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China Boosts Military Spending

Stunt

Stunt

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China continues to invest in their military; and the western world still doesn't have accurate data on how much they are actually spending. China is poised to be the next world's superpower and it's interesting to see them following in the footsteps of United States.
China will boost military spending by 17.8 per cent this year, a spokesman for the national legislature said Sunday, continuing more than a decade of double-digit annual increases.

The 2007 budget marks an increase of $6.84 billion US over last year. With its economy booming, China has announced double-digit annual increases in military spending every year since the early 1990s.

China's 2.3-million-strong military is the world's largest. U.S. military officials believe China's total military spending may be much greater, since the announced budget does not include weapons purchases and other key items.

In the past, Beijing has spent heavily on adding submarines, jet fighters and other high-tech weapons to its arsenal, which despite its size, lags well behind those of other major nations.

Jiang Enzhu, the legislature's spokesman, said the $44.94 billion US military budget would mainly be spent on boosting wages and living allowances for members of the armed forces and on upgrading armaments "to enhance the military's ability to conduct defensive operations."

"China is committed to taking the path of peaceful development, and it pursues a defensive military posture," Jiang said. "China has neither the wherewithal or the intention to enter into an arms race with any country, and China does not and will not pose a threat to any country."

Jiang made his remarks at a news conference at the Great Hall of the People, where the legislature, formally known as the National People's Congress, will begin its 12-day session on Monday.

John Negroponte, the U.S. deputy secretary of state who was visiting Beijing on Sunday, urged China to be more open about its military buildup.

"We think it's important in our dialogue that we understand what China's plans and intentions are," said Negroponte.
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To a certain extent Chinese economic growth is being driven by US imports. And as long as our imports stay high, US China hostilities will be minimized by China. China growing by leaps and bounds does come at the costs of huge social disruption and domestic divisions. But things like a strong military is one thing that unites the Chinese people---and getting back Hong Cong united all Chinese.

Nor can past military expenditures be a guide to how far China must come to catch up with The US---because what we bought decades ago is now mostly obsolete---and China can cherry pick what new technologies to invest in. The last time the US held naval fleet maneuvers around Taiwan, China was cowed. There will come a day when its China's turn. Long term other Asian economies like Japan must decide if they will orbit the US or orbit China.

But we are just now seeing China getting ready to mount the world stage as a real military power---and now are somewhat where the USA was a century ago when Teddy Roosevelt sent the great white fleet around the world.
 
China's spending is still only 10% of the US...

And it's amusing to witness Negroponte, one of those "secrecy in the name of national security" guys browbeat the Chinese as to their intentions and capabilities... Bet they got a good laugh out of that one...
 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
China's spending is still only 10% of the US...

And it's amusing to witness Negroponte, one of those "secrecy in the name of national security" guys browbeat the Chinese as to their intentions and capabilities... Bet they got a good laugh out of that one...
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Lots of experts believe they have topped 100 billion a year in spending. That puts them at 25% of our spending levels.

 
Russia does the researching

China buys the weapons

Russia is coming out with a comparable stealth fighter soon.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
"China is committed to taking the path of peaceful development, and it pursues a defensive military posture," Jiang said. "China has neither the wherewithal or the intention to enter into an arms race with any country, and China does not and will not pose a threat to any country."
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One could argue Taiwan (even though China does not considered a separate country).
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
China's spending is still only 10% of the US...

And it's amusing to witness Negroponte, one of those "secrecy in the name of national security" guys browbeat the Chinese as to their intentions and capabilities... Bet they got a good laugh out of that one...
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Lots of experts believe they have topped 100 billion a year in spending. That puts them at 25% of our spending levels.
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Are those the same experts that said we'd be greeted with flowers in Iraq?
 
Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
China's spending is still only 10% of the US...

And it's amusing to witness Negroponte, one of those "secrecy in the name of national security" guys browbeat the Chinese as to their intentions and capabilities... Bet they got a good laugh out of that one...
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Lots of experts believe they have topped 100 billion a year in spending. That puts them at 25% of our spending levels.
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Are those the same experts that said we'd be greeted with flowers in Iraq?
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What do you gain to claim China?s military or military spending is miniature?
 
Demographically speaking, China doesn't have the right breakdown of men vs. women to be a long term superpower.

Unfortunately I loaned the book out in which I read this, but it essentially boils down to there being more men than women, which is going to result in a population peak and decline for them.
 
Originally posted by: XMan
Demographically speaking, China doesn't have the right breakdown of men vs. women to be a long term superpower.

Unfortunately I loaned the book out in which I read this, but it essentially boils down to there being more men than women, which is going to result in a population peak and decline for them.
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Population decline was their goal, hence the 1 child per family rule.
 
