China state media warns of “inevitable” war with the US

[FrankRamiro]

China will ramp up there offensive activities but only a little hear and a little there -- they do not want the US and the west to slow down the outsourcing of manufacturing to them. At this point China is the #2 economy and they will keep there powder dry until they are the #1 economy which could come within 10 years. Once they've become the #1 economy and then build up there military to be the #1 military power then they will no longer feel much need for restraint.

There activities in the Spratly Islands is typical of the types of little things they are doing. Once built out the Spratly Islands will form a base of operations of both naval and air power in the South China Sea to counter our base in the Philippines.


Brian

Brian bro;you said it all,and China will be the Communist # 1 in the world and they will thank American Governments for that, no doubt about that,because USA became so weak and broke, that they now kiss the Chinese asses ,and now USA is so much in debt to the Chinese that they can't back down from outsourcing jobs and importing Chinese crap and have to close their eyes to Chinese communist politics.that they so much censored in the past.

 

[Darwin333]

Let's show them. Let's claim the American Ocean as ours! Oh wait...the Gulf of America! Shit...Lake America! Well...what...hmmm....

Let's bomb the canada!

Nah, we just need to rename it. The Gulf of America and the American Sea (formally the Caribbean) and bam, we get to take it all over. We even get Cuba!

 

[Humpy]

India should learn from China and claim all of the Indian Ocean.

No way! They'll just poop in it.

Anyway I think it's actually the American Indian Ocean and already belongs to us.

 

[Svnla]

I can understand their confusion. It is called the South China Sea after all. We should just rename it as the Great Western Sea of Freedom. Problem solved.

It really is South of china Sea, as the Sea in the South of china.

Imagine Iran pulls a stunt like that at Persian Gulf, claims most of the area because of "ancient history" or because of the name. Or Japan because Sea of Japan.

 

[Brainonska511]

Empires love playing Empire, and China is now drawing lines on maps like big-boy Empires.

So, China has a line drawn on open ocean.

Do you oppose the lines drawn by the US on world maps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Central_Command

That map is hardly the same as the map showing how China is claiming the entirety of the South China Sea belongs to it. Your linked map merely shows how US military command is split between different regions of the world.

 

[chucky2]

Empires love playing Empire, and China is now drawing lines on maps like big-boy Empires.

So, China has a line drawn on open ocean.

Do you oppose the lines drawn by the US on world maps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Central_Command

W.T.F.

 

[DCal430]

Empires love playing Empire, and China is now drawing lines on maps like big-boy Empires.

So, China has a line drawn on open ocean.

Do you oppose the lines drawn by the US on world maps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Central_Command

WTF are you stupid. That map is nothing like the lines China is drawing. China is basically claiming that water off the beaches of Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, and Indonesia belong to China.

 

[MongGrel]

Brian bro;you said it all,and China will be the Communist # 1 in the world and they will thank American Governments for that, no doubt about that,because USA became so weak and broke, that they now kiss the Chinese asses ,and now USA is so much in debt to the Chinese that they can't back down from outsourcing jobs and importing Chinese crap and have to close their eyes to Chinese communist politics.that they so much censored in the past.

China has been the #1 Communist government for decades now.

Maybe you should pay more attention.

 

[nickqt]

WTF are you stupid. That map is nothing like the lines China is drawing. China is basically claiming that water off the beaches of Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, and Indonesia belong to China.

That map is hardly the same as the map showing how China is claiming the entirety of the South China Sea belongs to it. Your linked map merely shows how US military command is split between different regions of the world.

W.T.F.

I never claimed the lines were the same.

I asked if you are OK with the US drawing lines on maps like China does.

Because just drawing a line and claiming territory doesn't mean anything until you actually start enforcing those lines.

The US has a lot more presence in any one of those CENTCOM locations than China has right off of its own coastline.

 

[Karl Agathon]

Perhaps, but payments will begin again if they win.


The fact that China is putting out this propaganda is unsettling.

How will they win? if it goes nuclear, well there will be no real winner. if they start sinking USN carriers in the SCS, then they will definitely not force the US to start paying. No way they can force anything.

China starts a war, the US should (and I assume it would) stop all debt payments to Red China.

Red China is well on its way to becoming the near equivalent to the next Nazi Germany. it will take between three to five decades, but it will happen.

 

[Svnla]

I never claimed the lines were the same.

I asked if you are OK with the US drawing lines on maps like China does.

Because just drawing a line and claiming territory doesn't mean anything until you actually start enforcing those lines.

The US has a lot more presence in any one of those CENTCOM locations than China has right off of its own coastline.

Read post #20 and read the link I posted. Here is another one =
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/06/vietnam-china-captured-fishermen

China on Jan. 1 established fishing rules requiring foreign vessels to seek permission before entering waters off its southern coast. The U.S. and Philippines said the rules threaten stability in the South China Sea.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...vy-arrests-vietnam-fishermen-in-disputed-seas

US is not perfect but do you see the US did anything like china did?

