China state media warns of “inevitable” war with the US

[Jhhnn]

That's a pretty damn big gun.

Well, yeh, but they were unarmed according to Svnla.

 

[SlickSnake]

I figured it set a really bad precedent for the future to give China back Hong Kong to abuse and misuse in every way imaginable. And Martin Lee had something interesting to say about the China handover in 1998, and he should know a thing or 2 about China.

The real test for Hong Kong will come when something goes wrong in China. The history of China is like a pendulum. When it swings to the right, things improve in terms of freedoms and the economy also improves. Then suddenly it swings violently to the left, destroying most of those achievements on the way. History tells us that it swings to the left once every 10 years. The last time it did that was June 1989. When it happens again, we must watch carefully to see whether Hong Kong also swings to the left along with it.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...g-kong-democratic-party-chinese-rule-freedoms

The problem as I see it, is China started leaning violently to the hard left, about the same time as they got back Hong Kong. But at the time, Martin Lee didn't see just how violently left China would lean, or for how long.

 

[Brainonska511]

Empires love playing Empire, and China is now drawing lines on maps like big-boy Empires.

So, China has a line drawn on open ocean.

Do you oppose the lines drawn by the US on world maps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Central_Command

I never claimed the lines were the same.

I asked if you are OK with the US drawing lines on maps like China does.

Because just drawing a line and claiming territory doesn't mean anything until you actually start enforcing those lines.

The US has a lot more presence in any one of those CENTCOM locations than China has right off of its own coastline.

You didn't directly claim they were the same, but you implied that they are the same. In one case, we have China claiming sovereignty over a large stretch of the South China Sea with dubious justification and overlapping claims from neighboring countries. On top of this, China is trying to enforce their claim by dredging to make islands for military outposts in the South China Sea.

In the other map which you posted, we simply have a view of how US military command is broken down across the world. We're not claiming sovereignty to those areas. Your map doesn't even suggest how we might be protecting our economic interests and influencing different regions with our military presence.

Your map and the China map posted early are apples and oranges.

 

[FrankRamiro]

China has been the #1 Communist government for decades now.

Maybe you should pay more attention.

Yes sure but they became much stronger with the help of the USA Government,


and you know why ! because Americans are afraid of Chinese,North Koreans,Iran,

but America was not afraid of Hussein because he was weak and destroyed Irac,and left a mess,one million times worse then Hussein was in power,he controlled that area,and now it's a million times worse.

 

[DCal430]

Huh a huge difference is China has been building oil platforms and seizing resources from this areas.

 

[calyco]

Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter addressed China’s recent operations in the Pacific — and warnings to the United States
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...to-china-u-s-military-wont-change-operations/

 

[werepossum]

Empires love playing Empire, and China is now drawing lines on maps like big-boy Empires.

So, China has a line drawn on open ocean.

Do you oppose the lines drawn by the US on world maps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Central_Command

Wow. When I said you didn't need to be stupid in every thread, I obviously underestimated your ability to square the stupid. Pray continue with your most amusing master plan. I believe you were at "lines is lines" . . .

 

[nickqt]

Wow. When I said you didn't need to be stupid in every thread, I obviously underestimated your ability to square the stupid. Pray continue with your most amusing master plan. I believe you were at "lines is lines" . . .

Shorter you almost every time you decide to type something:

Hurr durr, name calling, derp, herp a derp.

Empires draw lines on maps.

Here's a nice thread where we get to scream and cry about it, as if drawing a line on a map means a damn thing until action is taken on it.

And all you can do is stand aside and call me names. Again.

You're so smart and clever. Such a brilliant mind, calling me names. Yet again.

Congrats, hotshot.

 

[DCal430]

Shorter you almost every time you decide to type something:

Hurr durr, name calling, derp, herp a derp.

Empires draw lines on maps.

Here's a nice thread where we get to scream and cry about it, as if drawing a line on a map means a damn thing until action is taken on it.

And all you can do is stand aside and call me names. Again.

You're so smart and clever. Such a brilliant mind, calling me names. Yet again.

Congrats, hotshot.

Get it through your stupid head. China isn't just drawing lines on a map. They have attacked other vesels and have actively attempted to seize resources from these areas.

 

[bshole]

I wonder how many neo-cons are creaming their pants at the thought of a possible conflict with China. Finally a war where we can have real American casualties! Yipppeee-kI-yay!!!

 

[rudeguy]

I wonder how many neo-cons are creaming their pants at the thought of a possible conflict with China. Finally a war where we can have real American casualties! Yipppeee-kI-yay!!!

exactly how many neo-cons have you heard supporting a war with China?

 

[cabri]

I wonder how many neo-cons are creaming their pants at the thought of a possible conflict with China. Finally a war where we can have real American casualties! Yipppeee-kI-yay!!!

exactly how many neo-cons have you heard supporting a war with China?

Ignore the troll :|

 

[bshole]

exactly how many neo-cons have you heard supporting a war with China?

Well they support actions which raise tensions with China. In general I have never heard of a neo-con not supporting war.

