China to build its own airplane to compete with Boeing and Airbus

[J0hnny]

Would you be willing to fly in one of the first new planes they build?

Personally, I will, but only because I know some of the existing low-cost airlines use planes from the 70's!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070319/ts...paceaviationmanufacturing_070319063514

 

[Sphexi]

Why not? When the Chinese government sets out to do something, they don't do it half-assed. They're doing this to show up all of these big corporations who can't seem to get it right (or cheap), they'll sell these things at a loss to prove their point.

 

[skace]

China also has the best justification for these.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Why not? When the Chinese government sets out to do something, they don't do it half-assed. They're doing this to show up all of these big corporations who can't seem to get it right (or cheap), they'll sell these things at a loss to prove their point.

Like the Jiangling Landwind X6 :thumbsup:


Regarding planes from the 70s. Northwest still has a large number of DC-9s built in that era flying. They have not had a fatal even since 1990, and that was a ground collision. 1987 was the last airframe lost during flight.

 

[Passions]

<Nelson> HA HA!! </Nelson>

 

[Geocentricity]

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Why not? When the Chinese government sets out to do something, they don't do it half-assed. They're doing this to show up all of these big corporations who can't seem to get it right (or cheap), they'll sell these things at a loss to prove their point.

:thumbsup:

NO FKN JOKE! The gov't said they wouldn't take democratic/revolutionary demonstrations and they plowed tanks over them.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Why not? When the Chinese government sets out to do something, they don't do it half-assed. They're doing this to show up all of these big corporations who can't seem to get it right (or cheap), they'll sell these things at a loss to prove their point.

Yeah, like supressing freedom of speach, running over people with tanks, writing 50% bad loans and not writing them off the books, having a full capitalistic economy not controlled by a communist dictatorship, killing babies because they exceed 1 per couple, creating gender imbalances, and killing Falon Gong people through torture and live human transplants that are sold on the black market?

Yup, China's government does an awesome job at going 100% on whatever they do.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Why not? When the Chinese government sets out to do something, they don't do it half-assed. They're doing this to show up all of these big corporations who can't seem to get it right (or cheap), they'll sell these things at a loss to prove their point.

Yeah, like supressing freedom of speach, running over people with tanks, writing 50% bad loans and not writing them off the books, having a full capitalistic economy not controlled by a communist dictatorship, killing babies because they exceed 1 per couple, creating gender imbalances, and killing Falon Gong people through torture and live human transplants that are sold on the black market?

Yup, China's government does an awesome job at going 100% on whatever they do.

The gender imbalance is not the government's fault, that is the fault of the people that think a boy is more desirable as he has a future where as a girl will just be a wife.

As far as the plane goes, I will not fly one one that is more than 60 days old since most stuff made in china only lasts that long before it starts falling apart. What this will do is force Boeing and Airbus to reign in costs and streamline their processes to make them more viable.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Why not? When the Chinese government sets out to do something, they don't do it half-assed. They're doing this to show up all of these big corporations who can't seem to get it right (or cheap), they'll sell these things at a loss to prove their point.

Yeah, like supressing freedom of speach, running over people with tanks, writing 50% bad loans and not writing them off the books, having a full capitalistic economy not controlled by a communist dictatorship, killing babies because they exceed 1 per couple, creating gender imbalances, and killing Falon Gong people through torture and live human transplants that are sold on the black market?

Yup, China's government does an awesome job at going 100% on whatever they do.

The gender imbalance is not the government's fault, that is the fault of the people that think a boy is more desirable as he has a future where as a girl will just be a wife.

As far as the plane goes, I will not fly one one that is more than 60 days old since most stuff made in china only lasts that long before it starts falling apart. What this will do is force Boeing and Airbus to reign in costs and streamline their processes to make them more viable.

A causes B, therefore A, being the root cause, is at fault. Without A there would be no B.

It's like saying a person who died from lung cancer died because he had lung cancer, but not even mentioning that he smoked since he was 10. Was it lung cancer that killed him or the cigarettes that caused the lung cancer that killed him?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Why not? When the Chinese government sets out to do something, they don't do it half-assed. They're doing this to show up all of these big corporations who can't seem to get it right (or cheap), they'll sell these things at a loss to prove their point.

yea ok....

since the chinese can not come up with any original ideas they will just stamp out a version that is pretty much a carbon copy of a Boeing in appearence. as far as safety the chinese version wont even come close.

 

[uhohs]

nothx

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: J0hnny
Would you be willing to fly in one of the first new planes they build?

