Children still dying in hot cars.

[Zaap]

it's the exact same brain process, but it seems like you're unwilling to actually read up on it.

It's not the same brain process.

Making a wrong turn or going by auto-pilot to a wrong location is a simple mistake anyone might make.

Forgetting the presence of an infant while one goes about their self-centered way is the action of a narcissistic asshole, no matter what pretty ribbons and bows one wants to put on it.

But then... if we're honest probably no big surprise there might be some candidates for the later here.

 

[moonbogg]

It's not the same brain process.

Making a wrong turn or going by auto-pilot to a wrong location is a simple mistake anyone might make.

Forgetting the presence of an infant while one goes about their self-centered way is the action of a narcissistic asshole, no matter what pretty ribbons and bows one wants to put on it.

But then... if we're honest probably no big surprise there might be some candidates for the later here.

It is the same process. Your brain doesn't care about what it forgets because it already forgot. Get it? It only cares about what it remembers. People still think they have free will somehow. Must lol.

 

[nageov3t]

It's not the same brain process.

Making a wrong turn or going by auto-pilot to a wrong location is a simple mistake anyone might make.

Forgetting the presence of an infant while one goes about their self-centered way is the action of a narcissistic asshole, no matter what pretty ribbons and bows one wants to put on it.

But then... if we're honest probably no big surprise there might be some candidates for the later here.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...e0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

read and report back.

tbh, I can't think of many parents I know who have never forgetten their kid anywhere, ever... in 99% of cases, they realize immediately and there's no harm done. unfortunately, we're talking about the one in a million instances of stress and fatigue encouraging the brain to go completely on autopilot, made worse nowadays that infants are both in the rear seats and facing away from the driver so that you can't see them in the car seat.

 

[Zaap]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...e0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

read and report back.

I've read it- none of that rules out the idea that there are other issues going on- like a level of extreme self-centeredness or a forgetful disorder that would include forgetting one's own infant.

People make a big whoopty-do about this happening to people from all walks of like- but then duh. People from all walks of life can be self-centered assholes. Doesn't mean they wouldn't be sad after baking their child- it's just the act of someone who's extremely self-absorbed to go about a day of work having forgotten their infant in the car and that they were supposed to deliver that infant somewhere which would be the reason you put the infant in the car in the first place.

People don't just drive around with their infant in the car for no purpose, so for most parents, especially with a new baby, it's something of an event to put the baby in the car and take them somewhere.

To me this is like someone trying to say they "forgot" their infant was in the swimming pool, and so just walked away and let them drown. When you're a parent and you put your kid in potential life-threatening danger and you're responsible for them, just "forgetting" them midway through the event is part of some disorder. There's some other issue going on on top of whatever else. I'm sure someone HAS just walked away from a swimming pool to go la-tee-dah about their day with their infant bobbing in the middle of it, left to drown. But such person has an issue beyond just "I was tired and stressed"- although maybe that exacerbates it.

tbh, I can't think of many parents I know who have never forgetten their kid anywhere, ever... in 99% of cases, they realize immediately and there's no harm done.

Exactly, but that's just the thing. We're talking about a level of forgetting that requires significant time, enough to kill a child in a car. Momentarily forgetting, but then going "Oh, wait, where's my kid?" I don't quite view as the same thing as sitting in an office for hours, and never once during the time it takes a child to die remembering that you strapped them in the backseat and were supposed to first take them somewhere. There's a self-centered disorder or some nature there. That it isn't exactly rare, and is enhanced by other things doesn't surprise me much.

 

[MrPickins]

It's not the same brain process.

Making a wrong turn or going by auto-pilot to a wrong location is a simple mistake anyone might make.

Forgetting the presence of an infant while one goes about their self-centered way is the action of a narcissistic asshole, no matter what pretty ribbons and bows one wants to put on it.

But then... if we're honest probably no big surprise there might be some candidates for the later here.

Obviously you know better than the scientists who have spent their careers studying how memory functions. :hmm:

 

[Zaap]

Obviously you know better than the scientists who have spent their careers studying how memory functions. :hmm:

Didn't you forget not to breathe underwater?

I'm wondering what all else we can all conveniently forget about, and cite it as "Hey, it could happen to anybody!"

Opps- I forgot not to pull a gun in the bank and hand a note to the teller. Then I forgot I drove off with all that cash.

 

[Paratus]

Didn't you forget not to breathe underwater?

I'm wondering what all else we can all conveniently forget about, and cite it as "Hey, it could happen to anybody!"

Opps- I forgot not to pull a gun in the bank and hand a note to the teller. Then I forgot I drove off with all that cash.

As a super responsible always mindful never wrong person you know that doing small responsible things like leaving your laptop in the back seat to reduce the admittedly small risk of an awful thing happening to a loved one is the super responsible always mindful never wrong thing to do.

Or is admitting the small risk of a mistake to big a blow to your super never wrong ego?

 

[pcgeek11]

A smart person wouldn't... drive to work / school? These are mandates on you.

That isn't what I said. Dipshit.

I said a smart person would not drive if they are too tired or too drunk.

If you are that tired or drunk you shouldn't be going to school or work, you would be worthless anyway.

 

[pcgeek11]

it has nothing to do with being tired. my commute is 53 miles, Takes 45-50 min. been doing it every day for like 6 years
I autopilot through it very often

there has been more than one occasion where I made the same drive on a day I didn't work yet ended up at work, and it didn't click that this was wrong until I pulled into the parking lot

I guess you would fall into the stupid category then. I don't want to be insulting but why would you go to work when you are off. Jebuss

You are missing a few scoops of raisins out of your bran aren't you?

 

[Paratus]

I guess you would fall into the stupid category then. I don't want to be insulting but why would you go to work when you are off. Jebuss

You are missing a few scoops of raisins out of your bran aren't you?

