China versus Japan: The Fishing Boat

[Pulsar]

I don't know if China will become aggressive in terms of acquiring land by invading them, I sure hope they don't. I know they have been aggressive in trying to secure resources in Africa (peacefully, but bent to their favor of course).

A better explanation is: I have no answer to your question. We barely got out of Iraq and we are still bogged down in Afghanistan. What do you suggest we do? Send in the 7th Fleet to provoke even more confrontation over a bunch of islands that no one lives on? Can the US *afford* to extend protection to all of the smaller nations you just mentioned?

I'm afraid the world political balance will inevitably get to the point where China can do whatever it wants (to a degree) and nobody can really stop them because other people have too much vested interest in China. Bush invaded Iraq and nobody stopped us either, and I guess that's what superpowers do.

Analogy fail. No one messed with us in Iraq because frankly no one cared.

The world political balance is already to that point. Japan's economy is based on rare earth metals. Li-On batteries, and so on. They'll collapse without the raw materials. Likewise, we depend on their manufacturing ability. They just haven't used the threat on us like they are on Japan.

If Japan caves in this instance, it essentially sends up the white flag of surrender in ANY dispute with China. After all, China can just shut down the flow of raw materials to Japan and devastate them. I remember someone else doing that once upon a time. Rather than capitulate, Japan went to war.

 

[alphatarget1]

After all, China can just shut down the flow of raw materials to Japan and devastate them. I remember someone else doing that once upon a time. Rather than capitulate, Japan went to war.

The raw material belongs to Chinese corporations as far as I'm concerned. They can do whatever the hell they want with it, including not trading with Japan. The sovereignty of the island are in dispute as far as I am concerned. China uses their raw materials as leverage and you know what? Tough luck for Japan.

I guess you guys are suggesting that Japan scrap their pacifist constitution and start a military to invade places to get materials they need for their economy?

Maybe they should turn the islands over to UN "receivership" or something, so nobody gets it.

 

[Schadenfroh]

This should make the U.S. more popular with the average Japanese Citizen.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6951V820101006

A senior U.S. official praised Japan's handling of a dispute with China that has slashed the prime minister's voter support

I wish our policy makers would have stayed quiet, as it seems like the way the Japanese politicians handled it was NOT popular with the Japanese people. Japan is a crucial friend of the U.S. and instead of backing unpopular decisions by their leadership, we should just sell them even more advanced military hardware (like export versions of the F22, advanced warships, etc.), not get in their way if they decide to drop the pacifist clauses from their constitution, close military bases if they stop paying for them or really want them to go, etc.

 

[Narmer]

This should make the U.S. more popular with the average Japanese Citizen.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6951V820101006



I wish our policy makers would have stayed quiet, as it seems like the way the Japanese politicians handled it was NOT popular with the Japanese people. Japan is a crucial friend of the U.S. and instead of backing unpopular decisions by their leadership, we should just sell them even more advanced military hardware (like export versions of the F22, advanced warships, etc.), not get in their way if they decide to drop the pacifist clauses from their constitution, close military bases if they stop paying for them or really want them to go, etc.

Unpopular or not what he said was true and right. What the government did was correct, imho. The people will come to see that. However, it may mean a more conservative government going forward. In either case, America wins (more weapons contracts until the Japanese start making their own).

 

[Schadenfroh]

Looks like the rage is far from over:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69F0PH20101016

protesters marched through Tokyo on Saturday to demonstrate against what they called China's invasion of disputed islands that both countries claim.

This was the second major anti-China rally in Japan since ties between Asia's top economies worsened last month when Japan detained a Chinese trawler captain whose boat collided with Japanese patrol ships near the disputed islands -- called Senkaku in Japan and Diayu in China.

They marched through the busy Roppongi district to the Chinese Embassy, holding up Japanese flags and shouting slogans.

Critics charged that Kan caved in to pressure from Beijing to release the captain of the fishing trawler.

Seems to be a rather peaceful protest, no flag burnings, riots, etc.

 

[Svnla]

...... Japan is a crucial friend of the U.S.....

And so are S. Korea, Taiwain, Singapore, et al plus potential new friends such as Indonesia, Vietnam, Phillippines, Malaysia, Thailand, ASEAN countries, etc.

That's why US can't allow China to take the whole East Sea/S. China Sea as their own lake. That sea area has one of the busiest shipping lane for world commerce.

 

[nyker96]

Chinese Fishing Boat: Must attack the fishes ...
Japanes Patrol: Must attack the fishing boat ....

 

[0roo0roo]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...-as-tensions-rise-in-troubled-china-seas?lite

its on..again

 

[JEDIYoda]

america has yet to ever touch another country that has nukes.

so much for any real bite. we'll lie to our own citizens (wmds and see sig) and hit countries with militaries stuck in the 70's to steal their oil, though

america won't even defend a democracy like taiwan anymore. you can sure as hell bet money they won't defend japan either.

You know that how????

 

[Dari]

Japan should just start sinking these hostile ships. No fuss, no muss. There are over 1.3b Chinese. A few won't be missed.