Let’s start with the neocons. The latest salvo from that side is a report from the neoconservative Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD), a Washington think tank and advocacy group that is heavily focused on Iran, the Middle East, and the “war on terrorism.” In a report issued September 15, the FDD helpfully provides the federal government with a list of ten Chinese companies that do energy business with Iran, and it calls on the White House to “punish” China and “blacklist” the ten firms. The intent is to force China to halt its oil and gas trade with Iran. Among the companies named by FDD are China’s very biggest state-owned entities, including the Chinese National Offshore Oil Company (CNOOC) and the China National Petroleum Company (CNPC).

The companies, FDD warns ominously, “have invested in Iran’s oil and natural gas sectors, provided Iran with key energy equipment, technology and services, supplied Iran with refined petroleum, and purchased Iranian petroleum products.” None of that, of course, violates international law, nor does it violate the UN sanctions on Iran, which were supported by China. But the FDD wants nothing less than the total economic isolation of Iran, and it blames China for undermining the unilateral sanctions that the United States seeks to implement against Iran. No rational observer would see anything wrong in China trying to meet its energy needs by dealing with a major world producer such as Iran.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/154804/neocons-afl-cio-both-blast-china-want-obama-act

 

[bshole]

Why should America care about the South China Sea anyways. It is China's balliwick. Let them have it. Problem solved. Definitely not worth creating an international crisis over.

 

[DCal430]

Why should America care about the South China Sea anyways. It is China's balliwick. Let them have it. Problem solved. Definitely not worth creating an international crisis over.

We have allies that China is threatening.

 

[bshole]

We have allies that China is threatening.

WHO and HOW? These are UNINHABITED islands for christ's sake.

 

[cabri]

Why should America care about the South China Sea anyways. It is China's balliwick. Let them have it. Problem solved. Definitely not worth creating an international crisis over.

WHO and HOW? These are UNINHABITED islands for christ's sake.

There is freedom of the seas.
$3T of goods to the USA and allies on that side of the Pacific pass through that area.
WWII with Japan was triggered by the interruption of goods from that area going to Japan.

What will stop China from stopping/controlling/tariffs on shipping going through the area?

they are already claiming that area as their territory.

Welcome to appeasement - it always solves the issues with respect to an aggressor nation - observe what the Chinese Navy is doing to Viet and Filipino fishing vessels

 

[Svnla]

Here's a nice thread where we get to scream and cry about it, as if drawing a line on a map means a damn thing until action is taken on it.

They (china/chinese) ARE TAKING action on it ALREADY.

See the link I posted above about how china is unilatery banning fishinng in the whole area for others EXCEPT chinese. They are acting as they own the WHOLE sea.

In May 2014, china sent a huge oil platform deep inside Vietnam 200 miles EEZ (per international rule) and only withdrew after massive protest from Vietnam.

Don't let me start with how china shot and killed others in the area and took over their islands (Paracel in 1974, parts of Spartlys in 1988) and bullied Philippines out of the Scaborough Shoal recently.

Commie china is behaving just like Nazi Germany before WWII, taking the little guys first before the next bigger one(s).

Why should America care about the South China Sea anyways. It is China's balliwick. Let them have it. Problem solved. Definitely not worth creating an international crisis over.

Read my posts (#20 and #36) above and see for yourself how the US can not let china takes control the whole sea. Remember how appeasement worked before WWII to make Nazi Germany happy? "Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it" - George S.

 

[Brian Stirling]

exactly how many neo-cons have you heard supporting a war with China?

NEOCONS are not spoiling for war with China but they have had China on the minds since the mid 90's. The position papers the PNAC were pumping out included two main topics: Iraq and China.


Brian

 

[rudeguy]

Well they support actions which raise tensions with China. In general I have never heard of a neo-con not supporting war.




http://www.thenation.com/blog/154804/neocons-afl-cio-both-blast-china-want-obama-act

Could you please answer my question:

How many neo-cons have you heard supporting a war with China?

 

[Brian Stirling]

Well if you think the aggressive Chinese activities are bad and endanger world commerce and peace we have a few people here the the USA we can thank for this. China has been hugely strengthened by US and western multinationals that sought to exploit cheap labor and they've been aided by politicians, bought and paid for, in both parties.


Brian

 

[DCal430]

WHO and HOW? These are UNINHABITED islands for christ's sake.

They have attacked fishing boats near the islands. You really need to educate yourself before you speak. They have built oil platforms right next to the islands.

 

[ctbaars]

So. What do we do about it?
I get that bshole says, "nothing".
What other options are there other than blathering?

 

[bshole]

So. What do we do about it?
I get that bshole says, "nothing".
What other options are there other than blathering?

I am quite predictable aren't I? Stay the fuck out.

I will admit that I don't know dick about the situation in the China Sea. I do know that China is basically untouchable. If we do engage, the consequences could be horrible. I suppose it boils down probabilities. What are the chances of intervention helping more than hurting the US and its allies. Our record is not all that impeccable in that regard.

 

[Jhhnn]

So. What do we do about it?
I get that bshole says, "nothing".
What other options are there other than blathering?

The blathering serves to increase tensions & promote arms sales, also serves internal political purposes in Vietnam, China & the US. Everybody gets a boogeyman to target.

It's in everybody's interests other than maybe China's to de-escalate, get what they can out of a deal. That's reality, because if push comes to shove China can simply overpower opposing naval forces & take the whole thing. It's not like the US would try to stop them because we have no direct interest, not to mention that China & America's financial elite are best buddies.