Let them waste them their money like that - they could do a lot more in providing for themselves if they didn't waste on it subs and jet fighters that most likely will never be used. You don't go to war with those that you trade a lot with because it snot good for business.
I don't see China pulling a Japan in trying to grab resources either (unless may oil in disputed seas) ; China is a big country - and they have plenty of resources. If anything I'd be more concerned using this weaponry on their own people who resist authoritarian rule then China using it on others. Check out BBC and how the government often short changes its citizens for its own desires of which its pockets are tied to big business.
 
Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
China's spending is still only 10% of the US...

And it's amusing to witness Negroponte, one of those "secrecy in the name of national security" guys browbeat the Chinese as to their intentions and capabilities... Bet they got a good laugh out of that one...
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Lots of experts believe they have topped 100 billion a year in spending. That puts them at 25% of our spending levels.
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Are those the same experts that said we'd be greeted with flowers in Iraq?
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Probably not. And many of our soldiers were greeted with flowers.
 
Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
China's spending is still only 10% of the US...

And it's amusing to witness Negroponte, one of those "secrecy in the name of national security" guys browbeat the Chinese as to their intentions and capabilities... Bet they got a good laugh out of that one...
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Lots of experts believe they have topped 100 billion a year in spending. That puts them at 25% of our spending levels.
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Are those the same experts that said we'd be greeted with flowers in Iraq?
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No, they're the ones who told the administration that the WMD claims were pretty much garbage, but went unheard.
 
The 21st century isn't going to be China vs the USA in some adversarial economic and military race. It's going to be China vs India.

I predict both will slowly continue to be "Americanized"... as is the whole world. Pretty much the French's worst nightmare come true.
 
Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
China's spending is still only 10% of the US...

And it's amusing to witness Negroponte, one of those "secrecy in the name of national security" guys browbeat the Chinese as to their intentions and capabilities... Bet they got a good laugh out of that one...
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Lots of experts believe they have topped 100 billion a year in spending. That puts them at 25% of our spending levels.
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Are those the same experts that said we'd be greeted with flowers in Iraq?
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No, these are generally private analysts. Not some public employee down in storage B listening to radio china for information.
 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
The 21st century isn't going to be China vs the USA in some adversarial economic and military race. It's going to be China vs India.

I predict both will slowly continue to be "Americanized"... as is the whole world. Pretty much the French's worst nightmare come true.
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France's worst nightmare? Chiraq's long term vision was for "multipolar world" where the US happens to be just one centre of power, and happens to be a view shared by China and Russia. Blundering idiot Republicans and their supporters have done more than anyone else to pave the way for this.

Congratulations.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
China's spending is still only 10% of the US...

And it's amusing to witness Negroponte, one of those "secrecy in the name of national security" guys browbeat the Chinese as to their intentions and capabilities... Bet they got a good laugh out of that one...
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Lots of experts believe they have topped 100 billion a year in spending. That puts them at 25% of our spending levels.
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Well, we haven't had a China fearmongering thread for awhile! Lets rinse and repeat eh?

For 2007 US military spending was around $535 billion. So, that would put them at a bit less then a fifth of our budget. In addition, that doesn't count the hundreds of billions of dollars that are spent on our military in ways that are not directly part of DoD's budget. Nuclear forces and the VA for example. It also does not count for our ongoing wars, etc... which eat up hundreds of billions more. So really, China's defense spending is still miniscule compared to ours. Say around 15%.

Also, China is no threat to the US. They are completely dependant on the US economy, and will do absolutely nothing to jeopardize that continuing growth. Sooooo.... fearmongering about China really isn't necessary. They want to exert some regional influence there, and no amount of spending on our part is going to prevent them from doing that.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
China's spending is still only 10% of the US...

And it's amusing to witness Negroponte, one of those "secrecy in the name of national security" guys browbeat the Chinese as to their intentions and capabilities... Bet they got a good laugh out of that one...
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Lots of experts believe they have topped 100 billion a year in spending. That puts them at 25% of our spending levels.
Click to expand...

Are those the same experts that said we'd be greeted with flowers in Iraq?
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Probably not. And many of our soldiers were greeted with flowers.
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So 'flowers' are some sort of rightwing lingo for 'IED's' i take it.
 
Let the Chinese waste their money on outdated toys. Their economy is on the way down, the U.S. is heading toward a hard landing recession... and China will not weather the storm very well since they depend so much on exports to the U.S. The Chinese consumers dont consume enough to substain current growth if the U.S. consumers tone down their buying of Chinese goods buy a great deal.
 
haha... let them waste their money on military spending and not invest it in their people, just like.... us?
 
Originally posted by: marincounty
Yes, the Chinese military budget will be $45 billion in 2007. Meanwhile the US military budget increased from $442 billion in FY2006 to $532 billion (including supplemental for Iraq and Afghanistan).

In other words the US military budget increased by $90 billion, more than double the entire Chinese military budget.No reason to panic just yet guys.



http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/200...2007-defense-budget-proposal/index.php
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Except of course that their military is over 7 times the size of ours in manpower 😉

Not that they have the ability to exert that force outside of their own borders well.
 
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