You sure are ignorant and clueless.

 

[nickqt]

Read post #20 and read the link I posted. Here is another one =
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/06/vietnam-china-captured-fishermen

US is not perfect but do you see the US did anything like china did?

You sure are ignorant and clueless.

You sure are good at ignoring what I said, assuming I said something else, and then name calling.

Did you read the article you linked to? You realize that is from 4.5 years ago, right?

Going by what the article quoted by OP says, China is not declaring the entire South China Sea to be their territory. Are they defending lines that they draw? No?

In the article itself and a link to here: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2015-05/26/content_20820125.htm

China has provided a paper which states their military intentions. And while you can say it's all just lies and obfuscation, there it is. They even argue that they will actively provide "open seas protection", which the US also claims to do in multiple parts of the world.

Gee, sounds a bit like CENTCOMs mission in multiple areas of the planet.

 

[Svnla]

You sure are good at ignoring what I said, assuming I said something else, and then name calling.

Did you read the article you linked to? You realize that is from 4.5 years ago, right?

Going by what the article quoted by OP says, China is not declaring the entire South China Sea to be their territory.

So, unless you have a link that shows China making territorial claims over the entire South China Sea, your link is beyond irrelevant, and your claim unsubstantiated.

I have read the link that OP gave. No where does it say that China is claiming the South China Sea. In the article itself and a link to here: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2015-05/26/content_20820125.htm

China has provided a paper which states their military intentions. And while you can say it's all just lies and obfuscation, they do not claim the South China Sea as their territory. They even argue that they will actively provide "open seas protection", which the US also claims to do in multiple parts of the world.

Gee, sounds a bit like CENTCOMs mission in multiple areas of the planet.

The article from Bloomberg that I cited above was in July of 2014, 10 -11 months ago or so.

Article from BBC, about 1 month ago or so, see the freaking huge red line = http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-13748349

China claims by far the largest portion of territory - an area defined by the "nine-dash line" which stretches hundreds of miles south and east from its most southerly province of Hainan.

Beijing says its right to the area goes back centuries to when the Paracel and Spratly island chains were regarded as integral parts of the Chinese nation, and in 1947 it issued a map detailing its claims. It showed the two island groups falling entirely within its territory.

Your move. Oh, LOL @ you for citing chinadaily link. Might as well cite peopledaily, xinhua, and other mouthpieces for commie china.

 

[nickqt]

Article from BBC, about 1 month ago or so, see the freaking huge red line = http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-13748349



Your move.

My original post stands.

Empires draw lines. That's pretty much what they do. I don't support China drawing a red line and claiming territory that they don't have a right to. I feel the same with the US.

My post was an attempt to get people to drop the China boogie-boogie and think about whether China is doing anything totally without precedent of what Empires do.

Of course, jingoism being what it is, that gets overlooked. Instead, I'm blamin' me some of dat dere 'Murrica first, amirite?!? I'm just so stupid to ask someone to think about what the US does and what China does in relation, because jingoism.

 

[Svnla]

My original post stands.

Empires draw lines. That's pretty much what they do. I don't support China drawing a red line and claiming territory that they don't have a right to. I feel the same with the US.

My post was an attempt to get people to drop the China boogie-boogie and think about whether China is doing anything totally without precedent of what Empires do.

Of course, jingoism being what it is, that gets overlooked. Instead, I'm blamin' me some of dat dere 'Murrica first, amirite?!? I'm just so stupid to ask someone to think about what the US does and what China does in relation, because jingoism.

We are living in the 21st century, we do not live in the 15th century of colonialism anymore. We can not accept and tolerate anyone to bully smaller nations and take over their territories, either land or sea or air. That's how WWII started IIRC.

As I said, US is NOT perfect by any mean but I do not see the US is doing anything as china is doing in Caribbean, Gulf of Mexico, or Canada.

As I said previously, imagine Iran does what china does in Persian Gulf, claims 90% of the area as its own property, no one would put up with that.

 

[nickqt]

We are living in the 21st century, we do not live in the 15th century of colonialism) anymore. We can not accept and tolerate anyone to bully smaller nations and take over their territories, either land or sea or air.

As I said, US is NOT perfect by any mean but I do not see the US is doing anything as china is doing in Caribbean, Gulf of Mexico, or Canada.

As I said previously, imagine Iran does what china does in Persian Gulf, claims 90% of the area as its own property.

I agree, but again, until they start actively defending that territory, it's just a line drawn on a map.

 

[Jhhnn]

Do you honestly think China should own the entirety of the waters between them and other nations?
The absurdity of your position makes it pretty clear... when did you become a lapdog for Russia and China?

Do you honestly think that switching from projection onto the Chinese to putting projection on me isn't just more projection?

What we find with other island possessions, like Guam & Tahiti, is that territorial waters don't extend back to the mother country, you know?

