China halts rare-earth shipments to US?

Kadarin

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Slashdot is reporting this now, with several links on their page:

http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/1...alting-Shipments-To-Rare-Earth-Minerals-To-US

See also:

http://www.livescience.com/technology/etc/101019-china-halts-shipments-tech-crucial-minerals.html

http://politics.slashdot.org/story/10/09/23/2035200/China-Embargos-Rare-Earth-Exports-To-Japan

http://washingtonindependent.com/10...-investigate-chinas-green-tech-trade-policies

Could this be the start of a trade war? Note also that trade wars historically can lead to shooting wars (i.e. Japan, WWII). My opinion is that it's a very bad idea to rely on China to support what's left of the US manufacturing base, as situations like this can occur and we get stuck scrambling to find alternatives. It'll be interesting to see what the future holds here.
 

sandorski

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Crap. Gonna buy the full collection of Bobble Heads from Ebay before it's too late.
 

PJABBER

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Slashdot is reporting this now, with several links on their page:

http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/1...alting-Shipments-To-Rare-Earth-Minerals-To-US

See also:

http://www.livescience.com/technology/etc/101019-china-halts-shipments-tech-crucial-minerals.html

http://politics.slashdot.org/story/10/09/23/2035200/China-Embargos-Rare-Earth-Exports-To-Japan

http://washingtonindependent.com/10...-investigate-chinas-green-tech-trade-policies

Could this be the start of a trade war? Note also that trade wars historically can lead to shooting wars (i.e. Japan, WWII). My opinion is that it's a very bad idea to rely on China to support what's left of the US manufacturing base, as situations like this can occur and we get stuck scrambling to find alternatives. It'll be interesting to see what the future holds here.

This hit the business news Tuesday and it has been one of the main topics of discussion as people are trying to figure out the significance and consequences for Europe and the United States.

One objective might be to gain whatever manufacturing requires these elements. If you want something manufactured that requires rare earth elements you have to go to China to have it made.

Another objective would be to tie a resumption of shipments to gaining favorable concessions and/or avoiding investigations into Chinese business practices and industries.

The original target was Japan, whose companies maintain some reserves. The new targeting of the US and Europe is going to have a fairly severe effect as manufacturers in these other countries have not built any sort of real stockpiles.

If they decide to keep these materials to themselves it will throw high tech manufacturing for a loop until alternate sources are developed. More likely, manufacturers will have to go back to earlier tech.

China has also been buying up all of the oil and mineral rights wherever they are available around the world. They have been paying premium prices to do so.

You are right in that this sort of control can lead to a serious trade war at best and a full blown shooting war at worst.

Isn't it interesting that they are claiming "environmental" reasons for this? How handy this excuse is now all over the world when a government wants to do whatever it wants. Maybe the next war will be our first "green" war.
 
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theeedude

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Hopefully this will remind our policy makers that strategic resource manufacturing needs to be protected.
 

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There is nothing rare about what they were shipping here and nothing we need anyway.

No news here.

Tech manufacturing is highly dependent on these raw materials.

China mines 95 percent of the world’s rare earth elements, which have broad commercial and military applications, and are vital to the manufacture of products as diverse as cellphones, large wind turbines and guided missiles.

Rare earths are used in permanent magnets, which are integral to modern electronics and green technologies. They’re in iPhones, earbuds, cell phones and hard drives. Their use is not exactly new: they were in cathode tube televisions, although they are now in flat screens too. They’re in electric automobile windows, MRI machines, and compact fluorescent bulbs. A Toyota Prius contains at least two pounds of them. Each advanced wind turbine has roughly 660 pounds of the soft silvery metal neodymium.
 

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This is a simple analysis of what the issue is -

Rare earths, explained

By David Case
Global Post

Created October 20, 2010 05:08

Analysis: How China’s got us over a barrel on rare earths, key to everything from iPods to guided missiles.

BOSTON, Mass. — Rare earths. Suddenly you can barely visit a website without banner headlines screaming seemingly apocalyptic allegations about rare earths.

Since late September, the Japanese have accused China of cutting off exports of rare earths. Prices worldwide are reportedly soaring. And now a 40 percent cut in China’s rare earth exports has “set off alarm bells in Germany [2],” according to the New York Times. The paper continued, “So great is the anxiety by the business community here that a special conference dedicated to the issue will be held next week in Berlin.”

And now it seems China will halt some of those mineral export to the United States as well.

