China ready to use "non-peaceful means" against DEMOCRACY in Taiwan - Why did China get the Olympic Games again?

[Michael]

"For the same reason Canada did not let Quebec separate "

The separtists in Quebec never won the vote so it was never a matter of letting them leave.

Michael

 

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Originally posted by: Pepsei

In 1895, Japan gained control of Taiwan as a result of the first Chinese-Japanese War. The Japanese developed Taiwan's agriculture and industry and expanded its transportation networks. China regained Taiwan after World War II ended in 1945. In 1949, the Chinese Communists defeated Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist forces and took control of the mainland. Chiang moved his government to Taiwan on Dec. 8, 1949.

After WWII, the government in China at that time is still the nationalist government of ROC so technically speaking, PRC never owned Taiwan so it couldn't breakaway from something it never belong to.

I think ROC also shot itself in the foot by sticking with the one China policy.

My parents and almost all taiwanese I know of who grew in the same era had been educated in japanese, and even considered themselves japanese. This was until chinese arrived. This is not hard to understand because japan prior to WWII did a quite remarkable job in developing the island. Many Tawanese were highly educated, some were sent to Tokyo for higher education and later came back to the island and joined the process to building the island into a civilized society. When Chinese came, the cultural confrontation was a disaster. Many of the chinese were military personels. Stealing ,robbey, even rape, which caused resentments on the island. This was soon changed when the white terror started and these educated taiwanese simply disappeared after assassinations, murders.

This is a history that red chinese would not understand. You really have to be living on the island to realize that the social dynamics are totally different. The way to democracy actually started more than a hundred year ago in taiwan. If Chinese government can change their angles from being suspicious to sympathetic of taiwan's progress, they might stand a better chance of winning taiwanese' votes. However, that's not likely to happen.

 

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Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: geecee

Originally posted by: rchiu
[You are wrong. Taiwan was never part of PRC since the inception of PRC in 1949. If Taiwan was never part of PRC, how can it be a "breakaway" province?

In reality, Taiwan is an independent country. Taiwan has it's own government, economy and military. Taiwanese people have Taiwanese citizenship and live in a well-defined Taiwanese territory.

But it doesn't make a difference if there is a good justification or not when a country wants to invade another. We all see that power and tanks talk, and the victors write the history. As long as Taiwan remains an important issue for Chinese politicians, they won't take a soft stance over this. As long as China stays the most populous nation in the world with largest army, nations are gonna be take favorable position with China.

Taiwanese gotta be smart and play politics correctly to stay prosperous and free. As long as Taiwan doesn't declare outright independence or appear to be working on getting recognition, China won't do much to change the current situation. After all, you can say whatever you want about Chinese military, but if they do invade Taiwan, they risk taking high casualty in the war, destroying a prosperous Taiwanese economy, and slowing their own economy and foreign investment.

I'm assuming that you are disagreeing with Eaglekeeper? As I believe the point I was trying to make in my post agreed with yours. Taiwan is, for all intents and purposes, a independent nation. The mainland just bullies other countries into not recognizing Taiwan diplomatically, by threatening less favorable trade status/diplomatic standing with the offending nation.

Hehe, quoted the wrong reply . It's been a long day.

Anyway, yeah, Taiwan is pretty much an independent nation, except China bully everyone into not recognizing it. But I also want to point out that not having the claim doesn't mean China won't attack Taiwan if Taiwan decides to go independent. Hey, if America can invade a soverign nation based on BS WMD claim, why can't China invade Taiwan based on BS claim like Taiwan belongs to China. So the right thing to do for Taiwanese to do is play the politics and settle for the current mode.

hehh, that's pretty ironic, isn't it? Because of chinese bullying, nowaday everyone knows taiwan is an *independent* country.