Children from a gay marriage

[Texashiker]

Two lesbians have filed for divorce in Texas.

One woman says she wants joint custody and access to the child.

The mother of the child says since her partner is not the biological parent, she deserves nothing. The child was not legally adopted by the other parent.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/03/18/First-Lesbian-Divorce-Filed-in-San-Antonio

This case is being used as a tool to justify gay marriages.

Neel Lane, an attorney who represented gay Texas couples, argued that Lesh and Flood's custody situation exemplifies the need to legalize marriage, according to local press. Gay couples are "deprived of the benefits of an orderly dissolution of a marriage," Lane said. "Second, their children are denied the benefit of the many laws to protect their interests in the event of a divorce."

How is the child supposed to come from two same sex partners? There was a case in Germany where a woman claiming to be a guy wanted to be listed as the father. But this is not Germany.

100 years from now somebody is trying to trace their family history, comes to same sex parents, what now? Its not like that person will be able to trace a genetic family tree.

The mother get artificially inseminated, gives birth, are equal rights granted to both parents?

Woman has sex with a man just to get knocked up, he finds out she is knocked up and sues for parental rights, where does that leave the other parent?

If we start making people who are not biologically connected to a child pay child support, the states are going to have to rewrite the child support laws. The current laws are written in favor of the woman. Guess something will have to change when both parents are women.

 

[jhu]

Same thing could happen for a hetero couple with an adopted child. I don't see what you're trying to argue for.

 

[Jimzz]

Hey look its another texas nut job post. And surprise surprise he reads breitbart, who would have thunk it.

 

[CitizenKain]

Are you also against adoption?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Same thing could happen for a hetero couple with an adopted child. I don't see what you're trying to argue for.

or an invitro from a sperm donor. This is why we have courts to decide such matters.

 

[Texashiker]

Same thing could happen for a hetero couple with an adopted child.

Negative.

With a hetero-couple both of them are adopting the child. Both of them fill out the paperwork, both go through the adoption process.

Are you also against adoption?

No, I am not against adoption.

 

[zinfamous]

This Texashiker thread will be like all other Texashiker threads.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Plenty of hetero marriages have only one biological parent.

 

[zinfamous]

Negative.

With a hetero-couple both of them are adopting the child. Both of them fill out the paperwork, both go through the adoption process.

my siter-in-law is engaged to marry her fiance this summer.

My nephew will not be his biological son--so how is this any different if he does or does not adopt him as his legal father?

Oh, it isn't any different. You just see "gay" and get all red in the face.

Here's the thing: more puppy threads. less dumb threads.

 

[Texashiker]

my siter-in-law is engaged to marry her fiance this summer.

My nephew will not be his biological son--so how is this any different if he does or does not adopt him as his legal father?

Does your nephews father play an active role in his life?

 

[smackababy]

Does your nephews father play an active role in his life?

Does it matter? Step parents (of both gay and hetero) couples get zero rights after the marriage is dissolved. There are some cases where the step parent can fight for custody (in the event the marriage was from birth and they provided as a parent the entire time), but that is very rare and up to a court to decide.


I agree with zin: more puppy threads, less gay threads. I can only imagine what your search history must be like. It seems you find everything that has to do with gays on the internet.

 

[nageov3t]

the other parent is likely going to be SOL because they never bothered filing adoption paperwork, just as if a woman in a heterosexual marriage gave birth to another guy's kid and her husband never filed for adoption.

not really sure what this has to do with gay marriage other than TH's particular obsession over the subject.

 

[Zaap]

This thread will go well.

Not.

 

[MrPickins]

With a hetero-couple both of them are adopting the child. Both of them fill out the paperwork, both go through the adoption process.

And if gay marriage was legally recognized, so would a gay couple.

Sounds like you just proved the argument you intended to refute.

 

[lotus503]

Two lesbians have filed for divorce in Texas.

One woman says she wants joint custody and access to the child.

The mother of the child says since her partner is not the biological parent, she deserves nothing. The child was not legally adopted by the other parent.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/03/18/First-Lesbian-Divorce-Filed-in-San-Antonio

This case is being used as a tool to justify gay marriages.





How is the child supposed to come from two same sex partners? There was a case in Germany where a woman claiming to be a guy wanted to be listed as the father. But this is not Germany.

100 years from now somebody is trying to trace their family history, comes to same sex parents, what now? Its not like that person will be able to trace a genetic family tree.

