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China blames U.S. for toy scares ...

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dud

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WE are to blame!

" "In my view, no matter where those toys were sold there would be a recall, because it is highly likely they are dangerous for children.

"While we recognize that Chinese producers should be blamed for those problematic toys, what kind of responsibility should the U.S. designers and the U.S. importers take in this respect?" Li asked."


Another reason to NOT buy Chinese ...
 
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
What is his point? That we should assume every piece of crap they sell here is a busted ass piece of shit?
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If you had a company and if it was your decision to move manufacturing overseas to China, you bet your sorry ass that I would come after you if a loved one of mine got sick due to the materials used in making that product. It isn't my fault that you don't have quality control and don't do batch testing of your products to see if they make your quality standards.

 
Last week, one of their executives stated that "what do you expect, you pay so little for our products we have to cheat and use lead based paint. If you paid us more, we would make better products."

It is that type of attitude that is going to make it very difficult to trust any products stamped made in China.
 
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
What is his point? That we should assume every piece of crap they sell here is a busted ass piece of shit?
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His point is that design was bad. Design came from Amerika. Thus Amerikinsky company cannot just blame China 100%
 
Originally posted by: D1gger
Last week, one of their executives stated that "what do you expect, you pay so little for our products we have to cheat and use lead based paint. If you paid us more, we would make better products."

It is that type of attitude that is going to make it very difficult to trust any products stamped made in China.
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But that is in essence true.
 
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: D1gger
Last week, one of their executives stated that "what do you expect, you pay so little for our products we have to cheat and use lead based paint. If you paid us more, we would make better products."

It is that type of attitude that is going to make it very difficult to trust any products stamped made in China.
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But that is in essence true.
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The Chinese manufacturers should've negotiated those additional expenses in their contract, but instead they wanted to undercut their competitors. Really, I think the whole "blame it on the designer" thing is ridiculous. Prior to making these toys, shouldn't the Chinese side have their own engineers look over things and verifying that there wouldn't be design flaws down the road?

I would sure as hell spend the additional money to have my own design team look over everything before taking the job and making millions of monkey poo.
 
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
What is his point? That we should assume every piece of crap they sell here is a busted ass piece of shit?
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His point is that design was bad. Design came from Amerika. Thus Amerikinsky company cannot just blame China 100%
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It is a good point, too. American companies should accept responsibility for products that they design and sell, even if manufacturing takes place elsewhere. This, however, does not absolve the manufacturer of responsibility as well.
 
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: D1gger
Last week, one of their executives stated that "what do you expect, you pay so little for our products we have to cheat and use lead based paint. If you paid us more, we would make better products."

It is that type of attitude that is going to make it very difficult to trust any products stamped made in China.
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But that is in essence true.
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I'm assuming it IS hard for Chinese manufacturers to not cut corners. I'm assuming Chinese manufacturers already have razor thin margins, and big toy companies like Mattel expect Chinese manufacturers to be dirt cheap and really push them hard when they pay so little for their manufacturing services. If a certain manufacturer refuses to take on a job because what Mattel wants to pay them is too low, then Mattel will just find some place else who will accept their price and who is willing to cut corners to be profitable.

Mattel needs to learn that price is not everything. Of course manufacturers are not absolved from guilt as well. But if they've already entered into a contract to produce x amount at y price, and later they find they cannot maintain that y price, they're going to try to find ways around it. It's either this or go out of business trying to maintain the volume that is required of the contract.
 
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
What is his point? That we should assume every piece of crap they sell here is a busted ass piece of shit?
Click to expand...

His point is that design was bad. Design came from Amerika. Thus Amerikinsky company cannot just blame China 100%
Click to expand...

It is a good point, too. American companies should accept responsibility for products that they design and sell, even if manufacturing takes place elsewhere. This, however, does not absolve the manufacturer of responsibility as well.
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I don't think the guy denied their part, just said they are not the only ones at fault, which I agree with.
 
Originally posted by: Parasitic
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: D1gger
Last week, one of their executives stated that "what do you expect, you pay so little for our products we have to cheat and use lead based paint. If you paid us more, we would make better products."

It is that type of attitude that is going to make it very difficult to trust any products stamped made in China.
Click to expand...

But that is in essence true.
Click to expand...

The Chinese manufacturers should've negotiated those additional expenses in their contract, but instead they wanted to undercut their competitors. Really, I think the whole "blame it on the designer" thing is ridiculous. Prior to making these toys, shouldn't the Chinese side have their own engineers look over things and verifying that there wouldn't be design flaws down the road?

I would sure as hell spend the additional money to have my own design team look over everything before taking the job and making millions of monkey poo.
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I am guessing you don't know how many companies are vying for the Mattel contract. It is cuttroat out there. Made in China is not the issue, stupid design + poor QC would sink companies, including American icon such as MATTEL.

Design flaw is not OEM's issue. I'll make something yous peced, as long as it is to spec, I am not at fault. Remember, these are 2 different issues. The lead paint one is one thing, poor design is another.
 
What is kind of funny is: I just got done reading "The Bourne Identity" and "The Bourne Supremacy", which where quite a while back, and in the 2nd book, which takes place in China, there are constant references to Chinese manufactured items just breaking down for no reason. For example, the Chinese buying a scrambler for phones from Japan because if they made it themselves it wouldn't work. Then a reference to having life jackets, life rafts, and parachutes in a private airplane being a necessities since the plane may break down at any moment while air born.

I found it quite amusing.
 
Originally posted by: D1gger
Last week, one of their executives stated that "what do you expect, you pay so little for our products we have to cheat and use lead based paint. If you paid us more, we would make better products."

It is that type of attitude that is going to make it very difficult to trust any products stamped made in China.
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Already my Toshiba DVD player made in China crapped out after 4 months of use...the dealer said they have pallets of failed product going back to Toshiba weekly...I dont hold much faith for my replacement unit.
 
Originally posted by: GuideBot
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
What is his point? That we should assume every piece of crap they sell here is a busted ass piece of shit?
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Well I do!
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I always assume anything from china is a piece of shit and it takes a very well made product to convince me otherwise.
 
We got what we asked for. Companies want to make things for the lowest cost and sell it for the highest price. They just got caught doing that. If the companies really cared they would help out and make things better for the children they pay cents on the dollar to make toys. Instead of just trying to point the finger somewhere else.
 
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