China wants to bully automakers into giving up their IP

[DesiPower]

Personally I don't find anything wrong with what China is doing. Why should they open up their market completely without getting anything out of it? That would turn their economy into what the US has become: a consumer society that doesn't produce shit. They want a chance for their domestic auto industry to thrive and EV's are a way to get there, good for them! At least their government is looking out for their public's future by ensuring they have a viable domestic competitor and aren't 100% reliant on foreign auto manufacturers. Self sufficiency is key to building a strong nation, just look at WWII Germany as an example. While Swedes, French and Americans are busy scapegoating Muslims and foreigners for their troubles, China is swiftly building up it's economy and military to become a dominant world power and they deserve it.

 

[Hacp]

Personally I don't find anything wrong with what China is doing. Why should they open up their market completely without getting anything out of it? That would turn their economy into what the US has become: a consumer society that doesn't produce shit. They want a chance for their domestic auto industry to thrive and EV's are a way to get there, good for them! At least their government is looking out for their public's future by ensuring they have a viable domestic competitor and aren't 100% reliant on foreign auto manufacturers. Self sufficiency is key to building a strong nation, just look at WWII Germany as an example. While Swedes, French and Americans are busy scapegoating Muslims and foreigners for their troubles, China is swiftly building up it's economy and military to become a dominant world power and they deserve it.

Evs are a joke. Gasoline is the best battery we have currently.

 

[Ns1]

Why should they open up their market completely without getting anything out of it?

taxes? jobs? exports?

 

[DesiPower]

Evs are a joke. Gasoline is the best battery we have currently.

If you stop and think about it, carrying a big a$$ battery in your car is a joke, maybe for a short term it may be a good thing but you cannot replace every freakin car in the planet with it. Fuel cell, we need to master that tech before the oil giants enslave us again as the new demand of electricity will be helping their bottom line as usual, that not change, that more of the same.

 

[DesiPower]

taxes? jobs? exports?

well, the question is why open they market for nothing when they can get anything and everything! :biggrin:

 

[Hacp]

If you stop and think about it, carrying a big a$$ battery in your car is a joke, maybe for a short term it may be a good thing but you cannot replace every freakin car in the planet with it. Fuel cell, we need to master that tech before the oil giants enslave us again as the new demand of electricity will be helping their bottom line as usual, that not change, that more of the same.

We can easily turn energy into gasoline.

 

[Zorba]

See most country in the world look out for what is best for themselves, while we are busy whoring ourselves out.

 

[manimal]

Its time we get tough on their currency manipulation. Time tariff unless trade balances are met. Time to penalize IP theft with greater tariffs on the products that clearly infringe on established IP..

China has been very good at reverse engineering. They are starting to master engineer...

 

[al981]

Personally I don't find anything wrong with what China is doing. Why should they open up their market completely without getting anything out of it? That would turn their economy into what the US has become: a consumer society that doesn't produce shit. They want a chance for their domestic auto industry to thrive and EV's are a way to get there, good for them! At least their government is looking out for their public's future by ensuring they have a viable domestic competitor and aren't 100% reliant on foreign auto manufacturers. Self sufficiency is key to building a strong nation, just look at WWII Germany as an example. While Swedes, French and Americans are busy scapegoating Muslims and foreigners for their troubles, China is swiftly building up it's economy and military to become a dominant world power and they deserve it.

heh. another "china is a bully", and crying ensues thread by the op. exactly. why should china allow the companies to profit off their billion+ population without good benefits?

speaking of IP theft and bullying, american companies have been screwing each other for ages with no shame, and the justice system encourages such bullying. one case out of many: see rambus.

 

[brencat]

Oh Boo-Fucking hoo,

Always low prices, cheaper is better, Americans are overpaid, we can make more profit by outsourcing, etc., etc.

We sold them our balls so we could save a buck and now they are squeezing, perhaps if we are nice they will be kind enough to give us a reach around while they're screwing us out of the last thing we have, our IP.

Companies will always do what is in their short term financial best interest. Since our execs and politicians have failed us and our experiment in unbridled worldwide free market economics has given our communist enemy China a huge advantage, it is up to us as American consumers to buy American made products whenever/wherever possible.

Start looking at the labels people! When you shop for toys for your kid, stay out of Walmart and instead try one of those specialty toy stores. Yes, the stuff costs more, but you'll be supporting American jobs. We may have lost the battle on TVs and electronics, but the Caddy CTS is a nice alternative to that BMW or Audi. Avoid the Buick Lacrosse and Regal though which are mostly assembled in China. Buying furniture? Ask where its made...some stuff is still made in North Carolina or assembled there. Heck, buy the stuff made in the Phillipines (Thomasville) over the stuff made in China.

It's up to us people. This may sound like a ra-ra waste of time but any chance I can to stick it to those communist motherfvckers devoid of morality, ethics, and human rights, I really do try.

 

[Paratus]

Heh,  If I was a CEO of one of these companies I would so sell out.