That's fairly obvious to anybody not pushing & defending a fear based agenda.

 

[Jhhnn]

We are living in the 21st century, we do not live in the 15th century of colonialism anymore. We can not accept and tolerate anyone to bully smaller nations and take over their territories, either land or sea or air. That's how WWII started IIRC.

As I said, US is NOT perfect by any mean but I do not see the US is doing anything as china is doing in Caribbean, Gulf of Mexico, or Canada.

As I said previously, imagine Iran does what china does in Persian Gulf, claims 90% of the area as its own property, no one would put up with that.

Kee-rist. If you went to the least trouble to understand what you're talking about, you'd know that the Chinese claimed the Spratlys as far back as the 12th century & that they've also been claimed by Vietnam, Brunei, the Philippines & others as well. None of them have greater rights than the others unless they develop their claim, actually inhabit the territory.

 

[Svnla]

Kee-rist. If you went to the least trouble to understand what you're talking about, you'd know that the Chinese claimed the Spratlys as far back as the 12th century & that they've also been claimed by Vietnam, Brunei, the Philippines & others as well. None of them have greater rights than the others unless they develop their claim, actually inhabit the territory.

Oh, really? Then why china would NOT dare to take on the Philippines challenge to bring the matter to the UN/World Court? Because the thief would not want to go to court.

Speaking of inhabit the territory, Vietnam occupied Paracel until china invaded in 1974 while the North and South were in a civil war. I am sure you "forgot" about that little titbit FACT.

As a matter of FACT, china was the ONLY one that shot, killed, and invaded others in the SCS and took over their islands. That's how they control Paracel and parts of Spratlys.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh, really? Then why china would NOT dare to take on the Philippines challenge to bring the matter to the UN/World Court? Because the thief would not want to go to court.

Speaking of inhabit the territory, Vietnam occupied Paracel until china invaded in 1974 while the North and South were in a civil war. I am sure you "forgot" about that little titbit FACT.

As a matter of FACT, china was the ONLY one that shot, killed, and invaded others in the SCS and took over their islands. That's how they control Paracel and parts of Spratlys.

Your perspective is warped & your understanding one of having been propagandized.

Read up-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Paracel_Islands

It was the S Vietnamese who attacked Chinese forces they found in uninhabited & disputed territory. Funny that.

And the US, of course, never disputed the Chinese claim over the Paracels when it was The ROC making the claim, either.

Of course China blocks Philippine efforts to put the issue before the UN, just like we've done probably 100 times wrt Israel. Duh.

 

[Svnla]

Your perspective is warped & your understanding one of having been propagandized.

Read up-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Paracel_Islands

It was the S Vietnamese who attacked Chinese forces they found in uninhabited & disputed territory. Funny that.

And the US, of course, never disputed the Chinese claim over the Paracels when it was The ROC making the claim, either.

Of course China blocks Philippine efforts to put the issue before the UN, just like we've done probably 100 times wrt Israel. Duh.

What do you expect when you see invaders come to your house? Imagine "it was chinese that attacked Japanese forces first during WWII". LOL. See my link above from the BBC about Paracel and Spratly and Scarborough Shoal that china bullied and took over from Philippines.

How china took "control" parts of Spratlys, by shooting unarmed sailors and unarmed supply ship = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy2ZrFphSmc

I am sure because those unarmed sailors and that unarmed supply ship attacked china/chinese first, right? Funny that.

 

[Jhhnn]

What do you expect when you see invaders come to your house? Imagine "it was chinese that attacked Japanese forces first during WWII". LOL. See my link above from the BBC about Paracel and Spratly and Scarborough Shoal that china bullied and took over from Philippines.

How china took "control" parts of Spratlys, by shooting unarmed sailors and unarmed supply ship = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy2ZrFphSmc

I am sure because those unarmed sailors and that unarmed supply ship attacked china/chinese first, right? Funny that.

Great. A Vietnamese propaganda film. The best part is where the unarmed supply ship fires back w/ a 100mm gun.

 

[Svnla]

Great. A Vietnamese propaganda film. The best part is where the unarmed supply ship fires back w/ a 100mm gun.

Nothing about the unarmed sailors in knee deep water and being shot at? I am sure because they attacked chinese first, right?

Nothing about the BBC article link I posted above? I bet it is propaganda too, right? :whiste:

Oh, I am sure Wiki is the authority of facts, funny that. Same Wiki that almost anyone could edit and change.

The bottom line is others in the neighborhood see the aggression of china, they are arming up and getting ready just in case = http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/26/us-southchinasea-maritime-buildup-idUSKBN0OA1JD20150526

because they do not want to be another Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang. I am sure they (Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia) attacked china first, right? ROTFLMAO.

 

[Darwin333]

Great. A Vietnamese propaganda film. The best part is where the unarmed supply ship fires back w/ a 100mm gun.

That's a pretty damn big gun.

 

[SlickSnake]

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