So what exactly are rare earths? And why should we really put down our iPhones and pay attention?

First, a brief explanatory flashback: if your high school chemistry teacher was worth her salt, you may recall that rare earths are the seventeen elements that live mainly on a row beneath the rump periodic table. In one of science’s great drawn-out dramas, 19th century chemists competed in a quest to isolate these elements. Their stubbornly similar atomic properties established some chemists’ reputations, and gave the elements the (largely erroneous) reputation for being uncommon.

Here’s why you should care: By the 21st century, rare earths had become essential to global commerce. Take a look around you. There are probably plenty of things that depend on them.

Rare earths are used in permanent magnets, which are integral to modern electronics and green technologies. They’re in iPhones, earbuds, cell phones and hard drives. Their use is not exactly new: they were in cathode tube televisions, although they are now in flat screens too. They’re in electric automobile windows, MRI machines, and compact fluorescent bulbs. A Toyota Prius contains at least two pounds of them. Each advanced wind turbine has roughly 660 pounds of the soft silvery metal neodymium.

They are also used in guided missiles and other weapons systems.

As recently as the 1990s, the world had a geographically diversified supply of rare earth minerals. China produced a lot, but the United States, Brazil, India and Russia also had active mines. However, as getting rich became increasingly glorious, the Chinese smelled an opportunity.

In 1992, paramount leader Deng Xiaoping reportedly pronounced China to be the Saudi Arabia of rare earths, reflecting the geologic fact that his country is unusually rich in them. Deng also noted that, given their importance, rare earths are wildly cheap.

Shortly after Deng's comment, China ramped up production, producing highly-pure rare earth minerals and under-cutting other countries' prices. Unable to keep up, the United States ceased mining them in the mid-2000s.

At that time, China began to close the spigot on its supply — adding tariffs and slowly tightening export quotas. As the world became increasingly dependent on rare earths, China had quietly cornered the market and created a shortage. Some analysts believe that 2010 will be the first year when global demand exceeds supply.

So can’t rare earths be mined elsewhere? Maybe, but it won’t be easy. The good news is that despite what the 19th century chemists believed, most rare earths are fairly abundant. The widely-used element cerium, for example, is more common in the earth’s crust than copper. Geologists are actively seeking new mine locations and investors are opening old ones — although by some estimates, going from discovery to production takes as much as fifteen years.

That’s largely because rare earths are exceedingly difficult and messy to isolate. The ore typically contains radioactive elements, like thorium, radium and even uranium in the case of the Chinese mine. Moreover, the ore needs to be boiled in acid literally thousands of times. This renders the waste stream dangerous — which is another reason China has excelled at producing rare earths. The massive Inner Mongolia mine, on the banks of the Yellow River, is said to be an enormous toxic wound on the earth, but environmental standards in the Middle Kingdom remain lax.

China says it needs to limit its exports precisely to protect its environment. Trade lawyers say that’s bollocks: officials aren’t limiting production, just exports.

By creating scarcity, China is poised to fetch a higher price — just as Deng Xiaoping had hoped for nearly two decades earlier. Beijing also wants to lure the world’s leading electronics and clean energy companies to build production facilities in China, offering them as a carrot relatively unfettered access to the materials on the protected domestic market. This would boost China’s employment and attract new technologies that would help Beijing dominate clean technologies.

For several years, a small group of experts have been clamoring about the dangers of China’s rare earth dominance. Now, it appears their predictions have come true. The U.S. government has begun to take note. In September, the House of Representatives passed a bill promoting research and development for a domestic supply.

But the short-term solutions appear lacking. One of the most ballyhooed potential suppliers is a mine in Mountain Pass, Calif., owned by Molycorp, Inc. But the entire operation needs to be effectively rebuilt, at a cost of $500 million. At peak production, beginning in 2015 the mine is only expected to generate some 40 million pounds per year. That’s about 6 percent of the (growing) global market.

Meanwhile, multi-billion dollar swaths of the global economy are at the mercy of the Chinese. For now, manufacturers in Japan, the largest producer of permanent magnets, are relying on stockpiles of the elements, as they scramble to find new sources.

One can only hope that the German conference is a success.
 
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Yep, we sacrificed our national security at the altar of free trade.

One thing to remember though is that rare-earth metals are recyclable and easily stockpiled. With that in mind, if a major supplier cutoff the supply, it doesn't necessarily screw you over.
 

theeedude

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One thing to remember though is that rare-earth metals are recyclable and easily stockpiled. With that in mind, if a major supplier cutoff the supply, it doesn't necessarily screw you over.