I'd start by convincing the investor sheeple that this would increase our business by expanding into new and dynamic markets.  You know talk up the short term gain, minimize the inevitable long term fall. Yadda Yadda Yadda.

If any investors tried to sue to stop it we'd media blitz about "sue happy americans" and tie it up in court.

If the government tried to get involved we'd media blitz about "creeping socialism interfering with business".  Then we'd spend some money on lobbyists.

Upper management would go right along if they know what's good for them.

Only the board of directors could really put a stop to it, but several of them are up for compensation package renegotiation with their own boards......whom I'm a member of.  You know what they say, "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours!"

After holding out for slightly better terms with the Chinese, we'll give up the goods like a drunken prom date.

Once I've gotten my bonuses for the short term stock boost I'll move on with enough time to sell my stock at the inflated price before the inevtable stock crash when the Chinese start kicking our ass using the trade secrets we gave em.

But you know the loss of market share and inevtable layoffs will be the next guys problem.  I'll be at my next job making 30% more.

Maybe in retirement financing.  I think there's a whole lot of equity tied up in the average Americans 401K that we can "leverage".



Damn it feels good to be a gang... Er CEO.

 

[Darwin333]

The only thing China actually invents are better ways to steal; if you consider their economy is the second largest in the world what do they actually invent? Intellectual property has no meaning there. Entire factories exist out in the open to do nothing but sell bastardized versions of products designed elsewhere.

Seems to be working out pretty well for them.

 

[Darwin333]

well, the question is why open they market for nothing when they can get anything and everything! :biggrin:

I dunno, I think the question is why risk losing the jobs when you are just going to steal the technology and give a big FU to IP laws anyway?

 

[DesiPower]

I dunno, I think the question is why risk losing the jobs when you are just going to steal the technology and give a big FU to IP laws anyway?

Risk jobs? you cannot be serious, they have the westerners by the balls, job are not going anywhere, and why waste resources reverse-engineering and risk PR when you can bully them into handing them over to you anyways

 

[Zebo]

Personally I don't find anything wrong with what China is doing. Why should they open up their market completely without getting anything out of it? That would turn their economy into what the US has become: a consumer society that doesn't produce shit. They want a chance for their domestic auto industry to thrive and EV's are a way to get there, good for them! At least their government is looking out for their public's future by ensuring they have a viable domestic competitor and aren't 100% reliant on foreign auto manufacturers. Self sufficiency is key to building a strong nation, just look at WWII Germany as an example. While Swedes, French and Americans are busy scapegoating Muslims and foreigners for their troubles, China is swiftly building up it's economy and military to become a dominant world power and they deserve it.

China does not scapegoat Muslims? No I guess not they just massacre millions of UYGHUR Muslims and cleanse them with importation of Han and continue to this day. The only reason none of these paramilitary terrorist groups never fuck with China is their utter brutality in retaliation.

China will remain a backwater copier with most impoverished so long as they steal and don't empower people. Why create anything new if your idea's are just copied? You don't. Why strive when owner of factory gets 99% of profit? You don't you do absolute minimum to eat.

 

[Zebo]

Companies will always do what is in their short term financial best interest. Since our execs and politicians have failed us and our experiment in unbridled worldwide free market economics has given our communist enemy China a huge advantage, it is up to us as American consumers to buy American made products whenever/wherever possible.

Start looking at the labels people! When you shop for toys for your kid, stay out of Walmart and instead try one of those specialty toy stores. Yes, the stuff costs more, but you'll be supporting American jobs. We may have lost the battle on TVs and electronics, but the Caddy CTS is a nice alternative to that BMW or Audi. Avoid the Buick Lacrosse and Regal though which are mostly assembled in China. Buying furniture? Ask where its made...some stuff is still made in North Carolina or assembled there. Heck, buy the stuff made in the Phillipines (Thomasville) over the stuff made in China.

It's up to us people. This may sound like a ra-ra waste of time but any chance I can to stick it to those communist motherfvckers devoid of morality, ethics, and human rights, I really do try.

This. They have nothing we don't give them of free will.

 

[5150Joker]

China does not scapegoat Muslims? No I guess not they just massacre millions of UYGHUR Muslims and cleanse them with importation of Han and continue to this day. The only reason none of these paramilitary terrorist groups never fuck with China is their utter brutality in retaliation.

China will remain a backwater copier with most impoverished so long as they steal and don't empower people. Why create anything new if your idea's are just copied? You don't. Why strive when owner of factory gets 99% of profit? You don't you do absolute minimum to eat.

Uyghur's have been pushing for an independent state within China, I can see why there would be a reactionary move against it. It's akin to the South wanting independence again. China is very protective of it's territory just like any other country.

It takes time to empower a billion people. Though their wealth is lopsided and focused in urban areas, it will eventually spread out, these things don't happen overnight. The US didn't become a world power overnight, during it's industrial stage children were used as what would be described today as slave labor--the same things we criticize China for today. Japan and Korea built their economy's on copying as well and now they're making their own indigenous products. Why reinvent the wheel constantly?