The mother get artificially inseminated, gives birth, are equal rights granted to both parents?

Woman has sex with a man just to get knocked up, he finds out she is knocked up and sues for parental rights, where does that leave the other parent?

If we start making people who are not biologically connected to a child pay child support, the states are going to have to rewrite the child support laws. The current laws are written in favor of the woman. Guess something will have to change when both parents are women.

If you have a demonstrated history of providing for the child in a parental fashion regardless of biological connection you should have all of the rights of a parent.

a friend of mine took care of his girlfriends daughter for several years before a paternity test revealed he was not the father, he paid child support and had visitation until she was 18, both were court ordered.

The court is always going to look at what is in the best interest of the child. Does the child view the person as their parent? if so they likely will get custody and have obligations.

 

[Zxian]

And if gay marriage was legally recognized, so would a gay couple.

Sounds like you just proved the argument you intended to refute.

A woman in New York had to adopt her own biological child in order to allow her lesbian partner (wife? I can't remember if they were married at the time) to adopt the baby.

I'm just waiting for TH to start going on about the rights of the biological parents when it comes to gays. So many of these "social problems" already have solutions when we look at situations involving adoption, sperm donors, or surrogate parents.

 

[bradly1101]

I question Breitbart's motives. I think they're trying to foment an aversion toward gays.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart.com

 

[Texashiker]

So many of these "social problems" already have solutions when we look at situations involving adoption, sperm donors, or surrogate parents.

If so many solutions exist why are the lesbians in the opening post fighting over the child?

When my ex-wife and I divorced I was the biological father of the children, there was no denying my parental rights. There was also no denying responsibility. I have been paying child support for close to 14 years.

When two lesbians have a child, should both be listed as the parent? Or does one have to adopt? If both are to be listed as a parent, then society is going to have to redefine what it means to be a parent.

Two people are present when a child is born, one has a biological connection, the other does not. Why should that person be made responsible for the child? So a friend is helping a single mother through her delivery, she / he should be made responsible for the child?

With a father and mother there is no denying responsibility. Usually the father has to pay child support.

If we start allowing people to pick and choose when to accept responsibility and when they can deny responsibility, will that also apply to hetero-sexual couples?

Lesbian wife with no biological connect says no, I do not want to be responsible for this child, should the state allow her to just walk away? The state would not allow a biological parent to simply walk away without signing your rights away. And in a lot of cases a judge will not allow a parent to simply sign their rights away. When a parent walks away that could put the state in financial burden for welfare.

Shouldn't equal rights require equal responsibility?

Lesbian married couple, one has an affair with a man, gets knocked up, should the partner be held responsible for child support? So all three people split custody of the child? And two people are required to pay child support?

 

[zinfamous]

Does your nephews father play an active role in his life?

You mean since he (my brother) died of cancer 5 years ago?

I'd say not.

See, life throws out things you never plan. Your fairybook world of bigotry and picket fences really isn't true to life.

these laws are here to insure, intend to insure, that difficult situations are accounted for.

The only issue here is that the one woman neglected to file adoption papers. that is all. nothing more.

Gay has nothing to do with it. Get off the computer and go train your puppies to not eat the chickens.

 

[SheHateMe]

You posted a very similar story a long time ago. Instead, you were using it to justify why Gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

 

[werepossum]

There are some issues which will need to be codified for gay marriage, but this particular situation happens quite often with hetero couples where the non-biological parent has nonetheless raised the child. And as Fanatical Meat points out, sperm or egg donor cases can be exactly the same among hetero couples.

 

[Texashiker]

There are some issues which will need to be codified for gay marriage,

We can not have one set of laws for one group, and another set of laws for another group.

 

[zinfamous]

We can not have one set of laws for one group, and another set of laws for another group.

no one said that. The same set of laws for all.

 

[smackababy]

We can not have one set of laws for one group, and another set of laws for another group.

There is already one set of laws, upon which both gays and hetero couples fall under. The women in question has very little legal right to the children, unless she has been considered a parent of the child and it is in the best interest that she retains parental responsibilities of said child. We have courts that already decide this. The sexual orientation of the biological parent and the step-parent is irrelevant. Imagine, if you would, the women in this case were a man. There, problem solved; crisis averted; faux gay outrage squelched!


A person can not literally be so stupid to not understand this.

 

[soulcougher73]

Another Trollhiker thread. YAY!