It does if you want to grow. Stockpiling is a dirty word in these days of just in time inventories.
 

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Ironic that just sixteen years ago China was barred from high-tech transfers. Clinton removed all technology bars from the Red Chinese, allowing them to not only buy anything they wanted, but also to produce anything (since if there are no bars to shipping technology to China there are no bars to moving production to China.) Now China plays hardball, knowing that since Europe, Japan and the USA won't do the sort of mining required to obtain rare earth elements, China is in position to control all high tech manufacturing. Frankly I can't think of anything we can do to make them sell to us, short of perhaps refusing to make good their US bonds. Even that is likely to hurt us worse than China.

It would be hard to imagine when Nixon opened Red China that this dirt poor, backward nation would in less than half a century totally dominate the world, but it's happened. The only question now is how far the USA will sink before it recovers its way - if ever. I can't even imagine the West recovering its edge against China at this point, even if we could somehow recover the will. This is our future, China exploring space while NASA explores ways to raise Muslim nations' self-esteem.
 

theeedude

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US is bringing a knife to a gun fight. It's playing free trade with China, which is subsidizing it's producers with currency manipulation, and monopolizing essential mineral production, and then using it to force companies to relocate production to China. When is US going to realize it's getting played?
 

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Is it really that hard to reopen the mines and mine it here? I'm pretty sure we'll have a ton of this stuff somewhere in the 50 states.
 

sandorski

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US is bringing a knife to a gun fight. It's playing free trade with China, which is subsidizing it's producers with currency manipulation, and monopolizing essential mineral production, and then using it to force companies to relocate production to China. When is US going to realize it's getting played?

The US is in a very poor bargaining position. Mainly due to it's Debt owed to China. Many years ago I posted about it, but "Deficits didn't matter" so it was mostly dismissed as ridiculous.

Ultimately I think the US/West is just going to have to live with this situation, unless other Sources can be developed(which likely will happen). Until then, many things requiring these resources will need to be Manufactured in China, but given how much already is manufactured in China and the trends, much of it was probably going to be moved there anyway. :D The major concerns will certainly be with Weapon Systems, but there's probably enough Stockpile/Recyclable material for those purposes.
 

sandorski

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Is it really that hard to reopen the mines and mine it here? I'm pretty sure we'll have a ton of this stuff somewhere in the 50 states.

The main problem there seems to be Cost/Price. Anyone manufacturing in China will have a big competitive advantage due to a very Low Price of materials.
 

werepossum

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Is it really that hard to reopen the mines and mine it here? I'm pretty sure we'll have a ton of this stuff somewhere in the 50 states.

There's tons of it everywhere; Rare Earth metals are spread throughout the Earth's crust. Unfortunately it takes very extensive mining to recover it in usable quantities, and current refining techniques are extremely labor intensive and use large quantities of quite toxic materials. Since they are used in practically everything modern, our choices are to give up manufacturing beyond a sixties technology to Communist China, begin our own mining and refining (with the attendant ecological problems), or try to find another proxy to provide them for us (thereby risking the same scenario.)
 

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It's not like the stuff doesn't exist here. The only reason our production has slowed so significantly is because China doesn't pay miners shit, nor do they protect them from injury, nor do they protect their environment from the damage.

Thus it is more cost effective to get it from China.

If anything this cut in supply will send prices up to where they should be anyway, and 1st world nations will resume mining in a responsible fashion.
 

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Originally Posted by dmcowen674
There is nothing rare about what they were shipping here and nothing we need anyway.

No news here.



Tech manufacturing is highly dependent on these raw materials.

We don't do any Tech manufacturing here anymore, it's all done in Taiwan and China.

Intel is just spending $8 billion now to bring back some tech manufacturing here but it will be years before up and running.
 

Thump553

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This type of artifical squeeze happens in some commodity market every few years. Give it some time-in the free enterprise system that is the global commodity scene, market forces will eventually correct this. If the Chinese restrict their supply long enough other sources will come back on the market.

I see no reason to even consider subsidizing our domestic production to compete with near-slave conditions and wages found in Chinese mines.
 

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Paul Krugman's article about this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/18/opinion/18krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Rare and Foolish
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: October 17, 2010

Last month a Chinese trawler operating in Japanese-controlled waters collided with two vessels of Japan’s Coast Guard. Japan detained the trawler’s captain; China responded by cutting off Japan’s access to crucial raw materials.
And there was nowhere else to turn: China accounts for 97 percent of the world’s supply of rare earths, minerals that play an essential role in many high-technology products, including military equipment. Sure enough, Japan soon let the captain go.

