are overblown.

You guys are afraid that China, a third world country, is going to bring you down? Seriously?

US debt per capita isn't great, but it is not the worst out there compared to your GDP. The US economy will be fine so long as you guys stay out of any wars that crop up over the next 5-10 years.

China has a messed up communist government. Shame on them for telling the US how to run their economy. Dummies. :thumbsdown:

Just try and imagine how much money we owe to china via T-Bonds etc??
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: SickBeast
I think all these fears are overblown.

You guys are afraid that China, a third world country, is going to bring you down? Seriously?

US debt per capita isn't great, but it is not the worst out there compared to your GDP. The US economy will be fine so long as you guys stay out of any wars that crop up over the next 5-10 years.

China has a messed up communist government. Shame on them for telling the US how to run their economy. Dummies. :thumbsdown:

Just try and imagine how much money we owe to china via T-Bonds etc??

So what? You own something concrete for all that debt, as in infrastructure, housing, military superiority, and a 1st world country with the best quality of life on earth. What does China have to show for it aside from corruption, dispair, lack of freedom, and a terrible quality of life?

I'm pretty sure you guys owe around your GDP in terms of debt. When you think of it, that's one year of what your economy generates. It's not all that bad considering what you have to show for it.
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: SickBeast
I think all these fears are overblown.

You guys are afraid that China, a third world country, is going to bring you down? Seriously?

US debt per capita isn't great, but it is not the worst out there compared to your GDP. The US economy will be fine so long as you guys stay out of any wars that crop up over the next 5-10 years.

China has a messed up communist government. Shame on them for telling the US how to run their economy. Dummies. :thumbsdown:

Just try and imagine how much money we owe to china via T-Bonds etc??

And how much more US have to borrow with the deficit spending for the next decades at the very least.
 

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: SickBeast
I think all these fears are overblown.

You guys are afraid that China, a third world country, is going to bring you down? Seriously?

US debt per capita isn't great, but it is not the worst out there compared to your GDP. The US economy will be fine so long as you guys stay out of any wars that crop up over the next 5-10 years.

China has a messed up communist government. Shame on them for telling the US how to run their economy. Dummies. :thumbsdown:

Just try and imagine how much money we owe to china via T-Bonds etc??

So what? You own something concrete for all that debt, as in infrastructure, housing, military superiority, and a 1st world country with the best quality of life on earth. What does China have to show for it aside from corruption, dispair, lack of freedom, and a terrible quality of life?

I'm pretty sure you guys owe around your GDP in terms of debt. When you think of it, that's one year of what your economy generates. It's not all that bad considering what you have to show for it.

I agree with your general sentiment, but the way our government is handling the situation is less than ideal. Will all this infrastructure be worth a damn if the horribly out of control financial sector be PROPERLY cleaned up?
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: KlokWyze
I agree with your general sentiment, but the way our government is handling the situation is less than ideal. Will all this infrastructure be worth a damn if the horribly out of control financial sector be PROPERLY cleaned up?

I don't see how infrastructure could ever become worthless. Please enlighten me.

If they clean up the financial sector it will be good for everyone.
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Also, who gives a shit what china thinks?

You really are an idiot. Who do you think purchases our debt?

China can't really screw the US over without screwing themselves over. They can ask questions, but if they hinder the US economy then they will never get their money back.
 

theeedude

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China can # S&
When they lent us money in our own currency, there was no guarantee it wouldn't be repaid with newly printed dollars :)
Actually, they are suckers, basically they donated all their hard labor to supply us with cheap junk and finance us buying it, for which we will give them some newly printed green toilet paper.