Personally, I will, but only because I know some of the existing low-cost airlines use planes from the 70's!

And the air force still uses planes from the 50's. Planes are not like cars. If they receive proper maintainance they can last forever. Anything that's still in service from the 70s is still in service for a reason. The design works. It's been time-tested and proven to be reliable. As for the Chinese, I doubt they have the ability to engineer a truly modern jumbo jet. They will almost certainly be basing whatever they build off an older Russian design. I wouldn't fly in one if you gave me a parachute.

 

[yllus]

Russian designs are bad enough. Ripoff Chinese copies of Russian designs should be interesting. And by interesting, I mean "horribly catastrophic". Not that half of the crashes will ever get reported.

 

[iversonyin]

Look around your desk and your home...most of the stuffs you own are made in China.

But airplane....I don't know. I'll wait until someone test them out

 

[j00fek]

seems fine to me

 

[J0hnny]

Originally posted by: yllus
Russian designs are bad enough. Ripoff Chinese copies of Russian designs should be interesting. And by interesting, I mean "horribly catastrophic". Not that half of the crashes will ever get reported.

Aren't Russian designs known for their ruggedness and durability? Like the ability to fly through a hail storm with only 1 engine functioning with half a wing torn off all while sipping the fumes left from a fuel leak?

 

[Indolent]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Why not? When the Chinese government sets out to do something, they don't do it half-assed. They're doing this to show up all of these big corporations who can't seem to get it right (or cheap), they'll sell these things at a loss to prove their point.

yea ok....

since the chinese can not come up with any original ideas they will just stamp out a version that is pretty much a carbon copy of a Boeing in appearence. as far as safety the chinese version wont even come close.

That was my thought also. It's just going to be a copy of a boeing or airbus plane. Not just in appearance, everything will be a copy. That's all they know how to do.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: J0hnny
Would you be willing to fly in one of the first new planes they build?

Personally, I will, but only because I know some of the existing low-cost airlines use planes from the 70's!

And the air force still uses planes from the 50's. Planes are not like cars. If they receive proper maintainance they can last forever. Anything that's still in service from the 70s is still in service for a reason. The design works. It's been time-tested and proven to be reliable. As for the Chinese, I doubt they have the ability to engineer a truly modern jumbo jet. They will almost certainly be basing whatever they build off an older Russian design. I wouldn't fly in one if you gave me a parachute.

Yes, there's a huge learning curve in building something as complex and fragile as a large modern jet. I'd rather not be on the plane where they discover something Boeing learned in the 50s.

 

[Indolent]

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Look around your desk and your home...most of the stuffs you own are made in China.

But airplane....I don't know. I'll wait until someone test them out

And I bet most of that stuff was either designed in America or Europe, or based off of an American or European design.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Why not? When the Chinese government sets out to do something, they don't do it half-assed. They're doing this to show up all of these big corporations who can't seem to get it right (or cheap), they'll sell these things at a loss to prove their point.

Might want to brush up on how the first few runs of Chinese cars faired in DOT safety crashes.

I wouldnt want to live next to the damn airport that had Chinese made planes flyin in and out of it!

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: J0hnny

Originally posted by: yllus
Russian designs are bad enough. Ripoff Chinese copies of Russian designs should be interesting. And by interesting, I mean "horribly catastrophic". Not that half of the crashes will ever get reported.

Aren't Russian designs known for their ruggedness and durability? Like the ability to fly through a hail storm with only 1 engine functioning with half a wing torn off all while sipping the fumes left from a fuel leak?

I'll admit that I'm going off of anecdotal evidence, but it sure as hell doesn't seem that way. There's a high degree of involvement in poor maintainence and pilot error that makes things pretty murky.

Russians examine air crash data

Officials in Moscow have begun examining the flight data recorders of a passenger plane which crashed in central Russia, killing six.

The Tu-134 jet broke up while landing in thick fog in the city of Samara, some 900km (550 miles) south-east of Moscow, on Saturday.

Tu-134s are widely used in Russia and other former Soviet republics.

The last major crash of a Russian airliner was last August, when a Tu-154 crashed in Ukraine, killing all 170 people aboard.

Investigators later concluded that pilot error was to blame.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

BTW, who is going to really be able to physically fit on these other than Chinese people? The current Boeings are cramped enough, but take a plane that is designed with Chinese people in mind and us "westerners will not fit in these.

 

[Mallow]

No, maybe if the japaneses build one

 

[theeedude]

Not a Chinaman's chance I am getting on that plane.

 

[Kelemvor]

Sure after a few years of them being in service and proving themselves.