I don’t know about you, but I find this story deeply disturbing, both for what it says about China and what it says about us. On one side, the affair highlights the fecklessness of U.S. policy makers, who did nothing while an unreliable regime acquired a stranglehold on key materials. On the other side, the incident shows a Chinese government that is dangerously trigger-happy, willing to wage economic warfare on the slightest provocation.

Some background: The rare earths are elements whose unique properties play a crucial role in applications ranging from hybrid motors to fiber optics. Until the mid-1980s the United States dominated production, but then China moved in.

“There is oil in the Middle East; there is rare earth in China,” declared Deng Xiaoping, the architect of China’s economic transformation, in 1992. Indeed, China has about a third of the world’s rare earth deposits. This relative abundance, combined with low extraction and processing costs — reflecting both low wages and weak environmental standards — allowed China’s producers to undercut the U.S. industry.

You really have to wonder why nobody raised an alarm while this was happening, if only on national security grounds. But policy makers simply stood by as the U.S. rare earth industry shut down. In at least one case, in 2003 — a time when, if you believed the Bush administration, considerations of national security governed every aspect of U.S. policy — the Chinese literally packed up all the equipment in a U.S. production facility and shipped it to China.

The result was a monopoly position exceeding the wildest dreams of Middle Eastern oil-fueled tyrants. And even before the trawler incident, China showed itself willing to exploit that monopoly to the fullest. The United Steelworkers recently filed a complaint against Chinese trade practices, stepping in where U.S. businesses fear to tread because they fear Chinese retaliation. The union put China’s imposition of export restrictions and taxes on rare earths — restrictions that give Chinese production in a number of industries an important competitive advantage — at the top of the list.

Then came the trawler event. Chinese restrictions on rare earth exports were already in violation of agreements China made before joining the World Trade Organization. But the embargo on rare earth exports to Japan was an even more blatant violation of international trade law.

Oh, and Chinese officials have not improved matters by insulting our intelligence, claiming that there was no official embargo. All of China’s rare earth exporters, they say — some of them foreign-owned — simultaneously decided to halt shipments because of their personal feelings toward Japan. Right.

So what are the lessons of the rare earth fracas?

First, and most obviously, the world needs to develop non-Chinese sources of these materials. There are extensive rare earth deposits in the United States and elsewhere. However, developing these deposits and the facilities to process the raw materials will take both time and financial support. So will a prominent alternative: “urban mining,” a k a recycling of rare earths and other materials from used electronic devices.

Second, China’s response to the trawler incident is, I’m sorry to say, further evidence that the world’s newest economic superpower isn’t prepared to assume the responsibilities that go with that status.

Major economic powers, realizing that they have an important stake in the international system, are normally very hesitant about resorting to economic warfare, even in the face of severe provocation — witness the way U.S. policy makers have agonized and temporized over what to do about China’s grossly protectionist exchange-rate policy. China, however, showed no hesitation at all about using its trade muscle to get its way in a political dispute, in clear — if denied — violation of international trade law.

Couple the rare earth story with China’s behavior on other fronts — the state subsidies that help firms gain key contracts, the pressure on foreign companies to move production to China and, above all, that exchange-rate policy — and what you have is a portrait of a rogue economic superpower, unwilling to play by the rules. And the question is what the rest of us are going to do about it.


As long as we continue buying cheap Chinese made products, they will continue to exploit whatever sector they can...in whatever way they can.

While our government may not be able to stand up to the Chinese economically, (in part because of our debt to them) we, as citizens certainly have the power to stand up to the Chinese...by refusing to buy products stamped with "Made in China" on them.
 

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Very disturbing. China is a monster that will need to be dealt with, sooner rather than later. The US is in no position to tackle the monster because we're so heavily indebted... but in the end we will have to take it on.
 

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Shortly after Deng's comment, China ramped up production, producing highly-pure rare earth minerals and under-cutting other countries' prices. Unable to keep up, the United States ceased mining them in the mid-2000s.

So this is an opportunity for those mines to reopen. China undercut the price to the point where it was not economically feasible to mine here in the U.S..... the U.S. did not run out. probably with just the mention that mining will resume... China will ease up on restrictions in supply.

China has learned a lot from Walmart apparently.