China has killed or imprisoned more than a dozen CIA sources since 2010

[Sheik Yerbouti]

WT actual F
I just read about this, and the NYP seemed to be the most credible source, so take this with a grain of salt.
But damn, if true, I would think these are some very serious allegations and I am entirely unclear what could/should be done about it, if anything.
Anything we threaten the Chinese govt with will ultimately impact it's citizens, so what can we do to retaliate if the allegations play out?
Here's an excerpt from the story

One of the lost CIA operatives was shot in front of his colleagues in the courtyard of a government building — probably a message to colleagues who might also have been working for the agency.

All told, the Chinese killed or imprisoned 18 to 20 CIA sources, paper said, citing information from 10 present and former American officials.

Here's the story
http://nypost.com/2017/05/20/china-is-slowly-dismantling-americas-spy-operations/

 

[Jhhnn]

WT actual F
I just read about this, and the NYP seemed to be the most credible source, so take this with a grain of salt.
But damn, if true, I would think these are some very serious allegations and I am entirely unclear what could/should be done about it, if anything.
Anything we threaten the Chinese govt with will ultimately impact it's citizens, so what can we do to retaliate if the allegations play out?
Here's an excerpt from the story



Here's the story
http://nypost.com/2017/05/20/china-is-slowly-dismantling-americas-spy-operations/

Do about it? Get better at espionage.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Do about it? Get better at espionage.

yea, that's pretty much a given. I hope, anyway.

 

[Victorian Gray]

WT actual F
I just read about this, and the NYP seemed to be the most credible source, so take this with a grain of salt.
But damn, if true, I would think these are some very serious allegations and I am entirely unclear what could/should be done about it, if anything.
Anything we threaten the Chinese govt with will ultimately impact it's citizens, so what can we do to retaliate if the allegations play out?
Here's an excerpt from the story



Here's the story
http://nypost.com/2017/05/20/china-is-slowly-dismantling-americas-spy-operations/

That's what tends to happen to spies that are caught isn't it?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Well I was somehow assuming OUR spies were the good guys and we were taking on an evil empire, but alas, a spy is a spy and if you're caught, you tend to catch a little heat due to your 'activities'

 

[Gryz]

Well I was somehow assuming OUR spies were the good guys

One thing you should do, if you want to know the truth and understand the world: start thinking: "what if we are not the good guys" ?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Our counter terrorism, is their terrorism.

Two sides to every story.

 

[Yakk]

Good is subjective.

Spying is objective.

 

[Ajay]

Yeah, these are Chinese nationals who are assets run by CIA officers, as opposed to actual CIA employees. It's not great news, but is still serious - typically this means someone in the CIA someone in an allied spy agency has been turned.

 

[Jaskalas]

WT actual F

But damn, if true, I would think these are some very serious allegations

I'm sorry, besides the "shock" over our failures... you're not suggesting surprise that China is killing people, right?

 

[UNCjigga]

I'm more shocked and surprised that the right wing media hasn't used this failure as another opportunity to attack Obama's foreign policy record, or his cronies Susan Rice and James Clapper. Where is the manufactured outrage over Obama's America "losing" in spy games with "Gina"?? Or the accusations of a cover-up?? If this happened while Hillary Clinton was at the State Department, why hasn't she taken any heat??? Wait... Don't we need to know if she's the leak that got them killed? Was it in her emails???

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm sorry, besides the "shock" over our failures... you're not suggesting surprise that China is killing people, right?

Nope, and in hindsight, I probably didn't need to make this thread. It felt good to get away from the noise coming from the whitehouse though.

 

[soulcougher73]

Hazards of the spy world?

 

[zinfamous]

Well I was somehow assuming OUR spies were the good guys and we were taking on an evil empire, but alas, a spy is a spy and if you're caught, you tend to catch a little heat due to your 'activities'

they aren't our spies. they are informants most likely

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I think the American public is naïve -- relatively -- to "tradecraft" and the spy-game.

Take for instance the old Lee Harvey Oswald canard: "He was a communist and [later] a lone nut." The sanitization of Oswald's 201 CIA file was incomplete. A memo shows that he was "assigned to work in a counterintelligence project in the States" dated 5 days before he visited the Moscow US Embassy in preparation to return home, and it connects him to a future Watergate burglar and the man I call "Citizen X" -- Dave Phillips.

Phillips' manipulation of Oswald and the Mafia with the help of Dave Morales was likely suspected by higher-ups like Helms. But what if they "investigated" and lost control of the forthcoming information about Oswald's Russia assignment? How many more people had they infiltrated through the Iron Curtain? How many more would they want to place there? Fast forward, we have reverse situations like Anna Chapman and a dozen others. But the Russians may have nearly scored big-time with their "new Manchurian Candidate."

Speaking of which -- Traitor-Trump responded in a way we've come to expect about the possible compromise to national security arising from his little chat with Lavrov and Kislyak. He says "I never mentioned Israel" in the conversation.

So returning to the public naivete, our public schools apparently don't prepare students for cross-verifying facts and a robust application of logical inference. Or they would see this for what it is. In fact, Trump has absolutely no facility with logical inference except the flawed variety by which he makes up more fantasies of falsehood.

If there were only one possible [national] source the Russians would identify by themselves for the information Trump compromised, it wouldn't matter whether or not he said "Israel."

What an asshole. What an asshole.

 

[DarthKyrie]

One thing you should do, if you want to know the truth and understand the world: start thinking: "what if we are not the good guys" ?

This is what changed me.