Do you drive to work?

Do you think about other things while driving other than driving?

 

[shortylickens]

Do you drive to work?

Do you think about other things while driving other than driving?

I dont know about him, but every morning I walk around the outside to see if any garbage was left under the tires, or any fluids have leaked out.

I check the back seat to see if I've left anything in there which needs to be put inside the house.

I dont check anything when I get to school and leave the car.

 

[Zaap]

Or is admitting the small risk of a mistake to big a blow to your super never wrong ego?

You in the back of an ambulance... oops! The driver forgot you were there, drives home, goes to sleep, you die. File that under "small little mistakes that anyone could make!"

 

[pcgeek11]

Do you drive to work?

Do you think about other things while driving other than driving?

Yes.

Yes.

I don't however drive to work when I am off. I don't drive past my turn off because I am distracted. I don't forget I have a baby/child/dog in the car when I go somewhere.

 

[JTsyo]

I'll just leave this here to read...

http://www.reddit.com/r/nosleep/comments/19fmjf/autopilot/

That's what I first thought of, when I saw this. Good thing my kids are older now I don't have to worry about this as much.

In the last 10 years, it has happened to a dentist. A postal clerk. A social worker. A police officer. An accountant. A soldier. A paralegal. An electrician. A Protestant clergyman. A rabbinical student. A nurse. A construction worker. An assistant principal. It happened to a mental health counselor, a college professor and a pizza chef. It happened to a pediatrician. It happened to a rocket scientist.

I don't see engineer on there, so that's good.

 

[MrPickins]

Didn't you forget not to breathe underwater?

I'm wondering what all else we can all conveniently forget about, and cite it as "Hey, it could happen to anybody!"

Opps- I forgot not to pull a gun in the bank and hand a note to the teller. Then I forgot I drove off with all that cash.

If you don't see the difference between your examples and the topic we're discussing, then you haven't bothered to read and comprehend the articles that have been posted.

 

[ragom]

Parents need some brain not alarms

 

[pcgeek11]

I don't remember this ever happening when I was a young man. It must just be this younger generation IMO. Too busy with themselves to register what is going on around them. Like the people walking into pools in the mall because they are too busy with their cell phone.

 

[nageov3t]

I don't remember this ever happening when I was a young man. It must just be this younger generation IMO. Too busy with themselves to register what is going on around them. Like the people walking into pools in the mall because they are too busy with their cell phone.

when were you a young man?

as mentioned, this phenomena was pretty much non-existent until the mid 90's when safety standards were changed mandating that car seats be both in the back seat and facing away from the driver, which prevents the driver from actually seeing the infant.

 

[Matt1970]

I'll just leave this here to read...

http://www.reddit.com/r/nosleep/comments/19fmjf/autopilot/

Your kids are not a cell phone you forgot on the coffee table.

 

[brycejones]

This thread is chock full of judgmental idiots who love to deny the science behind why these events can and do occur. Amazing how many of them are also on the conservative side of the political fence and deny science in other discussions as well.

Guess it just doesn't have the right level of "truthiness" to it.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Here's some information and even though one death is one too many. Since 1998 636 children have died in cars. Considering the number of children that are driven to day care/school every year that's a very small number of incidents to the number of children who made it to their destination.

http://www.ggweather.com/heat/

STATISTICS

• Total number of U.S. heatstroke deaths of children left in cars, 2014: 30
• Total number of U.S. heatstroke deaths of children left in cars, 2013: 44
• Total number of U.S. heatstroke deaths of children left in cars, 1998-present: 636
• Average number of U.S. child heatstroke fatalities per year since 1998:38

• Circumstances
  • An examination of media reports about the 606 child vehicular heatstroke deaths for an fourteen year period (1998 through 2013) shows the following circumstances:
    • 51% - child "forgotten" by caregiver (312 Children)
    • 29% - child playing in unattended vehicle (177)
    • 18% - child intentionally left in vehicle by adult (111)
    • 1% - circumstances unknown (6)

 

[Matt1970]

This thread is chock full of judgmental idiots who love to deny the science behind why these events can and do occur. Amazing how many of them are also on the conservative side of the political fence and deny science in other discussions as well.

Guess it just doesn't have the right level of "truthiness" to it.

The people who's whole world evolves around their kids, would not forget them in a car. The science behind people forgetting their cell phones or car keys is not the same as someone forgetting their in a hot car. The autopilot mode described a few posts ago would suggest that people would instinctively just open the back door of the car even if the kid was not there.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

This thread is chock full of judgmental idiots who love to deny the science behind why these events can and do occur. Amazing how many of them are also on the conservative side of the political fence and deny science in other discussions as well.

Guess it just doesn't have the right level of "truthiness" to it.

How exactly is your judging them make you any different? Funny how the liberal side seems to think their judgements are more righteous or correct.

 

[brycejones]

How exactly is your judging them make you any different? Funny how the liberal side seems to think their judgements are more righteous or correct.

Hmm....interesting. One side actually sites evidence and the other side sticks their fingers in their ears yet you want to treat both positions as equally valid. Whatever.

 

[Paratus]

The people who's whole world evolves around their kids, would not forget them in a car. The science behind people forgetting their cell phones or car keys is not the same as someone forgetting their in a hot car. The autopilot mode described a few posts ago would suggest that people would instinctively just open the back door of the car even if the kid was not there.

Matt the science shows that it is exactly the same as forgetting your keys or phones in these circumstances.

If you have a prefrontal cortex and basal ganglia, in the right circumstances you are susceptible to forgetting in the same way as these poor folks.

In my opinion a responsible parent acknowledges the possibility while irresponsible parents deny the possibility to feel better about themselves.